Hello,

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Philippe Verdy verdy_p@wanadoo.fr wrote:

French done. I saw you had forgotten a tvar for the video link but visibly you saw it too and corrected it the same way I did within the same few seconds and saving my edit produced no diff

It seems your edit was saved and it removed all the existing translation markers: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10009782

When you marked the page for translation again, it added entirely new translation markers and undid all the existing translations done before that. See the example of the French translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10009818

Everyone: The text of the newsletter is now final. There will be no more changes; you can translate safely. No changes have been made since yesterday, so depending on when you translated the text, you may not even have anything left to translate :)

Note: the missing tags were apparently caused by both of us trying to mark the same page at the same time (when I replied initially to your message) about the mmissing tvar for the video. Visibly we were correcting it exactely the same way and at the same time, there was no conflict generated; but my edit to add the tvar flushed an invisible modification ,ade by the tool when you were also ,aring the page in the same second: both markings have collided together; but absolutely no existing French translation were missing after that.

When I marked the page I saw absolutely no edit conflict but I detected that this was your edit that was saved and not mine only by looking later in the history. Anyway this occured in the very early time were you started this thread and at that ti,e there was still NO translation (except my own French translation) and a few Japanese ones started just after this. So nothing was really lost in limbos. So all this is one of those long lasting synchronization bug of the translate tool.

Note: I really NEVER remove the special "T:id" tags (unless this is an entirely unrelated content replacing old contents or the content is fully reorganized) and get sure that this did not occur when I saved that page to add the tvar and mark it.

Sometimes I will split a single translation unit into multiple ones (notably long bulleted lists or lists whose items are a full paragraphe with co,plete sentences, or exapndable lists of items that will grow over time, such as lists of links to projects, references, "see also" sections, or multi-level list ..: I much prefer splitting the list with separate items (moving the initial bullets outside the translate unit) with the additional benefit that it hels the transaltio memory and they are much easier to edit individually in the translate interface.

2014-09-28 6:22 GMT+02:00 Philippe Verdy verdy_p@wanadoo.fr:

I have not undone anything; and when I saved and looked at the French translations they were there. It looks like it was a bug LATER in the Translate tool.

2014-09-27 11:23 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org:

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Hello,

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Philippe Verdy verdy_p@wanadoo.fr wrote:

...

French done. I saw you had forgotten a tvar for the video link but

visibly

...

you saw it too and corrected it the same way I did within the same few seconds and saving my edit produced no diff

It seems your edit was saved and it removed all the existing translation markers: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10009782

When you marked the page for translation again, it added entirely new translation markers and undid all the existing translations done before that. See the example of the French translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10009818

Everyone: The text of the newsletter is now final. There will be no more changes; you can translate safely. No changes have been made since yesterday, so depending on when you translated the text, you may not even have anything left to translate :)

-- Guillaume Paumier