The translation for Macedonian (mk) is done and marked as "Ready". Cheers!

-----Original Message----- From: Mani Pande Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:00 AM To: Wikimedia Translators Subject: Re: [Translators-l] Wikipedia Editors Survey 2011

Hi Wym, Thanks for bringing up some of these issues. Here are some clarifications for the editor survey. Thanks in advance Mani

D1a. In what year did you first start contributing to Wikipedia? -- Do you accept non-Gregorian calendars here? If not, we might better to give some indication with the box, for example, something equivalent to " A.D. _____ ". Without any given notice, people might expect their own calendars.

D1a. Thanks for agreeing to participate in the editor survey. To begin, we are going to ask some questions about you. What was the year when you first started contributing to Wikipedia? (Please provide the year in the following format: 2009, 2010 etc) ______

D11. In a typical day, how much time do you spend on your computer? -- The candidates here look less regular. Is it intentional to have "8-9" as the second candidate, not "9-10"?

D11. In a typical day, how much time do you spend on your computer?

7 More than 10 hours 6 9-8 hours 5 7-6 hours 4 5-4 hours 3 3-2 hours 2 About an hour 1 Less than an hour 0 Don’t use my computer daily

Q9. -- Here you mention several websites/services including Facebook and Farmville. Those examples might give less or no information to non-English users. Are we allowed to "localize" it into a well-known counterpart in our own language community? (Sir48 asked the same question at [[meta:Talk:Wikipedia Editors Survey 2011/Translation/en]], and got no reply yet.)

Localizing will be perfect.

Best, Whym

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Alex Zarivlists@alexzariv.com wrote:

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Hello all,

Today we are starting a new translation request for the 2011 Wikipedia Editors Survey[1].

The Wikimedia Foundation's Global Development Department is running this 50 question, 18 minute long survey to better understand the Wikipedia editing community. The survey will allow us to refresh our data, get more accurate, reliable, and valid sample data, determine influences on Wikipedia activities, understand editing activities, and find ways to improve retention and increase diversity.

As this is a global survey of all of our Wikipedia projects, we would like to have it translated into as many languages as possible so that many people can participate. If you are interested in helping with this, please see the Translation page[2] for tips and for the translation workspace.

Please note that all translations need to be completed by March 23rd, so that we may begin programming the survey into our system and have it ready by the end of March.

If you have any questions about this request or need assistance, please feel free to ask on the list, the request's talk page, or on IRC.

Thanks

Alex and Casey

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Editors_Survey_2011 [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Editors_Survey_2011/Translation

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Hi, this are my personal opinions, so better wait officail answer:

q13a : I think it allows editing by sentence or paragraph. (So you can choose one sentence/paragraph and edit only it)

Olli

2011/3/11 Анастасия Львова stasielvova@gmail.com

Hello,

can you explain what is Q13a "A feature that allows editors to do block edits like paragraphs and sentences" in other words? What is "block edits"? We cannot translate it.

And Q12, "A feature/app that allows you to "check in" at places" - I know what it is in Facebook, but cannot understand wiki-context.

Q24с "you were stereotyped you" - is it a typo?

-- regards, Lvova

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Hi Eleri, "I research articles" is gathering information to write the article. It can be reading/researching about the subject online, offline etc. I hope this helps. Mani

Mani Pande, PhD Head of Global Development Research Wikimedia Foundation Twitter: manipande Skype: manipande

On 3/11/11 1:08 PM, Eleri James wrote:

In question 4a of section I, what is the difference between 'I write new articles' and 'I research articles'? Does 'research' refer to adding source references to an article?

Eleri James

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Hi Eleri, We would have to rely on the community to translate them. Mani

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On 3/12/11 3:28 AM, Eleri James wrote:

There are 2 questions in the survey requiring a narrative response, and another 7 which may have a narrative response. How will these be translated back into English?

Eleri James

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Hi Eleri, Right now we don't from which languages we will get narrative responses. Once we figure it out, we will employ different channels to recruit translators. We will certainly post it on this list, and keep you in loop. I am sure Casey, James and Alex have some other ideas that I am not aware of. Mani

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On 3/12/11 8:46 AM, Eleri James wrote:

Hmm, why do I have the sinking feeling that the community might end up being me for cy?:-)

When you know how you are going to go about recruiting translators to english for the survey, could you post a notice about this on this list, unless you are going to post on every Wikipedia community page on languages which need translators?

Regards, Eleri

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Hi Eleri,
We would have to rely on the community to translate them.
Mani

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Hello everybody!

I'm translating the survey to Bulgarian and I reached question Q3, which I believe needs clarification, especially considering the preceding questions.

*Q3. What is your user access level? (Please choose all that apply) *

Having asked the editor to first list ALL applicable versions of Wikipedia where they contribute, and then the ONE where they contribute primarily, its obscure then which of both aspects does Q3 exactly refer to. For instance, I may contribute to both Bulgarian and English Wikipedia (Bulgarian being the primary one) and I may have a basic account on the English WP, while being a sysop on Bulgarian WP. Then, how am I supposed to answer the question? :)

Hence, the question should either stipulate that the answer is given for the *primarily edited *version of Wikipedia, OR it shall allow the user to provide their * maximal *user access level ever reached. I think both answers would be helpful for the survey, or even one of them, as long as all users understand the question uniformly.

I've posted this question on the talk page http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikipedia_Editors_Survey_2011/Translatio... but I decided that it may be a good idea to post it here too, considering some translations have already been completed, while this issue may trigger rewording of the original...

Best wishes! Vassia

Hm, it wasnt so obvious to me, before you explained it :D ... Maybe you're right though I'm still feeling that misinterpretation may occur and separating the question would yield clearer results (and eventually bring more information, helpful for the survey). Or maybe it;s because of my sleepiness in this time of the night (UTC+2)... Thanks anyway! V.

2011/3/13 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com

2011/3/13 vassia atanassova vassia.atanassova@gmail.com

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Hello everybody!

I'm translating the survey to Bulgarian and I reached question Q3, which I believe needs clarification, especially considering the preceding questions.

*Q3. What is your user access level? (Please choose all that apply) *

Having asked the editor to first list ALL applicable versions of Wikipedia where they contribute, and then the ONE where they contribute primarily, its obscure then which of both aspects does Q3 exactly refer to. For instance, I may contribute to both Bulgarian and English Wikipedia (Bulgarian being the primary one) and I may have a basic account on the English WP, while being a sysop on Bulgarian WP. Then, how am I supposed to answer the question? :)

Hence, the question should either stipulate that the answer is given for the *primarily edited *version of Wikipedia, OR it shall allow the user to provide their * maximal *user access level ever reached. I think both answers would be helpful for the survey, or even one of them, as long as all users understand the question uniformly.

I've posted this question on the talk page http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikipedia_Editors_Survey_2011/Translatio... but I decided that it may be a good idea to post it here too, considering some translations have already been completed, while this issue may trigger rewording of the original...

Best wishes! Vassia

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See the second part of the question: *(Please choose all that apply)*

There shouldn't be much room for misinterpretation there. "All that apply" means you shold check all the access levels you have, regardless of whether they are on your primary project or not.

-- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Mani Pande mpande@wikimedia.org wrote:

A quick update for those translating the editor survey, I made one small change to the intro section to the survey (see in italics below).  Based on everyone's feedback, I agree it is best not to mention in the beginning that Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organization so we don't get a biased response to D14. My apologies for the inconvenience, but it is worth the effort.

Depending on when you started your translation, you might've missed some other updates. Most of them were just grammar fixes that only affect the English version, but it would definitely be a good idea to check either way: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_Editors_Survey_2011/Translation/en&action=history

Thanks for the feedback. Here are my answers to your questions. Mani

can you explain what is Q13a "A feature that allows editors to do block edits like paragraphs and sentences" in other words? What is "block edits"? We cannot translate it.

Block edits is editing a selection like few sentences or just a paragraph

And Q12, "A feature/app that allows you to "check in" at places" - I know what it is in Facebook, but cannot understand wiki-context.

This question is to understand their online behavior so it is not related to wiki context. But if you feel Facebook Places is more relevant example than go ahead and change it.

Q24с "you were stereotyped you" - is it a typo?

Yes it is a typo, thanks for pointing it out

Hi,

Central notice in Finnish needs proofreading.

Olli

2011/3/12 Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Alex Zariv lists@alexzariv.com wrote:

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Today we are starting a new translation request for the 2011 Wikipedia Editors Survey[1].

We will be advertising this survey via CentralNotice, so we would appreciate it if you would translate the notice text as well: < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Editors_Survey_2011/CentralNotice

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Problem with the central notice page not saving seems to have solved itself.

Eleri James

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I tried to save a translation for cy and sw on the central notice, but it wouldn't save. I couldn't post a comment on the talk page either. Am able to edit other pages on meta.

Also, I think that the message needs an 'a' in it, as in "Wikipedia is conducting a survey of Wikipedia editors."

Regards, Eleri James

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On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Alex Zariv lists@alexzariv.com wrote:

Today we are starting a new translation request for the 2011 Wikipedia Editors Survey[1].

We will be advertising this survey via CentralNotice, so we would appreciate it if you would translate the notice text as well: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Editors_Survey_2011/CentralNotice