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Good idea to have such a newsletter. Bad idea to ask people to translate *after* EdwardsBot posted it in village pumps or so.
2013/5/20 Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org
Greetings,
The first edition of the Tech News newsletter was just published: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2013/21
The Tech News weekly summaries help you monitor recent and upcoming software changes likely to impact you and your fellow Wikimedians.
Please consider translating this page into your language(s), and advertising it to your fellow editorson your wiki.
We've made great efforts to keep the text short and simple to keep it understandable for non-native speakers and easier to translate.
If you aren't already, consider subscribing to get the next edition directly on your talk page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassa...
This is the first edition of a newsletter that we'll try to send on a weekly basis. This is an ambitious goal, so please consider contributing, even if it's just to add a link to a new feature or recently-fixed bug: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News
Since it's the first edition, things are not perfect and there's lot of room for improvement. Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
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Thanks!
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Hi,
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Vira Motorko vira.motorko@gmail.com wrote:
Good idea to have such a newsletter. Bad idea to ask people to translate after EdwardsBot posted it in village pumps or so.
This is true. I'll do my best to reach out to translators earlier for the next editions. EdwardsBot can only post in one language at a time, but I'll try to make it more visible that translations are available on meta.
-- Guillaume Paumier
Guillaume Paumier, 23/05/2013 14:31:
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Vira Motorko vira.motorko@gmail.com wrote:
Good idea to have such a newsletter. Bad idea to ask people to translate after EdwardsBot posted it in village pumps or so.
This is true. I'll do my best to reach out to translators earlier for the next editions. EdwardsBot can only post in one language at a time, but I'll try to make it more visible that translations are available on meta.
Is it really effective to paste such huge amounts of (English) text and HTML on village pumps etc.? Won't you just make people redirect the bot to a page nobody looks at to get rid of it? Perhaps transclusion would work better, we used it in the past: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_notifications
Nemo
Hi,
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Is it really effective to paste such huge amounts of (English) text and HTML on village pumps etc.? Won't you just make people redirect the bot to a page nobody looks at to get rid of it?
The distribution list is opt-in, and the people who signed up did so after seeing the first edition, so I'm assuming they're fine with the English text and HTML.
I thought about "just" posting a notification and linking back to the content on meta, but in my experience people prefer to get the content directly on their page (or e-mail) without having to do an extra click.
That said, I still want to keep the text short, and to reduce the use of HTML.
Perhaps transclusion would work better, we used it in the past: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_notifications
Oh, this is interesting. I didn't know about this tool. Is it still maintained?
I'm not sure I understand yet how this system works. I think what we really want in the end is either cross-wiki notifications or cross-wiki transclusion.
-- Guillaume Paumier
Guillaume Paumier, 24/05/2013 09:04:
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Is it really effective to paste such huge amounts of (English) text and HTML on village pumps etc.? Won't you just make people redirect the bot to a page nobody looks at to get rid of it?
The distribution list is opt-in,
Oh. Where/by whom was the it.quote village pump added?
and the people who signed up did so after seeing the first edition, so I'm assuming they're fine with the English text and HTML.
I thought about "just" posting a notification and linking back to the content on meta, but in my experience people prefer to get the content directly on their page (or e-mail) without having to do an extra click.
That said, I still want to keep the text short, and to reduce the use of HTML.
Perhaps transclusion would work better, we used it in the past: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_notifications
Oh, this is interesting. I didn't know about this tool. Is it still maintained?
No, it's not been used for years, but the code should still be there.
I'm not sure I understand yet how this system works. I think what we really want in the end is either cross-wiki notifications or cross-wiki transclusion.
It's very simple: text and its translations live on Meta and are sync'ed on templates (user subpages) on all projects, in the language of the project where available. When the text or translation is updated on Meta, the bot updates it on all wikis. Each wiki can decide where to place the last "issue", just by transcluding the template where they prefer: this makes it easier for it to integrate with existing pages (which have higher visibility than new ones), including local bulletins and noticeboards but also user pages and whatever; this helps reaching the average editor, who doesn't read village pumps... especially when they are flooded. Cross-wiki transclusion may happen in some decades, but this system worked well enough; its only problems were 1) difficulty of doing translations and hence limited language coverage, 2) low awareness and hence transclusion; a vicious circle that ended up killing it.
Nemo
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Oh. Where/by whom was the it.quote village pump added?
The first issue was posted to all village pumps (because it was the first), but it was posted with a note saying that it would be the only time it would be posted there unless people/communities opted in to receive future editions. I thought this was a good compromise between raising awareness about the newsletter while not flooding village pumps.
-- Guillaume Paumier
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