I noticed today that the IRC Guidelines ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines) weren't translated into other languages even though they supposedly apply to all. This isn't very good practice. Do you think it should be translated?
This also applis to the #wikipedia guidelines, but it looks someone beat me to that! (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines/wikipedia) However, I'm not sure if they are done arguing on that page, so it may be best to wait a little bit before you being translating. Thanks, and looking forward to comments!
On 8/10/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed today that the IRC Guidelines (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines) weren't translated into other languages even though they supposedly apply to all.
I haven't thought it that: is it only applied for #wikipedia, substantially English channel or not?
This isn't very good practice. Do you think it should be translated?
Volunteers do, and it is not the foundation matter, so the request is not coordinated by Transcom, while it was requested as such. I rejected it for request page, it should be coordinated by the original requester.
This also applis to the #wikipedia guidelines, but it looks someone beat me to that! (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines/wikipedia) However, I'm not sure if they are done arguing on that page, so it may be best to wait a little bit before you being translating.
Thanks, and looking forward to comments!
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On 8/10/07, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/10/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed today that the IRC Guidelines (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines) weren't translated into other languages even though they supposedly apply to
all.
I haven't thought it that: is it only applied for #wikipedia, substantially English channel or not?
The main [[m:IRC guidelines]] page is supposed to apply to *all* project and *all* language channels, not just the #wikipedia one or the English-speaking ones.
This isn't very good practice. Do you think it should be translated?
Volunteers do, and it is not the foundation matter, so the request is not coordinated by Transcom, while it was requested as such. I rejected it for request page, it should be coordinated by the original requester.
Not very good practice for the writers of the guidelines or the owners' of the channels. I would not dare to say that Transcom is bad because they are not translating *everything*, they're entirely made up of volunteers and can't be expected to do it all.
But it is also up to discussion on whether it is a Foundation matter, IRC is officially unofficial, but the Foundation still owns the channels.
This also applis to the #wikipedia guidelines, but it looks someone beat
me
to that! (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines/wikipedia) However, I'm not sure if they are done arguing on that page, so it may
be
best to wait a little bit before you being translating.
This is the bit that *only* applies to #wikipedia. However, the ones of the channel say that they wish other-language users to use the channel as well. But we can't expect them to use the channel if they can't even read the rules that will be thrust upon them in the #wikipedia channel if they go there.
Thanks, and looking forward to comments!
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Thanks for your comments! :)
It wouldn't take long at all to translate, but is it really necessary? Does anyone read this page? Or are you asking for translation because this page is the "official rulebook" of the IRC channels, and as such would need translation to serve as a reference and reminder? --Maria User:Arria Belli
On 8/10/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed today that the IRC Guidelines ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines) weren't translated into other languages even though they supposedly apply to all. This isn't very good practice. Do you think it should be translated?
This also applis to the #wikipedia guidelines, but it looks someone beat me to that! (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines/wikipedia) However, I'm not sure if they are done arguing on that page, so it may be best to wait a little bit before you being translating. Thanks, and looking forward to comments!
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That's what I mean, by "not very good practice", I mean it is *very* rude for all of us to assume that people follow rules/guidelines in a language that they do not necessarily speak. The guidelines make it seem like they apply to all Wikimedia channels in all languages, thus they should be written in as many langauges as possible. And if I were asking solely for a translation, I would have just put the template on the page. I want to know what how people feel about translating the guidelins, so I posted here.
On 8/10/07, Maria Fanucchi marialadouce@gmail.com wrote:
It wouldn't take long at all to translate, but is it really necessary? Does anyone read this page? Or are you asking for translation because this page is the "official rulebook" of the IRC channels, and as such would need translation to serve as a reference and reminder? --Maria User:Arria Belli
On 8/10/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed today that the IRC Guidelines ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines ) weren't translated into other languages even though they supposedly apply to all. This isn't very good practice. Do you think it should be translated?
This also applis to the #wikipedia guidelines, but it looks someone beat me to that! ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines/wikipedia) However, I'm not sure if they are done arguing on that page, so it may be best to wait a little bit before you being translating. Thanks, and looking forward to comments!
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Hi, thank you for your reply,
On 8/11/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
That's what I mean, by "not very good practice", I mean it is *very* rude for all of us to assume that people follow rules/guidelines in a language that they do not necessarily speak.
It is reasonable per se, so I wonder why the same person think it also reasonable to put a guideline which was made only through a discussion by English speaking people to the other language people.
The case is different from the Foundation policies, like privacy policy or licensing policy, because we trust them the power and right to settle such globally applied rule. I don't think you are elected in the same manner. Or I don't think you are delegated to set such a global rules in a same manner with committees which were settled by Board resolutions and their initial membership were solely established in those resolution. I would like you to remind Communication Project Group is not a committee, and has no power to settle an official guideline based on delegation from the Board. I found no good reason therefore that you command Transcom for working to satisfy your unofficial desire.
The guidelines make it seem like they apply to all Wikimedia channels in all languages, thus they should be written in as many langauges as possible. And if I were asking solely for a translation, I would have just put the template on the page. I want to know what how people feel about translating the guidelins, so I posted here.
On 8/10/07, Maria Fanucchi marialadouce@gmail.com wrote:
It wouldn't take long at all to translate, but is it really necessary?
Does anyone read this page? Or are you asking for translation because this page is the "official rulebook" of the IRC channels, and as such would need translation to serve as a reference and reminder?
--Maria User:Arria Belli
On 8/10/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com > wrote:
I noticed today that the IRC Guidelines
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines ) weren't translated into other languages even though they supposedly apply to all. This isn't very good practice. Do you think it should be translated?
This also applis to the #wikipedia guidelines, but it looks someone beat
me to that! ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines/wikipedia) However, I'm not sure if they are done arguing on that page, so it may be best to wait a little bit before you being translating.
Thanks, and looking forward to comments!
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The CPG hasn't decided anything!
Moreover the IRC guidelines, even if they have been written in good faith (and even more if I agree with them) were (are) not accepted by everyone.
So before asking for translating it, better to be sure everybody agrees on it.
On the other, once the guidelines has been accepted by "everyone" it would be needed to be translated has it concerns all the wikimedia IRC channels.
On 11/08/07, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, thank you for your reply,
On 8/11/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
That's what I mean, by "not very good practice", I mean it is *very* rude for all of us to assume that people follow rules/guidelines in a language that they do not necessarily speak.
It is reasonable per se, so I wonder why the same person think it also reasonable to put a guideline which was made only through a discussion by English speaking people to the other language people.
The case is different from the Foundation policies, like privacy policy or licensing policy, because we trust them the power and right to settle such globally applied rule. I don't think you are elected in the same manner. Or I don't think you are delegated to set such a global rules in a same manner with committees which were settled by Board resolutions and their initial membership were solely established in those resolution. I would like you to remind Communication Project Group is not a committee, and has no power to settle an official guideline based on delegation from the Board. I found no good reason therefore that you command Transcom for working to satisfy your unofficial desire.
The guidelines make it seem like they apply to all Wikimedia channels in all languages, thus they should be written in as many langauges as possible. And if I were asking solely for a translation, I would have just put the template on the page. I want to know what how people feel about translating the guidelins, so I posted here.
On 8/10/07, Maria Fanucchi marialadouce@gmail.com wrote:
It wouldn't take long at all to translate, but is it really necessary?
Does anyone read this page? Or are you asking for translation because this page is the "official rulebook" of the IRC channels, and as such would need translation to serve as a reference and reminder?
--Maria User:Arria Belli
On 8/10/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com > wrote:
I noticed today that the IRC Guidelines
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines ) weren't translated into other languages even though they supposedly apply to all. This isn't very good practice. Do you think it should be translated?
This also applis to the #wikipedia guidelines, but it looks someone beat
me to that! ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines/wikipedia) However, I'm not sure if they are done arguing on that page, so it may be best to wait a little bit before you being translating.
Thanks, and looking forward to comments!
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I'm not asking for it to be translated, I was just asking about *if* it should be translated. And the one that I was referring to more in the present tense are not disputed by anyone (or they haven't spoken up).
On 8/11/07, Christophe Henner christophe.henner@gmail.com wrote:
The CPG hasn't decided anything!
Moreover the IRC guidelines, even if they have been written in good faith (and even more if I agree with them) were (are) not accepted by everyone.
So before asking for translating it, better to be sure everybody agrees on it.
On the other, once the guidelines has been accepted by "everyone" it would be needed to be translated has it concerns all the wikimedia IRC channels.
On 11/08/07, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, thank you for your reply,
On 8/11/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
That's what I mean, by "not very good practice", I mean it is *very*
rude
for all of us to assume that people follow rules/guidelines in a
language
that they do not necessarily speak.
It is reasonable per se, so I wonder why the same person think it also reasonable to put a guideline which was made only through a discussion by English speaking people to the other language people.
The case is different from the Foundation policies, like privacy policy or licensing policy, because we trust them the power and right to settle such globally applied rule. I don't think you are elected in the same manner. Or I don't think you are delegated to set such a global rules in a same manner with committees which were settled by Board resolutions and their initial membership were solely established in those resolution. I would like you to remind Communication Project Group is not a committee, and has no power to settle an official guideline based on delegation from the Board. I found no good reason therefore that you command Transcom for working to satisfy your unofficial desire.
The guidelines make it seem like they apply to all Wikimedia channels in all languages, thus they should be written in as many langauges as possible. And if I were asking solely
for a
translation, I would have just put the template on the page. I want
to know
what how people feel about translating the guidelins, so I posted
here.
On 8/10/07, Maria Fanucchi marialadouce@gmail.com wrote:
It wouldn't take long at all to translate, but is it really
necessary?
Does anyone read this page? Or are you asking for translation because
this
page is the "official rulebook" of the IRC channels, and as such would
need
translation to serve as a reference and reminder?
--Maria User:Arria Belli
On 8/10/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com > wrote:
I noticed today that the IRC Guidelines
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines ) weren't translated into other languages even though they supposedly apply to
all.
This isn't very good practice. Do you think it should be translated?
This also applis to the #wikipedia guidelines, but it looks
someone beat
me to that! ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines/wikipedia) However, I'm not sure if they are done arguing on that page, so it may
be
best to wait a little bit before you being translating.
Thanks, and looking forward to comments!
-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
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I'm going to reply priavtely to you right here, as a friend, because I am slightly hurt.
On 8/11/07, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, thank you for your reply,
On 8/11/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
That's what I mean, by "not very good practice", I mean it is *very*
rude
for all of us to assume that people follow rules/guidelines in a
language
that they do not necessarily speak.
It is reasonable per se, so I wonder why the same person think it also reasonable to put a guideline which was made only through a discussion by English speaking people to the other language people.
The case is different from the Foundation policies, like privacy policy or licensing policy, because we trust them the power and right to settle such globally applied rule. I don't think you are elected in the same manner. Or I don't think you are delegated to set such a global rules in a same manner with committees which were settled by Board resolutions and their initial membership were solely established in those resolution. I would like you to remind Communication Project Group is not a committee, and has no power to settle an official guideline based on delegation from the Board. I found no good reason therefore that you command Transcom for working to satisfy your unofficial desire.
The guidelines make it seem like they apply to all Wikimedia channels in all languages, thus they should be written in as many langauges as possible. And if I were asking solely
for a
translation, I would have just put the template on the page. I want to
know
what how people feel about translating the guidelins, so I posted here.
On 8/10/07, Maria Fanucchi marialadouce@gmail.com wrote:
It wouldn't take long at all to translate, but is it really necessary?
Does anyone read this page? Or are you asking for translation because
this
page is the "official rulebook" of the IRC channels, and as such would
need
translation to serve as a reference and reminder?
--Maria User:Arria Belli
On 8/10/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com > wrote:
I noticed today that the IRC Guidelines
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines ) weren't translated into other languages even though they supposedly apply to
all.
This isn't very good practice. Do you think it should be translated?
This also applis to the #wikipedia guidelines, but it looks someone
beat
me to that! ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines/wikipedia) However, I'm not sure if they are done arguing on that page, so it may
be
best to wait a little bit before you being translating.
Thanks, and looking forward to comments!
-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
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