Translators-l September 2006

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Translation requests: some minor changes on Foundation website
by Aphaia 30 Sep '06

30 Sep '06

Hello, new requests: for editors they will be minor changes, but for the project, they will be great changes ... Since * language division of Wikisource (requests: Nl, Es) * new board member (requested: De, [Fr], Es, Ja, Ko, Nl) * newly approved sister project (Wikiversity)* (requested: Deutsch Español Suomeksi Français Italiano 日本語 한국어 Nederlands Polski Português Română Русский 中文) ** It needs to have additional input from Wikiversity community about "description" we need to update the Foundation website. You will find requests on meta [[m:TR/quick]] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/quick_translation#New_B… If you want to create your language version in this occasion, don't hesitate to start your language version at [[m:TR/WMF]] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF Next featured: News update (Wikimania 2007, etc) ... Cheers, -- Kizu Naoko Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org * vox populi, vox dei *

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Transcom core lang is being revised (and a question to Portuguese language editors)
by Aphaia 30 Sep '06

30 Sep '06

Hello translators, today I ask Portuguese language editors a question about a rumor; to what extent do you understand Spanish documents? Or to what extent can those Spanish document be substitutes of equivalent Portuguese documents? I have heard such a rumor and I would like to hear the Portuguese Wikimedian opinions. Transcom [[m:Transcom]] have been working along a frame named "core langs". It is almost a set of languages Transcom members care for primarily, assuming they may be first requirement on public relation of the Foundation. From the start (this April) it has been English, French, Spanish, Chinese and Japanese (ah it isn't because I am Japanese ... I think it no favorism ... it reflects just facts that most of Japanese are illitate in any other language than Japanese and that Japanese projects are today in a significant size ......). Lately I proposed its revision. See on meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications_subcommittees/Trans/core_langs Any suggestions & comments are welcome both here and on its talk. I hope it goes live after discussion and improvement(s). Just note, core lang doesn't mean the significance of each language per se: it works just as a short term goal of Transcom, and we Transcom are willing to revise it periodically, mainly following each language community growth and also growth of volunteering translators' pool. And my first question therefore arises here, since my evaluation (see meta please) suggests Portuguese may be considered a possible candidate to that "core lang" and it is regretfully one of languages whose translators we can find not every time. So I would like to ask you Portuguese translators: how could Spanish documents helpful for you? I heard from several Skandinavian editors that they are okay with other Skandinavian language document; a Swedish editor is okay with Norwegean document, vise versa. I would like to know whether the helpfulness of Spanish documents to Portuguese language editors is so strong as Skandinavian languages to those editors or much weaker. And if Portuguese language community need to have Foundation related documents in their own langauge, beware, you Portuguese language translators will be stalked by Transcom members ... <g> and some other language (perhaps Russian according to the current proposal) will be less suffered by such ostinate contacts from Transcom, just because of the limitation of human resources on the coordinators' side. Your suggestion, opinion, further question and any other input will be welcome. Cheers, -- Kizu Naoko Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org * vox populi, vox dei *

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Re: [Translators-l] [Foundation-l] Asturian page for Donations is in Spanish
by Aphaia 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Just fact-checking. After I read this inquiry, I moved the latest version on meta to the foundation website. Of course, I am not sure if it is the best version, as non-Spanish speaker, however, it seemed more Asturian ... And anyway, translation isn't going on the foundation website, but on meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMFnews For fundraising pages, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF/Fundraising_pages As Titoxd supposed, the first two versions of "Asturian"-oriented are indeed Spanish. A native Spanish edited those versions, supposedly from the reason of closer familiarity between Spanish and Asturian. Later a ast-3/es-n editor made correction, and that version was what I moved to, and what you see on the website. Has any editor recommendation for fixing that? He or she can start his work immediately at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF/Fundraising_pages/D… Cheers, On 9/27/06, Titoxd@Wikimedia <titoxd.wikimedia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > No, that could be Asturian (I don't know it, so I cannot confirm that)... > albeit the rest of page is in perfect Spanish, which I do speak natively. > Reading the page in more detail, only the tagline is translated, as well as > a few other words, such as "ye" after "La Fundación Wikimedia", but entire > sections of text are not. > > However, I do believe that the reason could be that the translators were > translating the Spanish page to Asturian, as you suggested. This diff does > suggest that: > http://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Donativos&diff=next&oldid=1 > 3719. Considering, though, that the translation edit was made only today, I > guess that we can cut them some slack... ;) > > Titoxd. > > -----Original Message----- > From: foundation-l-bounces(a)wikimedia.org > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Damian Finol > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:44 PM > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Asturian page for Donations is in Spanish > > Titoxd@Wikimedia wrote: > > Yep, that's clearly Spanish. Unfortunately, I don't know Asturian to be > able > > to translate it appropriately... > > > > Titoxd. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: foundation-l-bounces(a)wikimedia.org > > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Leonard > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:05 AM > > To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org > > Subject: [Foundation-l] Asturian page for Donations is in Spanish > > > > OTRS just got a notice about this - the Asturian page linked from the > > Donations page (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donativos) has > > identical text to the Spanish page > > (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donaciones), and my untrained eye > > says that the text is in Spanish. > > > > - Andrew > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > Hello, > > Yes, it's in spanish, albeit a weird spanish 'Formes de donar' instead > of 'Formas de donar' and "Imaxina un mundu nel cual cada persona tien > accesu gratuitu a la suma de too'l conocimientu humanu. Eso ye lo que > tratamos de facer." > > Maybe they are using the Spanish Donation page because it's easier to > translate from spanish to asturian. > > Regards, > > Ing. Damian Finol > Maracaibo -Venezuela > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Kizu Naoko Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org * vox populi, vox dei *

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Translating wikipedia articles using OmegaT - Q&A chat
by Sabine Cretella 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Hi, sorry again for one of those unpersonal mails. And sorry for some typos - I am not re-reading the mail and my "r"-key still creates problems. I will crosspost this mail to several mailing lists that could be interested as well, so you won't see the single recipients. From your answers I noted that being in different time zones and having different requirements we probably will not make it to do a real OmegaT-course online - some also don't have Skype. So I will be online for sure tomorrow morning from 07:00-09:00 UTC and on Thursday from 07:00-09:00 UTC (corresponds to 09:00-11:00 Italian time). I very likely will not be here on Friday morning. Anyway I am online normally every morning in the mentioned hours as well as in the evening. I'll try to create a schedule I update on a daily basis so that you can see when you can find me. Therefore we will do it in a Q&A style in IRC on irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-translation I chose the #wikimedia-translation channel, because it is about translating Wikipedia articles. The how-to material will be online by tomorrow morning - so I'll give you the link to the various pages during the Q&A. Don't panic if you cannot be online tomorow morning for this: since the poject will last for some time you will find me online for questions whenever I am at the computer - and that is quite many hours of the day. Download OmegaT: Version 1.6 RC10 - including Java for Windows: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/omegat/OmegaT_and_JRE_Win_1.6.0_RC10.zip… (you don't need to care about the installation of Java on your computer or about updating it) Version 1.6 RC10 - including Java for Linux: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/omegat/OmegaT_and_JRE_Lin_1.6.0_RC10.tar… (you don't need to care about the installation of Java on your computer or about updating it) Version 1.6 RC10 without Java: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/omegat/OmegaT_1.6.0_RC10.zip?download (here you need to have an updated Java version on your computer - this works both for Windows and for Linux and OSX) Most of the people adhering to this project will use Windows - so I am going to work with only Windows during the next days. Access to the Chat-channel: you can do this in various ways. If you already have a chat-software installed (for example Chatzilla for firefox) you simply connect to the channel like you do with othe channels. If you don't have such software and would like to avoid doing tests here and there now: there is also a web interface where you can access to the channel - I tested it with Firefox and Internet Explorer - both work fine. Go to the URL: http://www.bitshuffle.org/cgiirc/ As for "Nickname: " choose a name for youself and overwrite the contents of the box As for "Server:" please subsitute the contents with: irc.freenode.net As for "Channel:" please substitute the contents with: #wikimedia-translation Then click on login. It can take a minute or so to really access the channel. Now to the sample text we will use: Please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OmegaT Click on edit Select the whole of the contents copy it (ctrl+c) and paste it in an empty .txt file - save the file with UTF-8 (the windows editor is great for doing that) From there: we will see from tomorrow on in the chat. The how to's will be online here: http://wordsandmore.org/index.php?title=Wordsandmore:Persian_wikipedia_cont… Actually there is the WikiRead-WikiWrite feature for OmegaT being programmed - so as soon as we have this it will be introduced. For now most files will reach you as .txt files (even if this means more organisational work). The way of doing things like above would be the actual way to go, but I don't want people, who are new to wiki and OmegaT to learn too many things at once - it could create more poblems than doing good. During the next days the texts to be tanslated will be prepared and I will start to distribute them among the included translators. You will see a schedule for each involved translator online so that you also will be able to see from there who is going to do what and when. The links will be added to the project page where you also find the how to's. The Chat-logs will be made available as well through the main project page. What else: I suppose not much more right now. Well if you feel this can be interesting for other people: just tell them :-) Meet you in the chat then :-) Cheers, Sabine ***** Sabine Cretella s.cretella(a)wordsandmore.it skype: sabinecretella IRC channels where you can find me: irc://irc.freenode.net/wiktionaryz irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-translation irc://irc.freenode.net/omegat Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com

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Translating wikipedia articles using OmegaT - Q&A chat
by Sabine Cretella 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Hi, sorry again for one of those unpersonal mails. And sorry for some typos - I am not re-reading the mail and my "r"-key still creates problems. I will crosspost this mail to several mailing lists that could be interested as well, so you won't see the single recipients. From your answers I noted that being in different time zones and having different requirements we probably will not make it to do a real OmegaT-course online - some also don't have Skype. So I will be online for sure tomorrow morning from 07:00-09:00 UTC and on Thursday from 07:00-09:00 UTC (corresponds to 09:00-11:00 Italian time). I very likely will not be here on Friday morning. Anyway I am online normally every morning in the mentioned hours as well as in the evening. I'll try to create a schedule I update on a daily basis so that you can see when you can find me. Therefore we will do it in a Q&A style in IRC on irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-translation I chose the #wikimedia-translation channel, because it is about translating Wikipedia articles. The how-to material will be online by tomorrow morning - so I'll give you the link to the various pages during the Q&A. Don't panic if you cannot be online tomorow morning for this: since the poject will last for some time you will find me online for questions whenever I am at the computer - and that is quite many hours of the day. Download OmegaT: Version 1.6 RC10 - including Java for Windows: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/omegat/OmegaT_and_JRE_Win_1.6.0_RC10.zip… (you don't need to care about the installation of Java on your computer or about updating it) Version 1.6 RC10 - including Java for Linux: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/omegat/OmegaT_and_JRE_Lin_1.6.0_RC10.tar… (you don't need to care about the installation of Java on your computer or about updating it) Version 1.6 RC10 without Java: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/omegat/OmegaT_1.6.0_RC10.zip?download (here you need to have an updated Java version on your computer - this works both for Windows and for Linux and OSX) Most of the people adhering to this project will use Windows - so I am going to work with only Windows during the next days. Access to the Chat-channel: you can do this in various ways. If you already have a chat-software installed (for example Chatzilla for firefox) you simply connect to the channel like you do with othe channels. If you don't have such software and would like to avoid doing tests here and there now: there is also a web interface where you can access to the channel - I tested it with Firefox and Internet Explorer - both work fine. Go to the URL: http://www.bitshuffle.org/cgiirc/ As for "Nickname: " choose a name for youself and overwrite the contents of the box As for "Server:" please subsitute the contents with: irc.freenode.net As for "Channel:" please substitute the contents with: #wikimedia-translation Then click on login. It can take a minute or so to really access the channel. Now to the sample text we will use: Please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OmegaT Click on edit Select the whole of the contents copy it (ctrl+c) and paste it in an empty .txt file - save the file with UTF-8 (the windows editor is great for doing that) From there: we will see from tomorrow on in the chat. The how to's will be online here: http://wordsandmore.org/index.php?title=Wordsandmore:Persian_wikipedia_cont… Actually there is the WikiRead-WikiWrite feature for OmegaT being programmed - so as soon as we have this it will be introduced. For now most files will reach you as .txt files (even if this means more organisational work). The way of doing things like above would be the actual way to go, but I don't want people, who are new to wiki and OmegaT to learn too many things at once - it could create more poblems than doing good. During the next days the texts to be tanslated will be prepared and I will start to distribute them among the included translators. You will see a schedule for each involved translator online so that you also will be able to see from there who is going to do what and when. The links will be added to the project page where you also find the how to's. The Chat-logs will be made available as well through the main project page. What else: I suppose not much more right now. Well if you feel this can be interesting for other people: just tell them :-) Meet you in the chat then :-) Cheers, Sabine ***** Sabine Cretella s.cretella(a)wordsandmore.it skype: sabinecretella IRC channels where you can find me: irc://irc.freenode.net/wiktionaryz irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-translation irc://irc.freenode.net/omegat ___________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: chiama da PC a telefono a tariffe esclusive http://it.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: [Translators-l] [Foundation-l] Taipei chosen to host Wikimania 2007
by Angela 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

> It was almost certain that a decent bid from Asia would be successful. No it wasn't and I wish people didn't have this misconception. All of the bids were considered against a range of criteria, not only location. Amongst many other factors, Taipei offered the venue and accommodation on a single site, and their organizing team had prior experience from running the Chinese Wikimania this year. It's unfair to them to suggest they only won because they're in Asia. If Asia was a sure winner from the start, we wouldn't have needed a meeting lasting more than 4 hours on Saturday to determine which city would be successful. A few people seem to think that the others were rejected purely for being in Europe, but that was not the case, and we would have said from the start if we were only accepting bids from other continents so as not to waste people's time. Angela.

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Taipei chosen to host Wikimania 2007
by phoebe ayers 24 Sep '06

24 Sep '06

The Wikimania jury has met and are pleased to announce that Wikimania 2007 will be held in Taipei, Taiwan. Taipei had the winning combination of a dedicated and experienced bidding team, a great venue with centralized accomodation and community areas, and strong sponsorship opportunities. Taipei also provides the opportunity to focus attention on the growing Asian language projects and the international aspect of the Wikimedia Foundation, as well as learning about other free knowledge efforts and projects in the region. This was a very difficult decision. Every one of the shortlisted bids this year were outstanding. The Turin bid came in a close second; their team made a great effort to procure two strong locations and extensive government support, and gathered the Italian community together to develop an outstanding bid. Alexandria deserves recognition for bringing the Egyptian and Arabic-language community into the spotlight, and for finding a remarkable venue partner in the Library of Alexandria. London also produced a very strong bid, with a great venue, focus on educational outreach, the diversity of London, and the strong Wikimedia UK team. Thank you to all of the bidders, including those who did not make the shortlist, for your time and energy in developing these bids. We hope this year's city teams will find ways to build on the contacts and sponsors developed in the bid process for a 2008 bid or for hosting a regional event. We strongly encourage all who bid this year, and those of you wondering whether your city could have done the same, to consider preparing city bids for Wikimania in 2008 or 2009. Unofficial bids for 2008 should be started now, as the decision on that city will be made this winter (more details on 2008's bid process coming soon; watch http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Bids for updates). Now the work for the winners will begin, as they develop plans for the conference next summer. We encourage the entire community to support Taipei over the coming year in producing an outstanding conference. With thanks, The 2007 Wikimania bid jury

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Fwd: [Foundation-l] Some news from the German Wikisource
by Delphine Ménard 23 Sep '06

23 Sep '06

As usual...translate and forward. Thanks so much for all the good work. best, Delphine ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Frank Schulenburg <frank.schulenburg(a)gmail.com> Date: Sep 17, 2006 8:32 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Some news from the German Wikisource To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org Hello all, since the beginning of 2006 the German Wikisource is evolving in a very positive way and I would like to share some news with you. == Digitization of a precious 16th-century handwritten mathematical schoolbook == In may 2006 Wikimedia Germany (the "Verein") financed the digitizing of a handwritten mathematical schoolbook called "Drei Register Arithmetischer ahnfeng zur Practic". The precious 16th-century manuscript has been scanned at the Center for Retrospective Digitization of the Lower Saxony State and University Library in Goettingen. Today about a quarter of the 210 pages has been transcribed and annotated in the German Wikisource. Actually a project in the German Wikiversity is dealing with the analysis of the book. * http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Pressemitteilungen/Rechenbuchproje… (press report) * http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Drei_Register_Arithmetischer_ahnfeng_zur_Prac… (example page) * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Drei_Register_Arithmetischer_ahnfen… (the new DjVu-extension on Commons) * http://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/A_und_B_haltten_einen_Stich_umb_Pley_und_Pap… (example from the project in the german Wikiversity) == Third volume of the "Zimmerische Chronik" transcribed == At the beginning of September 2006 the third volume of the so called "Zimmerische Chronik" (a chronicle written by count Froben Christoph von Zimmern in the 16th century and published 1881 by the german historian Karl August Barack) had been transcribed. The transcription of the 4-volume work is one of the biggest projects in the German Wikisource. The e-text-edition was initiated by a historian of the University of Freiburg im Breisgau, who actually acts as a scientific advisor for the project. * http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Zimmerische_Chronik == First publication of a handwritten letter of Fredrick Accum == Today German Wikisource announces the first publication of a handwritten letter of the german chemist Fredrick Accum to his brother Philip (April 26th 1816). Accum emigrated to London in 1793 and became professor of chemistry and mineralogy at the Surrey Institute around 1803. Fredrick Accum, who is largely forgotten today, is one of the pioneers of the commercial production of coal gas for gas lighting. In his letter he gives a lively picture of the economic condition in London after the end of the napoleonic wars. * http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Brief_Friedrich_Accums_an_seinen_Bruder_vom_2… * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Accum To faciliate the work of the german Wikisource community in the future, the german "Verein" provided a budget of 1.500 EUR (about 1.900 USD) for the digitizing of old books and manuscripts. The members of the community themselves will decide conjointly how to spend this money on new projects. Greetings, Frank Schulenburg Board member of Wikimedia Germany Phone +49 (0)551 2726447 Frank.Schulenburg [at] wikimedia.de _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- ~notafish

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[meta] TR subpages overhaul
by Aphaia 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

Hello There are some theme-specified translation request (TR) pages on meta. They were created in this February. They are including: - TR/Announcement http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/Annoucement - TR/Policy http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/Policy - TR/Reports http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/Reports Since they seemed to be outdate, I commented them out in a certain moment. Perhaps in this July. So you may have not been aware of them. I have questions on those three pages; I would like to know 1) who watches those page / visits them regularly 2) who thinks them useful 3) who are interested in maintaining those pages (currently none in my assumption). They are list pages which one has to edit automatically, not automatically generated (e.g. on Wikinews). I am afraid we have no automatic generated list feature (DynamicPageList?) on meta. And each requests are not categorized by their theme. Personally I find it useful for certain people (but not me, since I), and myself not to have enough time to update them. I think poorly maintained pages are not helpful and we are better to archive or delete them. As usual, I welcome anyone who is willing to maintain one or more of those pages and if my third question is answered by such a devoting one, I have no reason to request their deletion. On the other hand, if no one is interested in their maintenance, I would go to request for deleting them even if there are some people who are watching those pages. Not updating request pages is meaningless, or in a worse case, harmful because of potential cause of disinformation in my opinion. If no one shows interest in their maintenance in one week, I think I would like to bring them to Request for Deletion. On TR/materials, I am not sure currently ... perhaps it makes a sense to move TR/WSIS to that page. Or not. I asked Elian who are engaging promotion if she had any idea about that. I will be happy to her your opinion on this list, too. Your comments will be welcomed, as always. Cheers, -- Kizu Naoko Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org * vox populi, vox dei *

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Fwd: [Foundation-l] Reviewed and Unvandalized Versions
by Delphine Ménard 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

Hi translators, It would be grand if this could be translated and sent to as many language lists as possible. Thank you! Delphine (originally sent to Foundation-l. P. Birken is member of the board of Wikimedia Deutschland) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: P. Birken <pbirken(a)gmail.com> Date: Sep 17, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Reviewed and Unvandalized Versions To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org Hi List, Délphine told me that the news about stable versions has led to discussions in several projects. As the discussion on the germanlanguage Wikipedia are, well, in german, here is some short information in english about all this. When Jimbo visited Germany in June, me and other members of the german community approached him about stable versions. After some discussion, he decided that it would be good to finally start with stable versions and, as this is a very fundamental change, to use one project as a testing ground before starting this everywhere. As you know, we are the lucky ones ;-) A few parameters were agreed upon, namely that it should be kept simple, in particular that what version is marked and what is not, should not be the result of some voting process and that we need to seperate two issues of stable versions: fighting vandalism and controlling the factual accuracy. Thus, a concept was then worked out, based on the discussions on meta, en and de and Brion was assigned with implementing it, which he is still busy with and it will still be some months before this actually goes life. A first decision was not to call this stable versions, as this is a term where everybody understands something different. Therefore, the following are the concepts: i) Unvandalized versions (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gesichtete Versionen). An unvandalized version is a version of an article that has not been vandalized. The right to flag a version like this is given to accounts by an automatic process, based on the number of edits and the time passed since account creation. We will start the test with 30 edits/30 days. Versions can be flagged similar to the small changes mark with some features to make life easy, like automatic marking of articles newly created by users with this right. ii) Reviewed versions (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Geprüfte_Versionen). The meaning of this version is that the article contains no factual errors and that there are no misleading omissions, while not requiring any other form of completeness. The right to flag an article like this is given by a bureaucrat. This flag can also be removed again and the same version may be flagged by multiple users. We agree that the reviewers should come from an active portal in the wikipedia. The discussion on qualifications from within the wikipedia respectively from outside the wikipedia is going on. The notion of outside experts is also discussed. iii) Who sees what? Nothing is changed for logged in users. IPs see the latest reviewed or unvandalized versions, meaning that the reviewed version has no priority over an unvandalized version. If the version the IP sees is not the current one, a warning is shown with links to the current version. If no version of the article was ever flagged, a warning is shown. Note that this point is subject to MediaWiki settings, meaning that if in your project/wiki, this sounds like a contraproductive idea, you can turn it off, which is important for example in young wikipedias. Sincerely yours, de:P. Birken _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- ~notafish

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