Hi everyone,
The latest tech newsletter is ready for early translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2015/40
Direct translation link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=pag...
I'm planning to send the newsletter on Monday afternoon (UTC), i.e. Monday morning PDT. The existing translations will be posted on the wikis in that language.
There may be a few more edits by Friday, but the existing content should generally remain fairly stable. I will let you know on Friday in any case.
Let me know if you have any questions, comments or concerns. As always, I appreciate your help and feedback.
Thanks!
//Johan Jönsson --
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Johan Jönsson jjonsson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
The latest tech newsletter is ready for early translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2015/40
Direct translation link:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=pag...
The text of the newsletter is now final. Four items have been added since yesterday. There won't be any more changes; you can translate safely.
//Johan Jönsson --
Hi,
There will be a new beta feature that ...
under the heading 'Changes this week' is a contradiction. Either it is there since this week, or it will be there in the future but not this week.
Purodha
On 25.09.2015 20:58, Johan Jönsson wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Johan Jönsson wrote:
Hi everyone,
The latest tech newsletter is ready for early translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2015/40 [1]
Direct translation link:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=pag...
[2]
The text of the newsletter is now final. Four items have been added since yesterday. There wont be any more changes; you can translate safely.
//Johan Jönsson --
Links:
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2015/40 [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate%7C+%7Camp%7C+... [3] mailto:jjonsson@wikimedia.org
Same with the message following it.
On 25.09.2015 21:59, Purodha Blissenbach wrote:
Hi,
There will be a new beta feature that ...
under the heading 'Changes this week' is a contradiction. Either it is there since this week, or it will be there in the future but not this week.
Purodha
On 25.09.2015 20:58, Johan Jönsson wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Johan Jönsson wrote:
Hi everyone,
The latest tech newsletter is ready for early translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2015/40 [1]
Direct translation link:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=pag...
[2]
The text of the newsletter is now final. Four items have been added since yesterday. There wont be any more changes; you can translate safely.
//Johan Jönsson --
Links:
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2015/40 [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate%7C+%7Camp%7C+... [3] mailto:jjonsson@wikimedia.org
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On 25.09.2015 21:59, Purodha Blissenbach wrote:
Hi,
There will be a new beta feature that ...
under the heading 'Changes this week' is a contradiction. Either it is there since this week, or it will be there in the future but not this week.
Hi, I wrote the "new beta feature" line with the future tense, to match the recurring "The new version of MediaWiki will be on [...]" item above. This seemed logical to me, because when the message is delivered on Monday the feature will not yet be available, but will become available during the week (Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday) as the deployments roll out to each group of wikis. I think that is the intended use of that section, but possibly I've misunderstood? Hmmm, I've now looked through the last few issues, and I see a slight mix of present and future tense in the "Changes this week" section (e.g #34 says "You can soon watch when something is added to or removed from a category"), but mostly present tense. I agree this is worth clarifying/standardizing in future issues. HTH, Quiddity
Okay. Purodha
On 25.09.2015 22:37, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) wrote:
On 25.09.2015 21 [1]:59, Purodha Blissenbach wrote:
Hi,
There will be a new beta feature that ...
under the heading Changes this week is a contradiction. Either it is there since this week, or it will be there in the future but not this week.
Hi, I wrote the "new beta feature" line with the future tense, to match the recurring "The new version of MediaWiki will be on [...]" item above. This seemed logical to me, because when the message is delivered on Monday the feature will not yet be available, but will become available during the week (Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday) as the deployments roll out to each group of wikis. I think that is the intended use of that section, but possibly Ive misunderstood? Hmmm, Ive now looked through the last few issues, and I see a slight mix of present and future tense in the "Changes this week" section (e.g #34 says "You can soon watch when something is added to or removed from a category"), but mostly present tense. I agree this is worth clarifying/standardizing in future issues. HTH, Quiddity
Links:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) nwilson@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 25.09.2015 21:59, Purodha Blissenbach wrote:
Hi,
There will be a new beta feature that ...
under the heading 'Changes this week' is a contradiction. Either it is there since this week, or it will be there in the future but not this week.
Hi, I wrote the "new beta feature" line with the future tense, to match the recurring "The new version of MediaWiki will be on [...]" item above. This seemed logical to me, because when the message is delivered on Monday the feature will not yet be available, but will become available during the week (Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday) as the deployments roll out to each group of wikis. I think that is the intended use of that section, but possibly I've misunderstood? Hmmm, I've now looked through the last few issues, and I see a slight mix of present and future tense in the "Changes this week" section (e.g #34 says "You can soon watch when something is added to or removed from a category"), but mostly present tense. I agree this is worth clarifying/standardizing in future issues. HTH, Quiddity
I've previously mainly been using "now" but changed everything under "changes this week" to the future tense because there has been some confusion: when it's delivered on the Monday, editors have gone looking for a certain feature or change they have been promised in the present tense, only to find it hasn't been deployed yet and won't be until e.g. Thursday.
//Johan Jönsson --
On 25.09.2015 23:34, Johan Jönsson wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) nwilson@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 25.09.2015 21:59, Purodha Blissenbach wrote:
Hi,
There will be a new beta feature that ...
under the heading 'Changes this week' is a contradiction. Either it is there since this week, or it will be there in the future but not this week.
Hi, I wrote the "new beta feature" line with the future tense, to match the recurring "The new version of MediaWiki will be on [...]" item above. This seemed logical to me, because when the message is delivered on Monday the feature will not yet be available, but will become available during the week (Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday) as the deployments roll out to each group of wikis. I think that is the intended use of that section, but possibly I've misunderstood? Hmmm, I've now looked through the last few issues, and I see a slight mix of present and future tense in the "Changes this week" section (e.g #34 says "You can soon watch when something is added to or removed from a category"), but mostly present tense. I agree this is worth clarifying/standardizing in future issues. HTH, Quiddity
I've previously mainly been using "now" but changed everything under "changes this week" to the future tense because there has been some confusion: when it's delivered on the Monday, editors have gone looking for a certain feature or change they have been promised in the present tense, only to find it hasn't been deployed yet and won't be until e.g. Thursday.
Strangely enough, I had always silently understood "this week" as the week of my translation, neither the deployment of the newsletter nor the deployment the features. So, yes, it should be future tense on Mondays - although - if people go to try it after reading, they may find features are not yet deployed, get frustrated and hateful :-) So why not have "Changes gone life last week" or so, giving people experienes of success, since we can be sure that tings work at once for them?
Purodha
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Purodha Blissenbach purodha@blissenbach.org wrote:
On 25.09.2015 23:34, Johan Jönsson wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) nwilson@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 25.09.2015 21:59, Purodha Blissenbach wrote:
Hi,
There will be a new beta feature that ...
under the heading 'Changes this week' is a contradiction. Either it is there since this week, or it will be there in the future but not this week.
Hi, I wrote the "new beta feature" line with the future tense, to match the recurring "The new version of MediaWiki will be on [...]" item above. This seemed logical to me, because when the message is delivered on Monday the feature will not yet be available, but will become available during the week (Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday) as the deployments roll out to each group of wikis. I think that is the intended use of that section, but possibly I've misunderstood? Hmmm, I've now looked through the last few issues, and I see a slight mix of present and future tense in the "Changes this week" section (e.g #34 says "You can soon watch when something is added to or removed from a category"), but mostly present tense. I agree this is worth clarifying/standardizing in future issues. HTH, Quiddity
I've previously mainly been using "now" but changed everything under "changes this week" to the future tense because there has been some confusion: when it's delivered on the Monday, editors have gone looking for a certain feature or change they have been promised in the present tense, only to find it hasn't been deployed yet and won't be until e.g. Thursday.
Strangely enough, I had always silently understood "this week" as the week of my translation, neither the deployment of the newsletter nor the deployment the features. So, yes, it should be future tense on Mondays - although - if people go to try it after reading, they may find features are not yet deployed, get frustrated and hateful :-) So why not have "Changes gone life last week" or so, giving people experienes of success, since we can be sure that tings work at once for them?
(Sorry for the late reply, was travelling over the weekend.)
That's mainly what "recent changes" is meant to cover. The benefit of calling it "recent changes", I think, is that it's mainly things from the week before the newsletter is distributed, but if we add something that's a little bit older, we don't need another section. You think another solution would be better?
//Johan Jönsson --
On 28.09.2015 10:51, Johan Jönsson wrote:
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Purodha Blissenbach purodha@blissenbach.org wrote:
On 25.09.2015 23:34, Johan Jönsson wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) nwilson@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 25.09.2015 21:59, Purodha Blissenbach wrote:
Hi,
> There will be a new beta feature that ...
under the heading 'Changes this week' is a contradiction. Either it is there since this week, or it will be there in the future but not this week.
Hi, I wrote the "new beta feature" line with the future tense, to match the recurring "The new version of MediaWiki will be on [...]" item above. This seemed logical to me, because when the message is delivered on Monday the feature will not yet be available, but will become available during the week (Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday) as the deployments roll out to each group of wikis. I think that is the intended use of that section, but possibly I've misunderstood? Hmmm, I've now looked through the last few issues, and I see a slight mix of present and future tense in the "Changes this week" section (e.g #34 says "You can soon watch when something is added to or removed from a category"), but mostly present tense. I agree this is worth clarifying/standardizing in future issues. HTH, Quiddity
I've previously mainly been using "now" but changed everything under "changes this week" to the future tense because there has been some confusion: when it's delivered on the Monday, editors have gone looking for a certain feature or change they have been promised in the present tense, only to find it hasn't been deployed yet and won't be until e.g. Thursday.
Strangely enough, I had always silently understood "this week" as the week of my translation, neither the deployment of the newsletter nor the deployment the features. So, yes, it should be future tense on Mondays - although - if people go to try it after reading, they may find features are not yet deployed, get frustrated and hateful :-) So why not have "Changes gone life last week" or so, giving people experienes of success, since we can be sure that tings work at once for them?
(Sorry for the late reply, was travelling over the weekend.)
That's mainly what "recent changes" is meant to cover. The benefit of calling it "recent changes", I think, is that it's mainly things from the week before the newsletter is distributed, but if we add something that's a little bit older, we don't need another section. You think another solution would be better?
No. I only shall amend my translation of "Changes of this week" to ometing like "Changes upcoming during this week" or similar.
Purodha
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Johan Jönsson jjonsson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
The latest tech newsletter is ready for early translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2015/40
Thank you all for your help! It is deeply appreciated. The newsletter has now been delivered (in 16 languages) to subscribers across wikis.
(I will be away on Thursday and Friday, but Nick (Quiddity) has promised to take care of the parts of Tech News I normally do for next issue.)
//Johan Jönsson --
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