Ready for translation: Tech News #42 (201) - Translators-l

Johan Jönsson

11 Oct 11 Oct

2:29 p.m.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 8:28 PM Johan Jönsson <jjonsson(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

The latest tech newsletter is ready for early translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2019/42 Be warned that we're currently seeing this problem: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235027 Direct translation link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=pa… I plan to send the newsletter on Monday afternoon (UTC), i.e. Monday morning PT. The existing translations will be posted on the wikis in that language. Deadlines: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/For_contributors#The_deadlines There may be a more edits by Friday but the existing content should generally remain fairly stable. I will let you know on Friday in any case. Let us know if you have any questions, comments or concerns. As always, we appreciate your help and feedback. (If you haven't translated Tech News previously, see this email: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2017-January/003773.html If I can help you with anything, please ask!)

The text of the newsletter is now final. One new item was added shortly after yesterday's email. There won't be any more changes; you can translate safely. Regarding https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235027: There's a simple workaround: once you're done translating, just go back and edit the existing translation, e.g. add a space to the translated title. That'll create the page and make your translation show up in the language bar. I've added this to the translation documentation (above the suggested translations) and, as far as I can tell, hunted down all existing translations and made sure they appear. (: I'll make a new round to find translations that haven't appeared before I send this out on Monday, if the bug hasn't been fixed by then. //Johan Jönsson --

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Sylvain Chiron

13 Oct 13 Oct

11:57 p.m.

New subject: The translation system is buggy

Hello, It seems that the Translate extension in its current state on MediaWiki.org is very buggy. As I’ve finished to translate the Phase 2 report of the Talk pages consultation [1], I see that some messages are replaced by others. Look there: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Translations:Talk_pages_consult… You can see in the history that I’ve translated ‘German Wikipedia’ to ‘Wikipédia en allemand’. But if you look at the content (click on the date or on the ‘Translations’ tab), you will see that it contains ‘[fr]’, which is the placeholder that I use to mark as translated the English translations of French quotations in the report. ‘[fr]’ uses only 4 bytes, but the history shows ‘22 bytes’ which corresponds to the case of ‘Wikipédia en allemand’ which is made of: 20 1-byte characters + 1 2-byte char = 20 × 1 + 1 × 2 = 22 bytes (The character ‘é’ uses 2 bytes when you use the common UTF-8 encoding.) Translators, take care not to work too much these days, or your good work might be corrupted — :(… A storm has touched our dear software which worked so well before. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_2_report/… Regards, -- Sylvain Chiron

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Johan Jönsson

5:17 p.m.

New subject: The translation system is buggy

For those of you not following the tasks on Phabricator, there are fixes going out with this week's train (at the latest) that will hopefully solve the issues. Thanks for reporting and giving information in Phab, folks. //Johan Jönsson -- On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 8:49 AM Niklas Laxström <niklas.laxstrom(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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This issue is tracked in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235188 There is also a separate problem tracked in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235027 -Niklas ma 14. lokak. 2019 klo 2.57 Sylvain Chiron (chironsylvain(a)orange.fr) kirjoitti:

Hello, It seems that the Translate extension in its current state on MediaWiki.org is very buggy. As I’ve finished to translate the Phase 2 report of the Talk pages consultation [1], I see that some messages are replaced by others. Look there: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Translations:Talk_pages_consult… You can see in the history that I’ve translated ‘German Wikipedia’ to ‘Wikipédia en allemand’. But if you look at the content (click on the date or on the ‘Translations’ tab), you will see that it contains ‘[fr]’, which is the placeholder that I use to mark as translated the English translations of French quotations in the report. ‘[fr]’ uses only 4 bytes, but the history shows ‘22 bytes’ which corresponds to the case of ‘Wikipédia en allemand’ which is made of: 20 1-byte characters + 1 2-byte char = 20 × 1 + 1 × 2 = 22 bytes (The character ‘é’ uses 2 bytes when you use the common UTF-8 encoding.) Translators, take care not to work too much these days, or your good work might be corrupted — :(… A storm has touched our dear software which worked so well before. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_2_report/… Regards, -- Sylvain Chiron _______________________________________________ Translators-l mailing list Translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l

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Johan Jönsson

14 Oct 14 Oct

6:11 p.m.

I'll send this out to the wikis in a couple of hours. I've gone through the logs and added translations that didn't show up. If your translation still isn't showing in the language list, just going to the translations, adding and removing a space and then saving it should do it, or ping me and I'll take a look at it and figure it out. Thank you for your work and patience. I am, as always, counting myself fortunate to get to do this together with you. //Johan Jönsson -- On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 1:00 AM Sylvain Chiron <chironsylvain(a)orange.fr> wrote:

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Hello, Le 11/10/2019 à 16:29, Johan Jönsson a écrit :

Regarding https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235027: There's a simple workaround: once you're done translating, just go back and edit the existing translation, e.g. add a space to the translated title.

You can add then remove this space, to avoid modifying your text. This will enable the button and does the work too. It looks like it’s due to a desire to have less edits of translated versions of the pages, causing many translations (preferably by a single translator, so that the names are visible in the history) being published as a single edit, but it doesn’t work yet? Shouldn’t such an important thing be listed in the Tech News? Regards, -- Sylvain Chiron _______________________________________________ Translators-l mailing list Translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l

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