I agree with the suggestion that meta translators need better tooling, but moving Wikimedia related translations to translatewikin.net is not a proper solution per se. I have been advocating use of the Translate extension, and more specifically the page translation feature, on meta for a while now in an informal way hoping someone would take up the challenge and find a way to convince the powers that be to make a serious effort to get it installed on meta.
I do realize the workflow is different from what translators are used to working with now, but i myself have a strong feeling of "this workflow cannot be happening" each time i work on a translation on meta, in particular when the source page content has changed and i have to resort to checking page history for what has changed.
Feel like discussing this more interactively? Pleases join us in the #mediawiki-i18n irc channel, join translatewiki.net and check out the page translation feature, or check it out on userbase.kde.net.
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On 20 jan. 2011, at 09:19, "Amir E. Aharoni" amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Several times during the fundraiser i updated the translations manually with corrections made by other people and then i just mentioned their usernames in the edit summary. This should be good enough as far as credit goes.
For a fuller solution i propose moving all the translation efforts to translatewiki.net , which offers convenient tools for automatic translation updates, and to the best of my knowledge, they take care of credit, too.
2011/1/20 KIZU Naoko aphaia@gmail.com:
Hi, I guess we don't have a written form policy of credit or even common one. My recommendation for wmf editors who publish the translation from meta to wmf site is using [[meta:special:Import]] for moving the files to wmf site which enables us to preserve the original history, but sometimes it takes a time and I understand not always it hasn't be kept.
Another solution, I believe once Wing suggested too, might be putting the translators' credit on the page in a much more visible way, not only relying history page alone, but it has not been taken into serious consideration to implement ... yet.
What do you guys think the latter solution? Is anyone (preferably a MW developer) interested in?
Cheers,
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Benny bknliem@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi, forgive me for asking this, but what's the policy for crediting a translation? For example, the Indonesian landing page is http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WMFJA026/id With a little research we can find that the source is http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:2010/JimmyLetterK/id, but when you look at it's history, there's no link to the actual translation page, i.e. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/Jimmy_appeal_2/id, thus it seems that Klyman is the one who did the translation. I suppose he should've at least mention where the translation was taken from. Or is there another rationalization?
Regards, benny
--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org wrote:
From: Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org Subject: [Translators-l] Reminder on the urgent Jimmy To: "Wikimedia Translators" translators-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 9:33 PM
Just a gentle reminder: we have an appeal from Jimmy up at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/Translation . This one will be pushed out to all wikis, so we really need it localized as much as possible, please... any help you can give is gratefully appreciated. pb
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