Greetings,
The latest tech newsletter is ready for translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25
We will send it tomorrow, in order to give a little time for translation while still providing users with information that isn't outdated. The translations that are complete or mostly complete will be posted on the wikis in that language.
As previously discussed on this list, we adapted our schedule to send this call for translations on Saturday instead of Sunday, on the assumption that it may be easier for translators to volunteer their time on the week-end. Please let us know if that helps. We'll adapt further if necessary.
Note: These two templates appear on the page and need to be translated separately (if translations aren't already done): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Tech_header https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Tech_news_nav
Let me know if you have any questions, comments or concerns. I appreciate your help and feedback.
-- Guillaume Paumier
Thanks for alerting us a bit sooner. Well may be you created it on Saturday, but this was late and I actually got this mail on Sunday during the night, so I translated it on Sunday morning. Now we have at least 24 hours to translate them, this is still quite short, if there are not a lot of translators.
To help accelerate translations, it would be desirable to have a few fore templates for items that are present repeatedly every week (or most of them), in order to reduce the number of items to reduce or facilitate the edition.
E.g. translatable templates for
- "(bug #nnnn)", "Recent software changes", "Future software changes" (sometimes you may need to add specific sections that will need their own headings). - the generic header : "Latest *tech newshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News * from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. *Translationshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25 are available.*" (well this may change over time but it should contain stable things not intended to be present only for one week ; as this is general descriptions and instructions this should also apply to past news pages). - the generic trailer with navigation links: "*Tech newshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News prepared by tech ambassadorshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Ambassadors and posted by Global message deliveryhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery • Contributehttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute • Translatehttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25 • Get help https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech • Give feedbackhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tech/News • Unsubscribehttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors .*" (same remark).
We should then only need to translate the effective news items in these two lists of news, faster, with reduced work. (However it may complicate the delivery of the news to other wikis or to subscrived emails.)
Is there a way to transclude directly some contents from Meta-Wiki to all other wikis, in order to avoid maintaining multiple templates, or to allow local wikis to simply navigate and present these news with a local template, which may allow selecting locally between several languages, notably on multilingual wikis (like Commons), or wikis in languages that require several presentations (like Chinese) or several transliterations (like Serbian) ?
May be a Lua module could help here, if Lua modules can read contents from other wikis: it was said that Lua shoul also allow editing wiki contents, at least on the local wiki, possibly on others but but I've never tried it and don"t know if this is possible according to different wiki policies, even if all users should now have their account unified with SUL, allowing more integration and cooperation across wikis.
[Like when importing an image to Commons directly when editing an article in Wikipedia to embed this image, including from Mobile Wikipedia. Once the image is posted, its description page may be completed later on Commons, and its categorization added, but as the image is immediately used and seen in a Wikipedia article (normally with a text description below it, also posted on Commons in the source language of this wiki), thecategorisation of the image in Commons may be helped now with tools using information collected from this referencing Wikipedia article and from the description; this is a useful enhanced integration scheme between Commons and Wikipedia that facilitates the edit work for everyone].
Note that news posted on Wikimedia wiki should better be done by posting them in a template of these wikis, and the posts to talk pages should be limited to a simple ==Heading== and {{template transclusion}}.
Thanks however for adding a link in "*Translationshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25 are available*" added to the generic header, to show these translations that may be added after the notification was posted, to promote its translation if it's missing or incomplete), or for reading updated translations (fixing errors in unreviewed fast translations after the delivery of notifications).
2013/6/15 Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org
Greetings,
The latest tech newsletter is ready for translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25
We will send it tomorrow, in order to give a little time for translation while still providing users with information that isn't outdated. The translations that are complete or mostly complete will be posted on the wikis in that language.
As previously discussed on this list, we adapted our schedule to send this call for translations on Saturday instead of Sunday, on the assumption that it may be easier for translators to volunteer their time on the week-end. Please let us know if that helps. We'll adapt further if necessary.
Note: These two templates appear on the page and need to be translated separately (if translations aren't already done): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Tech_header https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Tech_news_nav
Let me know if you have any questions, comments or concerns. I appreciate your help and feedback.
-- Guillaume Paumier
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On 16 June 2013 11:31, Philippe Verdy verdy_p@wanadoo.fr wrote:
To help accelerate translations, it would be desirable to have a few fore templates for items that are present repeatedly every week (or most of them), in order to reduce the number of items to reduce or facilitate the edition.
I disagree. I took a shot translating the tech news this week. I did that in 30 minutes at 2 AM. For most of the unchanging parts I just had to click twice to use existing translation from translation memory.
I find your proposal a lot of work for little gain over using translation memory.
-Niklas
-- Niklas Laxström
Yes it took me about 30 minutes, but this is still a lot for something we need to do every weekend and most of this time is spent in fixing the formats (notably in links). This time could be divided by two, and it should be simpler to review the translations, by more volunteers, and (more importantly) in more languages. Most contributors, when thy comm on the week end will just spend not more than a couple of hours, and asking them to spend 30 minutes every week is still a lot. As these notifications as meant to be short, very synthetic, in order to be delivered more largely for awareness (even if all the inner details are not translated, many people just wen to be advised, or being linked to a source of this information within larger support discussions), the time to complete these translations should be minimized as most as possible (we have lots of other things to do, including in other Wikimedia projects, or related projects, where most tech ambassadors also have work to do and need time to do it).
2013/6/16 Niklas Laxström niklas.laxstrom@gmail.com
On 16 June 2013 11:31, Philippe Verdy verdy_p@wanadoo.fr wrote:
To help accelerate translations, it would be desirable to have a few fore templates for items that are present repeatedly every week (or most of them), in order to reduce the number of items to reduce or facilitate the edition.
I disagree. I took a shot translating the tech news this week. I did that in 30 minutes at 2 AM. For most of the unchanging parts I just had to click twice to use existing translation from translation memory.
I find your proposal a lot of work for little gain over using translation memory.
-Niklas
-- Niklas Laxström
translators-l@lists.wikimedia.org