Hi, It's a nice idea to have a Translation Wiki, and it may be useful in the end, we don't know. My concern is however about creating another Wiki, when there are lots already, and I would doubt if it would not add still more costs to running the organisation. We are not exactly flush with cash. Have you brought up the question at the meeting of "how to attract translators ?" 1) Text simplification (avoiding too much technical jargon and abbreviations, many of us do not know) 2) Clearly written text and brevity, and 3) Clear instruction about time scale and importance of the translation are the things I would prefer, others might have other preferences. Louis
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----- Message d'origine ---- De : Guillaume Paumier guillom.pom@gmail.com À : Wikimedia Translators translators-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Envoyé le : Dimanche, 11 Mars 2007, 21h19mn 04s Objet : Re: [Translators-l] Translation Commitee's meeting report (2007/03)
On 3/11/07, Christophe Henner christophe.henner@gmail.com wrote:
As you can read on the very first lign of this section meta. is enough for translations :)
You are the one talking about a "translation wiki".
What I'm speaking about is wider. Actually we have big communities, but what about a core Community. Are we enough volounteer? No we're not. Is it easy for volounteers to get involved? Not at all. What I'm speaking about is linking the communities.
This part is the long term part of the meeting. It's not something to do tommorrow but something we have to begin to set up.
This part was "start reflexion", and I will continue to push it forward with the recruitment of the volounteer coordinator. We need more internal communication, and meta. is not right for this, it will be easier to have a main community wiki and then guide them where they can help.
Could you just explain *once* *why* meta is not "right for this"? Meta is our central coordination wiki. Linking the communities is one of its goals. If meta fails in that, improve it, it is a wiki.
Could you just explain *once* *why* meta is not "right for this"? Meta is our central coordination wiki. Linking the communities is one of its goals. If meta fails in that, improve it, it is a wiki.
-- Guillaume Paumier [[m:User:guillom]] http://www.wikimedia.org
It was once meta. goal. Today if we want to make it more welcoming we need to change nearly everything in it's organisation. It would a *HUGE* amount of work and in the end mix coordination and information. I admit the "translation wiki" is not the good name, I say because the issue was raised on a translation meeting.
This is just to start a conversation, I'm trying to find solutions to seduce new volounteers.
Thinking about it, we can try to set the pages on test. and then modify meta. but even then it would a lot of work in reorganisating the whole metawiki.
Oh why meta is not "right for this"? Perhaps because it's a total mess? Or perhaps because when you come rarely on it, or the first time you come, you can't find the information you're looking for? It's normally his goal to coordinate volounteers and reflexions but do you think it's reachable for a newcomers?
Easy, even old contributors on project don't want go on meta. because they don't understand anything... Yes we can rebuild everything, remake main page and everything but it would take ages to do it.
If you have a easy solution to reorganise the whole wiki in order to make it more welcoming, you're more than welcom to tell me, but for the moment, as we are *just discussing* about it, I feel like setting up a new wiki with only one goal, internal communication, is the best way to do it.
We really need to get more contributors involved, I'm trying many things on local projects, but if the core wiki, meta., is not welcoming at all it become really hard to get someone involved.
Internal communication issue is a damn complicated problem, and any opinion is welcome.
The thing that saddens me is we have like 10 big communities, but we're not working together. In every community you have ideas, bots, experience ... and we're wasting it. If we had a really "Core Community Wiki" we could improve the communications between the projects, we could build bridges between the communities... right now, every projects, even with the same languages, are nearly independant... and few contributors get involved locally or within the foundation.
If we want to get them involved we need to make it easy, and it will be easier with the hiring of the Volounteer Coordinator. But in my opinion we can make it even easier with a dedicated "wiki".
It's my opinion, and you know I think yours is valuable, so I really want you to continue giving it even if we disagree :D
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