Hi Takashi, I've removed that paragraph from the translation markup, because the strings should both already be fully-translated. (e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Wikipedia.org_updated_pag... vs https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Wikipedia.org_updated_pag... etc)

Hope that helps Quiddity

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Takashi OTA < supertakot+translators@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Could you add some more detailed description on the second paragraph, {{Int:Please-translate}}. {{Int:Feedback-thanks-title}}?

Thanks in advance,

--Takashi [[U:Takot]]

2016年7月11日(月) 23:36 Chris Koerner ckoerner@wikimedia.org:

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Hello, The portal team here at the foundation would like to make a change to the Wikipedia.org portal. [1] We want to reach as many interested contributors as possible. Could you please help translate these two pages? One is an invitation for feedback that I will send to various Village Pumps. The other is the information about the proposed change.

Preferred languages: Deutsch, Español, Français, Italiano, Nederlands, 日本語, Polska, Русский

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Wikipedia.org_updated_pag...

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia.org_updated_page_layout

As always, thank you.

[1] https://www.wikipedia.org

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Hi Philippe,

Sorry if I've tried to resolve this incorrectly.

I think I might have caused confusion, by using the example links with the "?uselang=it/de" string added to the end. I did that purely to demonstrate that the strings were already translated. The standard page will indeed display those strings in French, as you note, if the user's UI language is set to French. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Wikipedia.org_updated_pag...

Generally, I believe the purpose of including those strings in any message, is for the benefit of all the languages which do ''not'' get translated at mediawiki or meta. E.g. if there isn't a [foo-language] translation, but the message is delivered to the [foo-language] Village Pump, then local editors will at least see the "please translate" message in their own language, and thus they will be able to potentially find a local editor to translate the full message.

One alternative general solution, might be to remove the {{Int:Please-translate}} and {{Int:Feedback-thanks-title}} strings from the translatable page, whilst translation is ongoing, and then simply add them back in before sending the message to any village pumps. Does that sound preferable to everyone, as a best practice for the future?

Thanks for the suggestion about fixing the fullstop and space. Nick / Quiddity

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Philippe Verdy verdy_p@wanadoo.fr wrote:

And so you've forced the page to display Spanish on all translated pages and also independantly of user's UI language ! Wrong result !!!

You should have better removed this line completely (not needed, this is generic for all translated pages, not just this one, and we already have a languages box at top of translated page) Otherwise you could have kept the two existing "int:" resources (plus the two int:resources for the final dot and the word separation), but not part of any translation unit for this page.

2016-07-11 19:34 GMT+02:00 Nick Wilson (Quiddity) nwilson@wikimedia.org:

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Hi Takashi, I've removed that paragraph from the translation markup, because the strings should both already be fully-translated. (e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Wikipedia.org_updated_pag... vs https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Wikipedia.org_updated_pag... etc)

Hope that helps Quiddity

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Takashi OTA supertakot+translators@gmail.com wrote:

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Hi Chris,

Could you add some more detailed description on the second paragraph, {{Int:Please-translate}}. {{Int:Feedback-thanks-title}}?

Thanks in advance,

--Takashi [[U:Takot]]

2016年7月11日(月) 23:36 Chris Koerner ckoerner@wikimedia.org:

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Hello, The portal team here at the foundation would like to make a change to the Wikipedia.org portal. [1] We want to reach as many interested contributors as possible. Could you please help translate these two pages? One is an invitation for feedback that I will send to various Village Pumps. The other is the information about the proposed change.

Preferred languages: Deutsch, Español, Français, Italiano, Nederlands, 日本語, Polska, Русский

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Wikipedia.org_updated_pag...

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia.org_updated_page_layout

As always, thank you.

[1] https://www.wikipedia.org

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