Hi all,
The translation committee has been dormant for some time (individual members have been active, but the committee as such has not been active), but it is time to revive it to ensure that the translation process on Meta is viable. As several members of the committee are currently busy with other things, and because it would be nice to have several more members in the committee so that it will function well even when some members are inactive.
Therefore, this is a call for volunteers to serve on the committee. If you have any experience with handling translations on Meta, Translatewiki or anywhere else you are welcome to join. In fact, you don't need much more experience than with translating stuff – the new system and tools we have available on Meta make the process of managing translation much easier than it has been in the past (and if you don't know how to do that yet, we will give you training).
If you are interested in becoming a part of this committee, please send us an e-mail either on this list, to the transcom list ( transcom@lists.wikimedia.org), or to me (jsoby@wikimedia.org).
Hello, I don't understand what the transcom is going to do. Fundraising stuff and other inefficient WMF tasks (if any) should be done by the WMF itself now. Translate extension stuff should be handled by whoever is/wants to be translation admin as a Meta-Wiki process. The main task of the Transcom seems to be moving the old translations to the new system and fix all broken old translation requests but you imply that this will not be one of its tasks (otherwise they'd need to know the old system). In short, we should work on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Translate_extension and make sure that Meta actually uses the Translate extension (currently only a fraction of the wiki uses it and it's a huge mess, worsened by the murder of [[TR]]).
Nemo
2012/7/19 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
Hello, I don't understand what the transcom is going to do. Fundraising stuff and other inefficient WMF tasks (if any) should be done by the WMF itself now. Translate extension stuff should be handled by whoever is/wants to be translation admin as a Meta-Wiki process. The main task of the Transcom seems to be moving the old translations to the new system and fix all broken old translation requests but you imply that this will not be one of its tasks (otherwise they'd need to know the old system). In short, we should work on <https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/Meta:Translate_extensionhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Translate_extension> and make sure that Meta actually uses the Translate extension (currently only a fraction of the wiki uses it and it's a huge mess, worsened by the murder of [[TR]]).
Nemo
You are right, moving over pages that need it is something the committee should be involved in. Forgot to include that in the previous e-mail.
The thought here is to have several volunteers who are capable of handling all things related to page translation with the Translate extension, who can help Foundation staffers, Wikimania volunteers, chapters and whoever need it when they have pages that need translation. It would only make sense that all committee members are translation admins, and all translation admins are committee members. Maybe it should just be called "translation administrators group" or something, that is something that can be discussed. Either way, the purpose is to assist people who are putting up translations, as well as translators having questions.
I 100 % agree about transitioning pages to the Translate extension, though I don't think it's a huge mess. The way it is implemented on Meta can be improved, but a think "huge mess" is a bit of an overstatement.
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Where can we translate the central notice that has just appeared regarding the proposed WMF travel guide?
Eleri James
Eleri James, 23/07/2012 14:40:
Where can we translate the central notice that has just appeared regarding the proposed WMF travel guide?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Travel_Guide It's not using the usual templates, I don't know whether a Meta sysop is actually watching it but I hope so.
Nemo
After looking for a better place to translate it on meta-wiki I just used the site mentioned by Nemo.
2012/7/23 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
Eleri James, 23/07/2012 14:40:
Where can we translate the central notice that has just appeared
regarding the proposed WMF travel guide?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/CentralNotice/Travel_**Guidehttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Travel_Guide It's not using the usual templates, I don't know whether a Meta sysop is actually watching it but I hope so.
Nemo
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It's here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Travel_Guide Not too easy to find at the moment. Don't know when it was announced, but it already has a fair number of translations.
2012/7/23 Eleri James elerijms@yahoo.co.uk
Where can we translate the central notice that has just appeared regarding the proposed WMF travel guide?
Eleri James
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Jon Harald Søby schrieb:
It's here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Travel_Guide Not too easy to find at the moment. Don't know when it was announced, but it already has a fair number of translations.
And why it is not on the translation page?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests
IMHO the old translation page was better. Or, there should be at least a "translate" button in the central notice linked to the translation page of the central notice.
Regards
Michael (Michawiki)
Thank you Jon Harald Soby for adding the request to the translation requests page. How about adding the "translate" link to the central notice itself?
Eleri
________________________________ From: Michael Wolf milupo@sorbzilla.de To: Wikimedia Translators translators-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, 23 July 2012, 14:59 Subject: Re: [Translators-l] Central notice re travel guide
Jon Harald Søby schrieb:
It's here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Travel_Guide Not too easy to find at the moment. Don't know when it was announced, but it already has a fair number of translations.
And why it is not on the translation page?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests
IMHO the old translation page was better. Or, there should be at least a "translate" button in the central notice linked to the translation page of the central notice.
Regards
Michael (Michawiki)
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Eleri James, 24/07/2012 00:32:
Thank you Jon Harald Soby for adding the request to the translation requests page. How about adding the "translate" link to the central notice itself?
The central notice shouldn't be shown in languages it's not translated to.
Nemo
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.comwrote:
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The central notice shouldn't be shown in languages it's not translated to.
I would not have translated it into Danish, if I hadn't seen it, so I find your statement to be rather unwiki.
Regards, Ole
Ole Palnatoke Andersen, 24/07/2012 09:10:
I would not have translated it into Danish, if I hadn't seen it, so I find your statement to be rather unwiki.
We have this mailing list and now also (hopefully) proper notifications tools like https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:TranslatorSignup , and anyway ot inability to communicate to a few translators would surely not be a justification to expose thousands of users to messages they don't understand, we're a multilingual community.
Nemo
Federico Leva (Nemo) schrieb:
The central notice shouldn't be shown in languages it's not translated to.
Hello Federico,
you forget one thing. There are a lot of users that understand English as well. And they will be informed then as well. If you don't show a central notice nobody is informed, neither those that understand English. And you cannot know before, when the central notice will be translated - less than ever the translator even does not know that there is a new central notice. I saw it only because it was shown in English on Wikipedia. It was not on the page for translation requests. Then Eleri James asked in the mailing list and Lloffiwr on the discussion page of Requests for comment/Travel guide. We all have known only that there is a new central notice because it was shown on Wikipedia in English.
Regards Michael
Michael Wolf, 24/07/2012 15:17:
Federico Leva (Nemo) schrieb:
The central notice shouldn't be shown in languages it's not translated to.
Hello Federico,
you forget one thing. There are a lot of users that understand English as well.
I've not forgotten it at all.
We all have known only that there is a new central notice because it was shown on Wikipedia in English.
Then complain with whoever set up the CentralNotice without a proper translation system. Thanks, Nemo
Federico Leva (Nemo) schrieb:
Then complain with whoever set up the CentralNotice without a proper translation system.
It is not a question of translation yet. It is a question of information for translation. The translators are not informed in an adequate manner. At least the page for translation requests should be up-to-date. But I'm not always on Meta. And if there is no information by mailing list, I wouldn't know that there is a central notice to translate. And I repeat: Nobody would be informed about the content of the central notice if it is not shown. How long would you be waiting for translation? If there is no translator available the central notice would never be shown in the corresponding Wikipedias.
Regards Michael
Michael Wolf, 24/07/2012 16:36:
Federico Leva (Nemo) schrieb:
Then complain with whoever set up the CentralNotice without a proper translation system.
It is not a question of translation yet. It is a question of information for translation. The translators are not informed in an adequate manner.
Correct, and centralnotices aka after-the-fact requests are not an adequate information, despite https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law. The mistake here has been mostly on CentralNotice-managers side IMHO (because they didn't know the translation system I'd say), but if you have suggestions to improve the requests system or the [[TR]] page you may want to comment on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Translation_requests
Nemo
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