I have visited Arabic Wikipedia on the 12th and today and found that the
appeal of Kartika in Arabic takes you to Lilaroja's Arabic page. I tried it
twice purging page cache and it was the same. This is the URL of the appeal
Haytham A. Hammam
"Creative & Confident"
I’m not sure if this is the right place to write about this, but there’s
something of the problem with the language detection (sorry, I don’t know
the technical terms) module of several *MediaWiki* extensions and templates,
such as the newly-released *Wikimedia Commons Upload Wizard* and... many
For example, when I go over to the Upload Wizard for testing and casual
uploading, there's a banner at the top telling me that the language was not
found and that it “defaulted back to English”.
Obviously, this would not be a problem with a speaker of *British English*,
but it could potentially be a problem in all sorts of frameworks with
someone who picked a language code like “*arz*”—*Egyptian Arabic*, which
would predictably default to English even though a *Standard Arabic* version
of the tutorial is available, which the average *arz* speaker would
definitely be more familiar with!
The problem, therefore, is how MediaWiki handles dialects as separate
languages, and if it’s not fixed now, it could be a much bigger problem as
the usability initiative affects more and more components of the website.
Could some programmer fix this? I don't have the first clue about how PHP
(sorry for the long post, by the way)
--- On Sat, 11/12/10, Eleri James <elerijms at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Are you in the UK? I was told by one of the Wikimedia UK volunteers
that they are using one of the banners which is an image, and 'Read
Now' is part of the image. So they have to make a new image using the
translation of Read Now (part of the core messages on meta at
If you are in the UK then you need to know that it appears that there
is only one Wikimedia UK volunteer who can do the work of producing
the individual images in different languages and of amending the link
from the banner so that it goes to the translated landing page (the
appeal letter and the donation interface). I don't think that this
volunteer will have the time to do these images for at least another
week, because of commitments outside of Wikipedia. You will also need
to specifically request that Wikimedia UK fixes this on your language
Wikipedia - because this is time-consuming I guess that they won't be
doing this for any language unless it is requested.
If you are not in the UK - the issue may be similar but with a
different Wikimedia chapter.
You need to mention your language, where you are and provide a link to
the landing page you get taken to if you click the banner, to get an
answer from the people who know more than I do.
I'm actually in Belarus using Belarusian Taraškievica WIkipedia
(be-x-old.wikipedia.org). The point is that pushing translated 'Read
Now' button for this banner's rollout would be much better solution.
The banner links the common landing page: http://goo.gl/2b29G.
Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas
Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects
I've just done the Italian translation.
It needs proofreading!
Italiani, date un'occhiata, non è perfetta, nessuna traduzione lo è
mai, quindi se trovate qualche cosa che può essere espressa in maniera
migliore, cambiatela. Io penso di aver localizzato abbastanza. Mi
sembra che renda l'idea originale dell'autore.
We've posted a second appeal from Jimmy for translation at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/Jimmy_appeal_2
This one is performing very well in English, but may be tricky to translate - it's idiomatic. This is probably a good time to mention again that we're looking for localization - not strict, word-for-word translation. If a phrase doesn't work, don't use it, or substitute something better. :)
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Second appeal from Jimmy" enviado em 14/12/10 17:38:23.
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For Welsh, the link from the 'donate' button in the sidebar now points to the banner still points to the Welsh version. But the link from the central banner still goes to the English landing page here
When this was last discussed (see Dec 5 postings), it was left with Joseph Seddon to fix the link from the central banner and the 'Read now' image. But unfortunately, he doesn't have the time to fix this now, so we will just have to wait until he does have the time (in a week or so, I believe) or someone else comes forward who can do it.
Have just checked yi - same situation.
--- On Sat, 11/12/10, Casey Brown <lists(a)caseybrown.org> wrote:
From: Casey Brown <lists(a)caseybrown.org>
Subject: Re: [Translators-l] Translation unuseless ?
To: "Wikimedia Translators" <translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Saturday, 11
December, 2010, 16:59
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Eleri James <elerijms(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Can anybody confirm that any non-state language has managed to get a link from a banner to an own-language page operated by a Wikimedia chapter to work in practice? It would be nice to know that it does work in practice rather than just in theory.
Hasn't this worked for both you and Redaktor with WMUK/cy and WMUK/yi already?
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Thank you, in this case I think the priority is to translate the standard messages and the standard pages.
The PMS wikipedia will be advised that is better to use the donation pages in English.
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> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:02:19 -0500
> From: Casey Brown <lists(a)caseybrown.org>
> Subject: Re: [Translators-l] Translation unuseless ?
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> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 2:57 PM, dragonot@libero. <dragonot(a)libero.it> wrote:
> > Are standard messages?
> > Are they in a translation page?
> No, they are Wikimedia Italia-specific messages, so they are not the
> standard messages and they're not on a translation page. I sent you
> the strings in my e-mail, did they go through?
> Casey Brown
I'm sorry if this has been already discussed but I don't remember.
The appeals now read "a donation of $20, €30, ¥4,000, or whatever they
can to keep Wikipedia free" (e.g.
Is this a way to encourage translators to localize currencies, or we
really want to stress that we accept donations in many currencies, or is
this meant only for the English text? Do we have stats on the effects of
different currency proposals?