The latest tech newsletter is ready for early translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2017/08
Direct translation link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=pag...
I'm planning to send the newsletter on Monday afternoon (UTC), i.e. Monday morning PT. The existing translations will be posted on the wikis in that language. Deadlines: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/For_contributors#The_deadlines
There may be a few more edits by Friday, but the existing content should generally remain fairly stable. I will let you know on Friday in any case.
Let me know if you have any questions, comments or concerns. As always, I appreciate your help and feedback.
(If you did not translate Tech News in the last few weeks, see this email: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2017-January/003773.html
Please do tell me if there's anything I can help you with.)
//Johan Jönsson --
Hi,
just a few questions regarding translation memory:
"You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team..." I wonder why the translation memory don't give me the time-localized one used in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translations:Tech/News/2017/07/20/fi (the same happened last week, I had to copypaste it from the previous letter).
Same with the '''''[[$technews|Tech news]]''' prepared by... It's still giving me the message "prepared by tech ambassadors" when it should suggest me the new one, "prepared by tech news writers". I always need to copypaste it from the previous one and it takes a lot of time! ;)
*Stryn*
*Suomenkielisen Wikipedian ylläpitäjä & osoitepaljastaja / Admin and checkuser on the Finnish Wikipedia*
*Wikidatan ylläpitäjä / Admin on Wikidata*
*Meta-Wikin ylläpitäjä / Admin on Meta-Wiki* *Ylivalvoja / Steward*
2017-02-16 23:00 GMT+02:00 Johan Jönsson jjonsson@wikimedia.org:
The latest tech newsletter is ready for early translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2017/08
Direct translation link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Translate&group=page-Tech%2FNews%2F2017%2F08&action=page
I'm planning to send the newsletter on Monday afternoon (UTC), i.e. Monday morning PT. The existing translations will be posted on the wikis in that language. Deadlines: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/For_contributors#The_deadlines
There may be a few more edits by Friday, but the existing content should generally remain fairly stable. I will let you know on Friday in any case.
Let me know if you have any questions, comments or concerns. As always, I appreciate your help and feedback.
(If you did not translate Tech News in the last few weeks, see this email: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2017- January/003773.html
Please do tell me if there's anything I can help you with.)
//Johan Jönsson
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2017-02-16 23:38 GMT+02:00 Stryn strynwiki@gmail.com:
just a few questions regarding translation memory:
Hi,
in short, it is a known issue (T101236).
To alleviate performance issues, the algorithm of the translation memory was changed as follows: load N items in the source language that match most closely to the string in translation. Then load the translations for them (if any exist). If we do not get more results, repeat the same for M more items. Currently N = 100 and M = 500.
It so seems that if there are many untranslated strings, we often fail to choose the ones which would have translations. In addition I think we have some sort of matching and ranking problem as well, since top 600 matches should definitely contain the previous translations.
It is easy to rule out an updating problem, since I can find those translations with translation search [1]. And this search [2] shows that there are many untranslated ones.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:SearchTranslations&... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:SearchTranslations&...
You are probably interested when this will be fixed. I don't know the answer for that. It is a non-trivial amount of a work, and it requires some expertise in algorithms suitable for this purpose. Comments (in here and Phabricator) which explain how this issue affects you and wastes you time and how extensive the issue is are welcome and helpful to show that it is an important issue.
-Niklas
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Niklas Laxström niklas.laxstrom@gmail.com wrote:
2017-02-16 23:38 GMT+02:00 Stryn strynwiki@gmail.com:
just a few questions regarding translation memory:
Hi,
in short, it is a known issue (T101236).
To alleviate performance issues, the algorithm of the translation memory was changed as follows: load N items in the source language that match most closely to the string in translation. Then load the translations for them (if any exist). If we do not get more results, repeat the same for M more items. Currently N = 100 and M = 500.
It so seems that if there are many untranslated strings, we often fail to choose the ones which would have translations. In addition I think we have some sort of matching and ranking problem as well, since top 600 matches should definitely contain the previous translations.
It is easy to rule out an updating problem, since I can find those translations with translation search [1]. And this search [2] shows that there are many untranslated ones.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: SearchTranslations&filter=translated&language=fi&query= You+can+join+the+next+meeting+with+the+VisualEditor+team [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: SearchTranslations&filter=untranslated&language=fi& query=You+can+join+the+next+meeting+with+the+VisualEditor+team
You are probably interested when this will be fixed. I don't know the answer for that. It is a non-trivial amount of a work, and it requires some expertise in algorithms suitable for this purpose. Comments (in here and Phabricator) which explain how this issue affects you and wastes you time and how extensive the issue is are welcome and helpful to show that it is an important issue.
OK, I have commented on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101236 trying to explain how this issue affects us. Any individual translators who feel affected by this, feel free to add something to the ticket (or here, if you don't want to use Phabricator).
//Johan Jönsson --
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:00 PM, Johan Jönsson jjonsson@wikimedia.org wrote:
The latest tech newsletter is ready for early translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2017/08
Direct translation link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Translate&group=page-Tech%2FNews%2F2017%2F08&action=page
I'm planning to send the newsletter on Monday afternoon (UTC), i.e. Monday morning PT. The existing translations will be posted on the wikis in that language. Deadlines: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/For_contributors#The_deadlines
There may be a few more edits by Friday, but the existing content should generally remain fairly stable. I will let you know on Friday in any case.
Let me know if you have any questions, comments or concerns. As always, I appreciate your help and feedback.
(If you did not translate Tech News in the last few weeks, see this email: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2017- January/003773.html
Please do tell me if there's anything I can help you with.)
The text of the newsletter is now final. Two new items have been added since yesterday; one has been rephrased without need for re-translation. There won't be any more changes; you can translate safely.
//Johan Jönsson --
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:00 PM, Johan Jönsson jjonsson@wikimedia.org wrote:
The latest tech newsletter is ready for early translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2017/08
Direct translation link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=pag...
Thank you all for your help! It is deeply appreciated. The newsletter has now been delivered (in 19 languages) to subscribers across wikis.
//Johan Jönsson --
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