Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks in this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it Lurish https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish as the translation for English, per this http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc the language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are called Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects of this language like Bakhtiari https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of article I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no Persian words in them.

On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? Thanks, Gerard

On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia,

here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of them

 1. استیو جابز
    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
    (Steve Jobs)
 2. آلورت انیشتین
    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
    (Albert Einstein)
 3. کلمبیا
    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
    (Colombia)
 4. شهید چمران
    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
    (Mostafa Chamran)
 5. شایا عیلامی
    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
    (List of rulers of Elam)
 6. کارلوس فوئنتس
    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
    (Carlos Fuentes)


Analysis
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki
message
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
been translated.

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Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew Lorestan, but per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this wiki is written in.

On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0

It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is not a good idea. Thanks, GerardM

On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this language,
it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most
active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he
speaks in this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some
people call it Lurish
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
as the translation for English, per this
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc> the
language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects
are called Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and
now accepted a ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other
proposal of dialects of this language like Bakhtiari
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of
article I've just provided are the best of them as you can see
there are no Persian words in them.


On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

Hoi,
Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ?
Thanks,
     Gerard

On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Hi,

    I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia,

    here are some top articles I could list, but there are more
    of them

     1. استیو جابز
        <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
        (Steve Jobs)
     2. آلورت انیشتین
        <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
        (Albert Einstein)
     3. کلمبیا
        <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7> (Colombia)
     4. شهید چمران
        <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
        (Mostafa Chamran)
     5. شایا عیلامی
        <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
        (List of rulers of Elam)
     6. کارلوس فوئنتس
        <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
        (Carlos Fuentes)


    Analysis
    <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
    shows that this project has enough users and most of
    mediawiki message
    <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has been
    translated.

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You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable resources on the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at least in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you.

On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that before. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:

Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have any
knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of
Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew
Lorestan, but per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern
Luri which this wiki is written in.


On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

Hoi,
Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0

It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is
not a good idea.
Thanks,
       GerardM

On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this
    language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei
    (User:Mogoeilor) the most active user of this project is from
    Lorestan so definitely he speaks in this language every day.
    In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it Lurish
    <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
    as the translation for English, per this
    <http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc> the
    language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it
    dialects are called Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also
    submitted and now accepted a ticket to CLDR to support this
    language. Other proposal of dialects of this language like
    Bakhtiari
    <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
    failed because of being a part of this language. Also they
    list of article I've just provided are the best of them as
    you can see there are no Persian words in them.


    On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

    Hoi,
    Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ?
    Thanks,
         Gerard

    On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
    <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Hi,

        I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia,

        here are some top articles I could list, but there are
        more of them

         1. استیو جابز
            <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
            (Steve Jobs)
         2. آلورت انیشتین
            <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
            (Albert Einstein)
         3. کلمبیا
            <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
            (Colombia)
         4. شهید چمران
            <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
            (Mostafa Chamran)
         5. شایا عیلامی
            <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
            (List of rulers of Elam)
         6. کارلوس فوئنتس
            <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
            (Carlos Fuentes)


        Analysis
        <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
        shows that this project has enough users and most of
        mediawiki message
        <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
        been translated.

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        Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org
        <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
        https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom




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Hoi, Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable resources on the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at least in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you.

On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that before. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew Lorestan, but per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this wiki is written in.

On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0

It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is not a good idea. Thanks, GerardM

On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks in this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it Lurish https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish as the translation for English, per this http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc the language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are called Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects of this language like Bakhtiari https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of article I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no Persian words in them.

On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? Thanks, Gerard

On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi,

I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia,

here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of them

1. استیو جابز

http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 (Steve Jobs) 2. آلورت انیشتین http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 (Albert Einstein) 3. کلمبیا http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 (Colombia) 4. شهید چمران http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 (Mostafa Chamran) 5. شایا عیلامی http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C (List of rulers of Elam) 6. کارلوس فوئنتس http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 (Carlos Fuentes)

Analysis https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki message https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas been translated.

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Hoi, A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro language. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?

On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable resources on the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at least in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you.

On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that before. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew Lorestan, but per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this wiki is written in.

On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0

It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is not a good idea. Thanks, GerardM

On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks in this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it Lurish https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish as the translation for English, per this http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc the language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are called Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects of this language like Bakhtiari https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of article I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no Persian words in them.

On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? Thanks, Gerard

On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi,

I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia,

here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of them

1. استیو جابز

http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 (Steve Jobs) 2. آلورت انیشتین http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 (Albert Einstein) 3. کلمبیا http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 ( Colombia) 4. شهید چمران http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 (Mostafa Chamran) 5. شایا عیلامی http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C (List of rulers of Elam) 6. کارلوس فوئنتس http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 (Carlos Fuentes)

Analysis https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki message https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas been translated.

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This https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1 is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't see that.

On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:

Yes.

On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

Hoi, A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro language. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:

There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's
languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer
code, the unified codes that the world uses. Is there any
confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?


On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

Hoi,
Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are
an authority.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

    You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but
    what do you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of
    trustable resources on the Internet, I my self can't even
    trust ethnologue, because I found unuseful information on it
    and I don't know where they come from, at least in
    Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you.


    On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

    Hoi,
    Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been.
    Again, self certification does not work for me.. We have
    been hurt by that before.
    Thanks,
         GerardM

    On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
    <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I
        didn't have any knowledge that there is a southern
        dialect of it and people of Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi,
        and Yasuj speak that, I only knew Lorestan, but per
        English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri
        which this wiki is written in.


        On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

        Hoi,
        Check this out ...
        http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0

        It rather complicates things... By the way self
        certification is not a good idea.
        Thanks,
               GerardM

        On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
        <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of
            this language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad
            Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most active user of
            this project is from Lorestan so definitely he
            speaks in this language every day. In Iran it's
            called Luri, some people call it Lurish
            <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
            as the translation for English, per this
            <http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
            the language should be called Northern Luri, but
            none of it dialects are called Luri, so I call it
            Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a
            ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other
            proposal of dialects of this language like
            Bakhtiari
            <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
            failed because of being a part of this language.
            Also they list of article I've just provided are
            the best of them as you can see there are no
            Persian words in them.


            On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

            Hoi,
            Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ?
            Thanks,
                 Gerard

            On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr
            <mjbmri@gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

                Hi,

                I ask langcom members for approval of Luri
                Wikipedia,

                here are some top articles I could list, but
                there are more of them

                 1. استیو جابز
                    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
                    (Steve Jobs)
                 2. آلورت انیشتین
                    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
                    (Albert Einstein)
                 3. کلمبیا
                    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
                    (Colombia)
                 4. شهید چمران
                    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
                    (Mostafa Chamran)
                 5. شایا عیلامی
                    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
                    (List of rulers of Elam)
                 6. کارلوس فوئنتس
                    <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
                    (Carlos Fuentes)


                Analysis
                <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
                shows that this project has enough users and
                most of mediawiki message
                <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
                been translated.

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Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf, you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares the example differences between these languages.

On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?

On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

This https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1 is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't see that.

On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

Yes.

On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

Hoi, A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro language. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:

There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's
languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer
code, the unified codes that the world uses. Is there any
confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?


On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

Hoi,
Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they
are an authority.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

    You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but
    what do you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot
    of trustable resources on the Internet, I my self can't
    even trust ethnologue, because I found unuseful
    information on it and I don't know where they come from,
    at least in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect
    that from you.


    On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

    Hoi,
    Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been.
    Again, self certification does not work for me.. We have
    been hurt by that before.
    Thanks,
         GerardM

    On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
    <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I
        didn't have any knowledge that there is a southern
        dialect of it and people of Kohgiluyeh and
        Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew
        Lorestan, but per English wikipedia, they're dialects
        of Northern Luri which this wiki is written in.


        On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi, > Check this out ... > http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 > > It rather complicates things... By the way self > certification is not a good idea. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com > mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts > of this language, it is definitely Luri. > Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most active > user of this project is from Lorestan so > definitely he speaks in this language every day. > In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it > Lurish > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish > as the translation for English, per this > http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc > the language should be called Northern Luri, but > none of it dialects are called Luri, so I call > it Luri too. I have also submitted and now > accepted a ticket to CLDR to support this > language. Other proposal of dialects of this > language like Bakhtiari > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari > failed because of being a part of this language. > Also they list of article I've just provided are > the best of them as you can see there are no > Persian words in them. > > > On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? >> Thanks, >> Gerard >> >> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr >> <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri >> Wikipedia, >> >> here are some top articles I could list, >> but there are more of them >> >> 1. استیو جابز >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >> (Steve Jobs) >> 2. آلورت انیشتین >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >> (Albert Einstein) >> 3. کلمبیا >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >> (Colombia) >> 4. شهید چمران >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >> (Mostafa Chamran) >> 5. شایا عیلامی >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >> (List of rulers of Elam) >> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >> (Carlos Fuentes) >> >> >> Analysis >> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >> shows that this project has enough users >> and most of mediawiki message >> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >> been translated. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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In Iran schools and universities beside some foreign languages are not allowed to teach languages other than Persian, so there is no nothing as official resource, what do you expect from me? If there is no approval please let users know to stop contributing.

On 4/28/2015 1:04 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Reading an article does not make us an expert. Thanks, GerardM

On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:

Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many
languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi"
is the main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current
Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri
(lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands
for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the
figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the
"Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad"
(Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can
compares the example differences between these languages.



On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

...

As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an
outside scholar / linguist / language expert for verification
purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?

On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

This
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he
named the language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their
main page, and I didn't see that.

On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

Yes.

On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

Hoi,
A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that
they have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a
language not a macro language.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

    There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's
    languages, people are the resources and they only
    maintainer code, the unified codes that the world uses. Is
    there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?


    On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

    Hoi,
    Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such
    they are an authority.
    Thanks,
         GerardM

    On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
    <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

        You're right, I can't trust a self verification too,
        but what do you expect me do to?, you can probably
        find a lot of trustable resources on the Internet, I
        my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found
        unuseful information on it and I don't know where
        they come from, at least in Wikipedia, we have
        resources, I didn't expect that from you.


        On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi, > Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never > been. Again, self certification does not work for > me.. We have been hurt by that before. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com > mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: > > Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, > I didn't have any knowledge that there is a > southern dialect of it and people of Kohgiluyeh > and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only > knew Lorestan, but per English wikipedia, > they're dialects of Northern Luri which this > wiki is written in. > > > On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> Check this out ... >> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >> >> It rather complicates things... By the way self >> certification is not a good idea. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr >> <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some >> parts of this language, it is definitely >> Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the >> most active user of this project is from >> Lorestan so definitely he speaks in this >> language every day. In Iran it's called >> Luri, some people call it Lurish >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >> as the translation for English, per this >> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >> the language should be called Northern >> Luri, but none of it dialects are called >> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also >> submitted and now accepted a ticket to CLDR >> to support this language. Other proposal of >> dialects of this language like Bakhtiari >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >> failed because of being a part of this >> language. Also they list of article I've >> just provided are the best of them as you >> can see there are no Persian words in them. >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed >>> Luri ? >>> Thanks, >>> Gerard >>> >>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr >>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I ask langcom members for approval of >>> Luri Wikipedia, >>> >>> here are some top articles I could >>> list, but there are more of them >>> >>> 1. استیو جابز >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>> (Steve Jobs) >>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>> (Albert Einstein) >>> 3. کلمبیا >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>> (Colombia) >>> 4. شهید چمران >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>> >>> >>> Analysis >>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>> shows that this project has enough >>> users and most of mediawiki message >>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>> been translated. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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We obviously discuss 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already 3. if no, whom to contact. Then we contact people.

2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:

I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such testimony?

A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hoi, Reading an article does not make us an expert. Thanks, GerardM

On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf, you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares the example differences between these languages.

On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?

On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

This https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1 is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't see that.

On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:

Yes.

On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro language. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?

On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable resources on the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at least in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you.

On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that before. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

...

Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew Lorestan, but per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this wiki is written in.

On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0

It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is not a good idea. Thanks, GerardM

On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this language, > it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most active > user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks in this > language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it > Lurish > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish > as the translation for English, per this > http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc the > language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are called > Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a > ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects of this > language like Bakhtiari > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari > failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of article > I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no Persian > words in them. > > > On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > Hoi, > Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? > Thanks, > Gerard > > On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia, >> >> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of them >> >> 1. استیو جابز >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >> (Steve Jobs) >> 2. آلورت انیشتین >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >> (Albert Einstein) >> 3. کلمبیا >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 ( >> Colombia) >> 4. شهید چمران >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >> (Mostafa Chamran) >> 5. شایا عیلامی >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >> (List of rulers of Elam) >> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >> (Carlos Fuentes) >> >> >> Analysis >> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >> shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki >> message https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >> been translated. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >

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Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us.

Fwiw, Oliver

On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:

Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?

A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com> wrote:

We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.

2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov@wikimedia.org
<mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:

    I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
    expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until
    Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the
    content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact
    Northern Luri?  Or is the committee taking any steps to secure
    such testimony?

       A.

    On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
    <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>>
    wrote:

        Hoi,
        Reading an article does not make us an expert.
        Thanks,
             GerardM

        On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
        <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How
            many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link
            <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
            you can see on the figure #2, said
            "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect and
            "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri
            (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current
            Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of
            Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki"
            on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and
            "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper
            of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the
            "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and
            "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages
            #186 to #197 you can compares the example differences
            between these languages.



            On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

...

            As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we
            need an outside scholar / linguist / language expert
            for verification purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?

            On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

            This
            <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
            is the list of top articles was provided by
            Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this
            wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I
            didn't see that.

            On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

            Yes.

            On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

            Hoi,
            A longstanding requirement for any and all
            languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3
            code and, that they are a language not a macro
            language.
            Thanks,
             GerardM

            On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
            <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

                There is no such thing as they are a resources
                of world's languages, people are the resources
                and they only maintainer code, the unified
                codes that the world uses. Is there any
                confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?


                On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

                Hoi,
                Ethnologue is the maintainer of the
                ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority.
                Thanks,
                 GerardM

                On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr
                <mjbmri@gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
                wrote:

                    You're right, I can't trust a self
                    verification too, but what do you expect
                    me do to?, you can probably find a lot of
                    trustable resources on the Internet, I my
                    self can't even trust ethnologue, because
                    I found unuseful information on it and I
                    don't know where they come from, at least
                    in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't
                    expect that from you.


                    On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi, > Wikipedia is in this not an authority. > It has never been. Again, self > certification does not work for me.. We > have been hurt by that before. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr > <mjbmri@gmail.com > mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: > > Alright then, that's Northern Luri, > fair enough, I didn't have any > knowledge that there is a southern > dialect of it and people of > Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and > Yasuj speak that, I only knew > Lorestan, but per English wikipedia, > they're dialects of Northern Luri > which this wiki is written in. > > > On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard > Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> Check this out ... >> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >> >> It rather complicates things... By >> the way self certification is not a >> good idea. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr >> <mjbmri@gmail.com >> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I >> know some parts of this >> language, it is definitely >> Luri. Mohammad Mogoei >> (User:Mogoeilor) the most >> active user of this project is >> from Lorestan so definitely he >> speaks in this language every >> day. In Iran it's called Luri, >> some people call it Lurish >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >> as the translation for English, >> per this >> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >> the language should be called >> Northern Luri, but none of it >> dialects are called Luri, so I >> call it Luri too. I have also >> submitted and now accepted a >> ticket to CLDR to support this >> language. Other proposal of >> dialects of this language like >> Bakhtiari >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >> failed because of being a part >> of this language. Also they >> list of article I've just >> provided are the best of them >> as you can see there are no >> Persian words in them. >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard >> Meijssen wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Do we have confirmation that >>> it is indeed Luri ? >>> Thanks, >>> Gerard >>> >>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, >>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I ask langcom members for >>> approval of Luri Wikipedia, >>> >>> here are some top articles >>> I could list, but there >>> are more of them >>> >>> 1. استیو جابز >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>> (Steve Jobs) >>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>> (Albert Einstein) >>> 3. کلمبیا >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>> (Colombia) >>> 4. شهید چمران >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>> >>> >>> Analysis >>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>> shows that this project >>> has enough users and most >>> of mediawiki message >>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>> been translated. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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See here https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor, it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the verification.

On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the Internet only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian) about Luri languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor), it seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a university professor and he has PhD, and he has been contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name User:‏Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification.

On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

...

Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us.

Fwiw, Oliver

On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:

...

Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?

A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com> wrote:

We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.

2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov@wikimedia.org
<mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:

    I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
    expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until
    Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the
    content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact
    Northern Luri?  Or is the committee taking any steps to
    secure such testimony?

       A.

    On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
    <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
    <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Hoi,
        Reading an article does not make us an expert.
        Thanks,
             GerardM

        On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
        <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri:
            How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original
            link
            <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
            you can see on the figure #2, said
            "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect
            and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
            Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west
            of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main
            area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects
            is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language
            (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the
            figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you
            can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and
            "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz])
            as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares the
            example differences between these languages.



            On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

...

            As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we
            need an outside scholar / linguist / language
            expert for verification purposes. Any useful
            bona-fide contacts?

            On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

            This
            <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
            is the list of top articles was provided by
            Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this
            wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I
            didn't see that.

            On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

            Yes.

            On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi, > A longstanding requirement for any and all > languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3 > code and, that they are a language not a macro > language. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr > <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is no such thing as they are a > resources of world's languages, people are > the resources and they only maintainer code, > the unified codes that the world uses. Is > there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet? > > > On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the >> ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr >> <mjbmri@gmail.com >> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You're right, I can't trust a self >> verification too, but what do you >> expect me do to?, you can probably find >> a lot of trustable resources on the >> Internet, I my self can't even trust >> ethnologue, because I found unuseful >> information on it and I don't know >> where they come from, at least in >> Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't >> expect that from you. >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen >> wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. >>> It has never been. Again, self >>> certification does not work for me.. >>> We have been hurt by that before. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr >>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Alright then, that's Northern >>> Luri, fair enough, I didn't have >>> any knowledge that there is a >>> southern dialect of it and people >>> of Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and >>> Yasuj speak that, I only knew >>> Lorestan, but per English >>> wikipedia, they're dialects of >>> Northern Luri which this wiki is >>> written in. >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard >>> Meijssen wrote: >>>> Hoi, >>>> Check this out ... >>>> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>> >>>> It rather complicates things... >>>> By the way self certification is >>>> not a good idea. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr >>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and >>>> I know some parts of this >>>> language, it is definitely >>>> Luri. Mohammad Mogoei >>>> (User:Mogoeilor) the most >>>> active user of this project >>>> is from Lorestan so >>>> definitely he speaks in this >>>> language every day. In Iran >>>> it's called Luri, some people >>>> call it Lurish >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>>> as the translation for >>>> English, per this >>>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >>>> the language should be called >>>> Northern Luri, but none of it >>>> dialects are called Luri, so >>>> I call it Luri too. I have >>>> also submitted and now >>>> accepted a ticket to CLDR to >>>> support this language. Other >>>> proposal of dialects of this >>>> language like Bakhtiari >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>>> failed because of being a >>>> part of this language. Also >>>> they list of article I've >>>> just provided are the best of >>>> them as you can see there are >>>> no Persian words in them. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard >>>> Meijssen wrote: >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> Do we have confirmation that >>>>> it is indeed Luri ? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Gerard >>>>> >>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, >>>>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I ask langcom members >>>>> for approval of Luri >>>>> Wikipedia, >>>>> >>>>> here are some top >>>>> articles I could list, >>>>> but there are more of them >>>>> >>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>>>> (Colombia) >>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Analysis >>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>>> shows that this project >>>>> has enough users and >>>>> most of mediawiki >>>>> message >>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>>> been translated. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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Idk, why you guys are ignoring then?

On 5/1/2015 11:10 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

If he has been contributing to the Northern Luri Wikipedia, he would not be our preferred person to go to for verification. Verification should be done by someone not connected to wikipedia, i.e. an outsider who could look at the wiki articles through an unbiased lens. And anyway, before we can take the step towards verification, we first have to agree that Northern Luri Wikipedia has fulfilled all requirements prior to the step of verification. I would hope that one of the LangCom members could summarise Northern Luri's progress again for computationally challenged folks like me.

Thanks, Oliver

On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

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See here https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor, it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the verification.

On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the Internet only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian) about Luri languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor), it seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a university professor and he has PhD, and he has been contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name User:‏Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification.

On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

...

Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us.

Fwiw, Oliver

On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:

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Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?

A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com> wrote:

We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.

2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov@wikimedia.org
<mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:

    I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
    expectation of this committee that nothing will happen
    until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming
    that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia
    is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any
    steps to secure such testimony?

       A.

    On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
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    <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Hoi,
        Reading an article does not make us an expert.
        Thanks,
             GerardM

        On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
        <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri:
            How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original
            link
            <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
            you can see on the figure #2, said
            "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect
            and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
            Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown
            west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is
            the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on
            these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands
            for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the
            figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri
            (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi)
            dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad"
            (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to
            #197 you can compares the example differences
            between these languages.



            On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

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            As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi,
            we need an outside scholar / linguist / language
            expert for verification purposes. Any useful
            bona-fide contacts?

            On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

> This > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1 > is the list of top articles was provided by > Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this > wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and > I didn't see that. > > On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote: >> Yes. >> >> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> A longstanding requirement for any and all >>> languages is that they have to have an >>> ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language >>> not a macro language. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr >>> <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> There is no such thing as they are a >>> resources of world's languages, people are >>> the resources and they only maintainer >>> code, the unified codes that the world >>> uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri >>> Wikipedia yet? >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>> Hoi, >>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the >>>> ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr >>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You're right, I can't trust a self >>>> verification too, but what do you >>>> expect me do to?, you can probably >>>> find a lot of trustable resources on >>>> the Internet, I my self can't even >>>> trust ethnologue, because I found >>>> unuseful information on it and I >>>> don't know where they come from, at >>>> least in Wikipedia, we have >>>> resources, I didn't expect that from >>>> you. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an >>>>> authority. It has never been. Again, >>>>> self certification does not work for >>>>> me.. We have been hurt by that before. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr >>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Alright then, that's Northern >>>>> Luri, fair enough, I didn't have >>>>> any knowledge that there is a >>>>> southern dialect of it and >>>>> people of Kohgiluyeh and >>>>> Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak >>>>> that, I only knew Lorestan, but >>>>> per English wikipedia, they're >>>>> dialects of Northern Luri which >>>>> this wiki is written in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard >>>>> Meijssen wrote: >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> Check this out ... >>>>>> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>>>> >>>>>> It rather complicates things... >>>>>> By the way self certification >>>>>> is not a good idea. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, >>>>>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran >>>>>> and I know some parts of >>>>>> this language, it is >>>>>> definitely Luri. Mohammad >>>>>> Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the >>>>>> most active user of this >>>>>> project is from Lorestan so >>>>>> definitely he speaks in >>>>>> this language every day. In >>>>>> Iran it's called Luri, some >>>>>> people call it Lurish >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>>>>> as the translation for >>>>>> English, per this >>>>>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >>>>>> the language should be >>>>>> called Northern Luri, but >>>>>> none of it dialects are >>>>>> called Luri, so I call it >>>>>> Luri too. I have also >>>>>> submitted and now accepted >>>>>> a ticket to CLDR to support >>>>>> this language. Other >>>>>> proposal of dialects of >>>>>> this language like >>>>>> Bakhtiari >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>>>>> failed because of being a >>>>>> part of this language. Also >>>>>> they list of article I've >>>>>> just provided are the best >>>>>> of them as you can see >>>>>> there are no Persian words >>>>>> in them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, >>>>>> Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>> Do we have confirmation >>>>>>> that it is indeed Luri ? >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Gerard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, >>>>>>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I ask langcom members >>>>>>> for approval of Luri >>>>>>> Wikipedia, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> here are some top >>>>>>> articles I could list, >>>>>>> but there are more of them >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>>>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>>>>>> (Colombia) >>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>>>>> (List of rulers of >>>>>>> Elam) >>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Analysis >>>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>>>>> shows that this >>>>>>> project has enough >>>>>>> users and most of >>>>>>> mediawiki message >>>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>>>>> been translated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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Hoi, I am fine with it Gerard

On 1 May 2015 at 20:52, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

Good luck with finding one "outsider".

On 5/1/2015 11:12 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

Idk, why you guys are ignoring then?

On 5/1/2015 11:10 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

If he has been contributing to the Northern Luri Wikipedia, he would not be our preferred person to go to for verification. Verification should be done by someone not connected to wikipedia, i.e. an outsider who could look at the wiki articles through an unbiased lens. And anyway, before we can take the step towards verification, we first have to agree that Northern Luri Wikipedia has fulfilled all requirements prior to the step of verification. I would hope that one of the LangCom members could summarise Northern Luri's progress again for computationally challenged folks like me.

Thanks, Oliver

On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

See here https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor, it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the verification.

On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the Internet only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian) about Luri languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor), it seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a university professor and he has PhD, and he has been contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name User:‏Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification.

On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us.

Fwiw, Oliver

On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:

Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?

A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:

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We obviously discuss

1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.

Then we contact people.

2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:

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I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such testimony?

A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hoi, Reading an article does not make us an expert. Thanks, GerardM

On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

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Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf, you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares the example differences between these languages.

On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?

On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

This https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1 is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't see that.

On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:

Yes.

On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro language. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

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There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?

On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do > you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable resources on > the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found > unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at least > in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you. > > > On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > Hoi, > Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, > self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that before. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: > >> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have any >> knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of Kohgiluyeh >> and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew Lorestan, but per >> English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this wiki is >> written in. >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> >> Hoi, >> Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >> >> It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is >> not a good idea. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this language, >>> it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most active >>> user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks in this >>> language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it >>> Lurish >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>> as the translation for English, per this >>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc the >>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are called >>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a >>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects of this >>> language like Bakhtiari >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of article >>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no Persian >>> words in them. >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>> >>> Hoi, >>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? >>> Thanks, >>> Gerard >>> >>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia, >>>> >>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of >>>> them >>>> >>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 ( >>>> Colombia) >>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>> >>>> >>>> Analysis >>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>> shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki >>>> message >>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>> been translated. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >

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@Oliver: My opinion is he means he is OK with the professor I just introduced.

With all do respects Oliver, this professor even has a bad English than me, he has spent all his life on learning about Luri languages, at least what I understand from my own research, btw you should come and meet him.

On 5/2/2015 1:06 AM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

Sorry, Gerard, for probably annoying you but you're fine with *what*? Finding an outsider? Summarising N.Luri's progress for me?

On 01-May-15 10:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

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Hoi, I am fine with it Gerard

On 1 May 2015 at 20:52, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:

Good luck with finding one "outsider".


On 5/1/2015 11:12 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

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Idk, why you guys are ignoring then?

On 5/1/2015 11:10 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

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If he has been contributing to the Northern Luri Wikipedia, he
would not be our preferred person to go to for verification.
Verification should be done by someone not connected to
wikipedia, i.e. an outsider who could look at the wiki articles
through an unbiased lens.
And anyway, before we can take the step towards verification,
we first have to agree that Northern Luri Wikipedia has
fulfilled all requirements prior to the step of verification. I
would hope that one of the LangCom members could summarise
Northern Luri's progress again for computationally challenged
folks like me.

Thanks,
Oliver

On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

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See here
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor>,
it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the
verification.

On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

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After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the
Internet only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza
Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː
mehɾɒːmuːz
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian>) about
Luri languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei
(User:Mogoeilor), it seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a
university professor and he has PhD, and he has been
contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name
User:‏Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification.

On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

> Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled > the requirements for leaving the incubator? > If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable > reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a > linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've > concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see > whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he > could recommend someone else to do so for us. > > Fwiw, > Oliver > > On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote: >> Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an >> owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure >> that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual >> progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks? >> >> A. >> >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg >> <mfwarburg@googlemail.com >> mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> We obviously discuss >> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content >> at all >> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already >> 3. if no, whom to contact. >> Then we contact people. >> >> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov >> <abartov@wikimedia.org mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>: >> >> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the >> expectation of this committee that nothing will >> happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony >> confirming that the content currently in the >> Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? >> Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such >> testimony? >> >> A. >> >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen >> <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com >> mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hoi, >> Reading an article does not make us an expert. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr >> <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Here's the article I found titled "Update >> on Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John >> Anonby: original link >> http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf, >> you can see on the figure #2, said >> "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main >> dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other >> dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the >> figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, >> said "Lurestani" is the main area of >> Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these >> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands >> for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area >> on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of >> Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see >> the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and >> "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern >> Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 >> you can compares the example differences >> between these languages. >> >> >> >> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote: >>> As I mentioned also concerning Western >>> Balochi, we need an outside scholar / >>> linguist / language expert for >>> verification purposes. Any useful >>> bona-fide contacts? >>> >>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>> This >>>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1 >>>> is the list of top articles was provided >>>> by Mogoeilor, even he named the language >>>> of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their >>>> main page, and I didn't see that. >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>>> Yes. >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and >>>>>> all languages is that they have to have >>>>>> an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a >>>>>> language not a macro language. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr >>>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no such thing as they are >>>>>> a resources of world's languages, >>>>>> people are the resources and they >>>>>> only maintainer code, the unified >>>>>> codes that the world uses. Is there >>>>>> any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia >>>>>> yet? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard >>>>>> Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of >>>>>>> the ISO-639-3. As such they are an >>>>>>> authority. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr >>>>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a >>>>>>> self verification too, but >>>>>>> what do you expect me do to?, >>>>>>> you can probably find a lot of >>>>>>> trustable resources on the >>>>>>> Internet, I my self can't even >>>>>>> trust ethnologue, because I >>>>>>> found unuseful information on >>>>>>> it and I don't know where they >>>>>>> come from, at least in >>>>>>> Wikipedia, we have resources, >>>>>>> I didn't expect that from you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard >>>>>>> Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an >>>>>>>> authority. It has never been. >>>>>>>> Again, self certification >>>>>>>> does not work for me.. We >>>>>>>> have been hurt by that before. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, >>>>>>>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alright then, that's >>>>>>>> Northern Luri, fair >>>>>>>> enough, I didn't have any >>>>>>>> knowledge that there is a >>>>>>>> southern dialect of it >>>>>>>> and people of Kohgiluyeh >>>>>>>> and Boyerahmadi, and >>>>>>>> Yasuj speak that, I only >>>>>>>> knew Lorestan, but per >>>>>>>> English wikipedia, >>>>>>>> they're dialects of >>>>>>>> Northern Luri which this >>>>>>>> wiki is written in. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, >>>>>>>> Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>>> Check this out ... >>>>>>>>> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It rather complicates >>>>>>>>> things... By the way >>>>>>>>> self certification is >>>>>>>>> not a good idea. >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at >>>>>>>>> 22:45, Mjbmr >>>>>>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live >>>>>>>>> Iran and I know some >>>>>>>>> parts of this >>>>>>>>> language, it is >>>>>>>>> definitely Luri. >>>>>>>>> Mohammad Mogoei >>>>>>>>> (User:Mogoeilor) the >>>>>>>>> most active user of >>>>>>>>> this project is from >>>>>>>>> Lorestan so >>>>>>>>> definitely he speaks >>>>>>>>> in this language >>>>>>>>> every day. In Iran >>>>>>>>> it's called Luri, >>>>>>>>> some people call it >>>>>>>>> Lurish >>>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>>>>>>>> as the translation >>>>>>>>> for English, per >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >>>>>>>>> the language should >>>>>>>>> be called Northern >>>>>>>>> Luri, but none of it >>>>>>>>> dialects are called >>>>>>>>> Luri, so I call it >>>>>>>>> Luri too. I have >>>>>>>>> also submitted and >>>>>>>>> now accepted a >>>>>>>>> ticket to CLDR to >>>>>>>>> support this >>>>>>>>> language. Other >>>>>>>>> proposal of dialects >>>>>>>>> of this language >>>>>>>>> like Bakhtiari >>>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>>>>>>>> failed because of >>>>>>>>> being a part of this >>>>>>>>> language. Also they >>>>>>>>> list of article I've >>>>>>>>> just provided are >>>>>>>>> the best of them as >>>>>>>>> you can see there >>>>>>>>> are no Persian words >>>>>>>>> in them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 >>>>>>>>> AM, Gerard Meijssen >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>>>> Do we have >>>>>>>>>> confirmation that >>>>>>>>>> it is indeed Luri ? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Gerard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at >>>>>>>>>> 20:42, Mjbmr >>>>>>>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I ask langcom >>>>>>>>>> members for >>>>>>>>>> approval of >>>>>>>>>> Luri Wikipedia, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> here are some >>>>>>>>>> top articles I >>>>>>>>>> could list, but >>>>>>>>>> there are more >>>>>>>>>> of them >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت >>>>>>>>>> انیشتین >>>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>>>>>>>> (Albert >>>>>>>>>> Einstein) >>>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>>>>>>>>> (Colombia) >>>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>>>>>>>> (Mostafa >>>>>>>>>> Chamran) >>>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>>>>>>>> (List of >>>>>>>>>> rulers of Elam) >>>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس >>>>>>>>>> فوئنتس >>>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>>>>>>>> (Carlos >>>>>>>>>> Fuentes) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Analysis >>>>>>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>>>>>>>> shows that this >>>>>>>>>> project has >>>>>>>>>> enough users >>>>>>>>>> and most of >>>>>>>>>> mediawiki >>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>>>>>>>> been translated. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 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Thanks,

I have written to Erik Anonby (the author of the most recent linguistic article on Northern Luri: "Update on Luri: How many languages?" published by the Cambridge /Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society/ in 2003) asking him whether he is sufficiently well-versed in Northern Luri to verify the content on the incubator, or if not, whether he could suggest someone else.

Oliver

On 03-May-15 10:00 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Sorry, I am fine with having a Northern Luri project. I would like it to be started in Wikidata asap and I do want an external expert, I am happy when one is suggested to us. Thanks, Gerard

On 1 May 2015 at 22:36, Oliver Stegen <info@oliverstegen.net mailto:info@oliverstegen.net> wrote:

Sorry, Gerard, for probably annoying you but you're fine with *what*?
Finding an outsider? Summarising N.Luri's progress for me?


On 01-May-15 10:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

Hoi,
I am fine with it
Gerard

On 1 May 2015 at 20:52, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Good luck with finding one "outsider".


    On 5/1/2015 11:12 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

    Idk, why you guys are ignoring then?

    On 5/1/2015 11:10 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

...

    If he has been contributing to the Northern Luri Wikipedia,
    he would not be our preferred person to go to for
    verification. Verification should be done by someone not
    connected to wikipedia, i.e. an outsider who could look at
    the wiki articles through an unbiased lens.
    And anyway, before we can take the step towards
    verification, we first have to agree that Northern Luri
    Wikipedia has fulfilled all requirements prior to the step
    of verification. I would hope that one of the LangCom
    members could summarise Northern Luri's progress again for
    computationally challenged folks like me.

    Thanks,
    Oliver

    On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

    See here
    <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor>,
    it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the
    verification.

    On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

    After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the
    Internet only written in Persian by a person named
    Gholamreza Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز,
    pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian>)
    about Luri languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei
    (User:Mogoeilor), it seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is
    a university professor and he has PhD, and he has been
    contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name
    User:‏Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification.

    On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

> Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri > fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? > If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable > reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a > linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've > concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see > whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether > he could recommend someone else to do so for us. > > Fwiw, > Oliver >

Khorramabad is the capital of Lorestan province and has the most population, Khorramabadi dialect is the most common dialect in Northern Luri and because of existent of several dialects in Northern Luri, locals are agree with using this dialect and yes there are more verbs like Persian. I would like to ask other members to vote for the approval.

On 5/5/2015 12:23 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

Please find below the relevant part of Erik Anonby's response. For privacy reasons, I've taken out the email address he mentions. I'm actually happy to consider Erik's evaluation as sufficient verification and would vote to approve the lrc-wp request. If the majority of you, however, would prefer further and more detailed verification, I'll write to Mehdi Moshkriz. Let me know.

Oliver

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from Erik Anonby's reply:

"I know Bakhtiari and Southern Luri a lot better than Northern Luri – most of my knowledge of N Luri is lexicon and phonology rather than whole texts. But from looking at several articles, it looks well-enough written to me. There are some quirky orthographic things (like splitting the –e “is” / direct object suffix) off of words, but many fewer issues than a lot of the other homemade scripts I’ve seen used for Luri. The author is also using Khorramabadi dialect, which is the central dialect but heavily influenced by Persian and not typical of the language as a whole. He could still use this dialect but with a bit of accommodation to the language as a whole; for example, it’s a bit of a shame he doesn’t use Luri verb prefixes like present/continuous i- (which is used pretty much everywhere other than in Khorramabad) rather than Khorramabadi mi- (which is from Persian). Two scholars who could verify the content (naturalness, spelling, etc.) better than me are: Sekandar Amanollahi (retired; I don’t have his contact info) Mehdi Moshkriz (at Iranshahr University until recently; his email is [...]) Mehdi is very nice and could probably put you in touch with many other Luri scholars, too, to check the articles."

On 03-May-15 7:29 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

...

Thanks,

I have written to Erik Anonby (the author of the most recent linguistic article on Northern Luri: "Update on Luri: How many languages?" published by the Cambridge /Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society/ in 2003) asking him whether he is sufficiently well-versed in Northern Luri to verify the content on the incubator, or if not, whether he could suggest someone else.

Oliver

On 03-May-15 10:00 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

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Hoi, Sorry, I am fine with having a Northern Luri project. I would like it to be started in Wikidata asap and I do want an external expert, I am happy when one is suggested to us. Thanks, Gerard

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If Anonby thinks that it's a shame Lurish must use more old Lurish verbs that new driven from Persian verbs, then we should start speaking in Old English. btw Mohammad Mogoei (Mogoeilor) is native Northeren Luri from capital of Lurestan province and he knows all dialects of Luri language including Southern and Bakhtiari.

On 5/6/2015 8:00 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:

I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an eligible language, but it seems like there is no issue with it. II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on Incubator are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by Mogoeilor, who should use preview more often, but also contributions from other users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the 10-edit-threshold [2]. III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi Moshkriz for their opinion on that?

[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc [2] https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#distribution_201505

2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <info@oliverstegen.net mailto:info@oliverstegen.net>:

Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the
requirements for leaving the incubator?
If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference?
I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics
conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd
be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify
Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so
for us.

Fwiw,
Oliver


On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:

...

Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to
the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case
of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3,
so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?

   A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
<mfwarburg@googlemail.com <mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>> wrote:

    We obviously discuss
    1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
    2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
    3. if no, whom to contact.
    Then we contact people.

    2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov@wikimedia.org
    <mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:

        I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
        expectation of this committee that nothing will happen
        until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming
        that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia
        is in fact Northern Luri?  Or is the committee taking any
        steps to secure such testimony?

           A.

        On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
        <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
        <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Hoi,
            Reading an article does not make us an expert.
            Thanks,
                 GerardM

            On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
            <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

                Here's the article I found titled "Update on
                Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby:
                original link
                <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
                you can see on the figure #2, said
                "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect
                and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
                Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown
                west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is
                the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on
                these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands
                for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the
                figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern
                Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari"
                (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad"
                (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to
                #197 you can compares the example differences
                between these languages.



                On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

...

                As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi,
                we need an outside scholar / linguist / language
                expert for verification purposes. Any useful
                bona-fide contacts?

                On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

                This
                <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
                is the list of top articles was provided by
                Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this
                wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page,
                and I didn't see that.

                On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

                Yes.

                On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

...

                Hoi,
                A longstanding requirement for any and all
                languages is that they have to have an
                ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language
                not a macro language.
                Thanks,
                 GerardM

                On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
                <mjbmri@gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
                wrote:

                    There is no such thing as they are a
                    resources of world's languages, people
                    are the resources and they only
                    maintainer code, the unified codes that
                    the world uses. Is there any confirmation
                    of Luri Wikipedia yet?


                    On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi, > Ethnologue is the maintainer of the > ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr > <mjbmri@gmail.com > mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: > > You're right, I can't trust a self > verification too, but what do you > expect me do to?, you can probably > find a lot of trustable resources on > the Internet, I my self can't even > trust ethnologue, because I found > unuseful information on it and I > don't know where they come from, at > least in Wikipedia, we have > resources, I didn't expect that from > you. > > > On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard > Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> Wikipedia is in this not an >> authority. It has never been. >> Again, self certification does not >> work for me.. We have been hurt by >> that before. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr >> <mjbmri@gmail.com >> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Alright then, that's Northern >> Luri, fair enough, I didn't >> have any knowledge that there >> is a southern dialect of it and >> people of Kohgiluyeh and >> Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak >> that, I only knew Lorestan, but >> per English wikipedia, they're >> dialects of Northern Luri which >> this wiki is written in. >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard >> Meijssen wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Check this out ... >>> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>> >>> It rather complicates >>> things... By the way self >>> certification is not a good idea. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, >>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran >>> and I know some parts of >>> this language, it is >>> definitely Luri. Mohammad >>> Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) >>> the most active user of >>> this project is from >>> Lorestan so definitely he >>> speaks in this language >>> every day. In Iran it's >>> called Luri, some people >>> call it Lurish >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>> as the translation for >>> English, per this >>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >>> the language should be >>> called Northern Luri, but >>> none of it dialects are >>> called Luri, so I call it >>> Luri too. I have also >>> submitted and now accepted >>> a ticket to CLDR to >>> support this language. >>> Other proposal of dialects >>> of this language like >>> Bakhtiari >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>> failed because of being a >>> part of this language. >>> Also they list of article >>> I've just provided are the >>> best of them as you can >>> see there are no Persian >>> words in them. >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, >>> Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>> Hoi, >>>> Do we have confirmation >>>> that it is indeed Luri ? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Gerard >>>> >>>> On 24 April 2015 at >>>> 20:42, Mjbmr >>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I ask langcom members >>>> for approval of Luri >>>> Wikipedia, >>>> >>>> here are some top >>>> articles I could >>>> list, but there are >>>> more of them >>>> >>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>>> (Colombia) >>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>> (List of rulers >>>> of Elam) >>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>> >>>> >>>> Analysis >>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>> shows that this >>>> project has enough >>>> users and most of >>>> mediawiki message >>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>> been translated. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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Hoi, Please do not be unnecessarily negative.. Preferences are just that. Thanks, Gere

On 6 May 2015 at 17:49, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

If Anonby thinks that it's a shame Lurish must use more old Lurish verbs that new driven from Persian verbs, then we should start speaking in Old English. btw Mohammad Mogoei (Mogoeilor) is native Northeren Luri from capital of Lurestan province and he knows all dialects of Luri language including Southern and Bakhtiari.

On 5/6/2015 8:00 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:

I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an eligible language, but it seems like there is no issue with it. II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on Incubator are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by Mogoeilor, who should use preview more often, but also contributions from other users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the 10-edit-threshold [2]. III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi Moshkriz for their opinion on that?

[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc [2] < https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&...

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2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net:

...

Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us.

Fwiw, Oliver

On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:

Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?

A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:

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We obviously discuss

1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.

Then we contact people.

2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:

...

I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such testimony?

A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hoi, Reading an article does not make us an expert. Thanks, GerardM

On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

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Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf, you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares the example differences between these languages.

On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?

On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

This https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1 is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't see that.

On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:

Yes.

On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro language. Thanks, GerardM

On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

> There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's > languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the > unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri > Wikipedia yet? > > > On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > Hoi, > Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an > authority. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: > >> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do >> you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable resources on >> the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found >> unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at least >> in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you. >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> >> Hoi, >> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, >> self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that before. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have >>> any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of >>> Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew Lorestan, but >>> per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this wiki is >>> written in. >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>> >>> Hoi, >>> Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>> >>> It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is >>> not a good idea. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this >>>> language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most >>>> active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks in >>>> this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it >>>> Lurish >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>>> as the translation for English, per this >>>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc the >>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are called >>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a >>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects of this >>>> language like Bakhtiari >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of article >>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no Persian >>>> words in them. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Gerard >>>> >>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia, >>>>> >>>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of >>>>> them >>>>> >>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 ( >>>>> Colombia) >>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Analysis >>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>>> shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki >>>>> message >>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>>> been translated. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >

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Hoi, Non-members may be asked to shut up. Members vote, their opinion counts. Thanks, GerardM

On 6 May 2015 at 18:56, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

I have rights to speak and give my opinion whether you like it not. You're not locals, I'm sharing my knowledge.

On 5/6/2015 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:

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I would appreciate it if non-members could be reserved in throwing

around their own expertise and dismissing linguists' opinions, if they are not themselves experts in this field.

On 5/6/2015 9:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Please do not be unnecessarily negative.. Preferences are just that. Thanks, Gere

On 6 May 2015 at 17:49, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

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If Anonby thinks that it's a shame Lurish must use more old Lurish verbs that new driven from Persian verbs, then we should start speaking in Old English. btw Mohammad Mogoei (Mogoeilor) is native Northeren Luri from capital of Lurestan province and he knows all dialects of Luri language including Southern and Bakhtiari.

On 5/6/2015 8:00 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:

I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an eligible language, but it seems like there is no issue with it. II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on Incubator are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by Mogoeilor, who should use preview more often, but also contributions from other users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the 10-edit-threshold [2]. III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi Moshkriz for their opinion on that?

[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc [2] < https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&...

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2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net:

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Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us.

Fwiw, Oliver

On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:

Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?

A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:

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We obviously discuss

1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.

Then we contact people.

2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:

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I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such testimony?

A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hoi, Reading an article does not make us an expert. Thanks, GerardM

On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote:

> Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many > languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link > http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf, > you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the > main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri > (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said > "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these > dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and > "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) > dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and > "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can > compares the example differences between these languages. > > > > On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote: > > As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside > scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful > bona-fide contacts? > > On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote: > > This > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1 > is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the > language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't > see that. > > On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote: > > Yes. > > On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > Hoi, > A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they > have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro > language. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: > >> There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's >> languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the >> unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri >> Wikipedia yet? >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> >> Hoi, >> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an >> authority. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do >>> you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable resources on >>> the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found >>> unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at least >>> in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you. >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>> >>> Hoi, >>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, >>> self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that before. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have >>>> any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of >>>> Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew Lorestan, but >>>> per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this wiki is >>>> written in. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>> >>>> It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is >>>> not a good idea. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this >>>>> language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most >>>>> active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks in >>>>> this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it >>>>> Lurish >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>>>> as the translation for English, per this >>>>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc the >>>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are called >>>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a >>>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects of this >>>>> language like Bakhtiari >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>>>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of article >>>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no Persian >>>>> words in them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Gerard >>>>> >>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr mjbmri@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia, >>>>>> >>>>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of >>>>>> them >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 ( >>>>>> Colombia) >>>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>>>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Analysis >>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>>>> shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki >>>>>> message >>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>>>> been translated. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >

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You can simply ignore comments you don't like instead of showing nice of you.

On 5/6/2015 10:00 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Non-members may be asked to shut up. Members vote, their opinion counts. Thanks, GerardM

On 6 May 2015 at 18:56, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:

I have rights to speak and give my opinion whether you like it
not. You're not locals, I'm sharing my knowledge.

On 5/6/2015 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:
> I would appreciate it if non-members could be reserved in
throwing around their own expertise and dismissing linguists'
opinions, if they are not themselves experts in this field.

On 5/6/2015 9:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

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Hoi,
Please do not be unnecessarily negative.. Preferences are just that.
Thanks,
    Gere

On 6 May 2015 at 17:49, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

    If Anonby thinks that it's a shame Lurish must use more old
    Lurish verbs that new driven from Persian verbs, then we
    should start speaking in Old English. btw Mohammad Mogoei
    (Mogoeilor) is native Northeren Luri from capital of Lurestan
    province and he knows all dialects of Luri language including
    Southern and Bakhtiari.


    On 5/6/2015 8:00 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:

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    I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is
    an eligible language, but it seems like there is no issue
    with it.
    II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] &
    contributions on Incubator are steady since >12 months
    (thousands of small edits always by Mogoeilor, who should
    use preview more often, but also contributions from other
    users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the
    10-edit-threshold [2].
    III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming"
    the peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of
    the language who do not use this particular dialect. Should
    we maybe ask him or Mehdi Moshkriz for their opinion on that?


    [1] <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>
    [2]
    <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#distribution_201505>

    2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen
    <info@oliverstegen.net <mailto:info@oliverstegen.net>>:

        Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri
        fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator?
        If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable
        reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a
        linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've
        concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see
        whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether
        he could recommend someone else to do so for us.

        Fwiw,
        Oliver


        On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:

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        Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable.  Is there an
        owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to
        ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there
        is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall
        between the cracks?

           A.

        On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
        <mfwarburg@googlemail.com
        <mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>> wrote:

            We obviously discuss
            1. whether at this stage we need to verify the
            content at all
            2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
            3. if no, whom to contact.
            Then we contact people.

            2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov
            <abartov@wikimedia.org <mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:

                I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it
                the expectation of this committee that nothing
                will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert
                testimony confirming that the content currently
                in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact
                Northern Luri?  Or is the committee taking any
                steps to secure such testimony?

                   A.

                On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard
                Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
                <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote:

                    Hoi,
                    Reading an article does not make us an expert.
                    Thanks,
                         GerardM

                    On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr
                    <mjbmri@gmail.com
                    <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:

                        Here's the article I found titled
                        "Update on Luri: How many languages?"
                        by Erik John Anonby: original link
                        <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
                        you can see on the figure #2, said
                        "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the
                        main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is
                        the other dialect of Northern Luri
                        (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west
                        of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani"
                        is the main area of Northern Luri
                        (lrc), lower on these dialects is
                        "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki
                        language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the
                        figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of
                        Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can
                        see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and
                        "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad"
                        (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages
                        #186 to #197 you can compares the
                        example differences between these
                        languages.



                        On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:

...

                        As I mentioned also concerning Western
                        Balochi, we need an outside scholar /
                        linguist / language expert for
                        verification purposes. Any useful
                        bona-fide contacts?

                        On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:

...

                        This
                        <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
                        is the list of top articles was
                        provided by Mogoeilor, even he named
                        the language of this wikipedia,
                        Northern Luri on their main page, and
                        I didn't see that.

                        On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:

> Yes. > > On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard > Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> A longstanding requirement for any >> and all languages is that they have >> to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that >> they are a language not a macro >> language. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr >> <mjbmri@gmail.com >> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> There is no such thing as they >> are a resources of world's >> languages, people are the >> resources and they only >> maintainer code, the unified >> codes that the world uses. Is >> there any confirmation of Luri >> Wikipedia yet? >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard >> Meijssen wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Ethnologue is the maintainer >>> of the ISO-639-3. As such they >>> are an authority. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, >>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You're right, I can't >>> trust a self verification >>> too, but what do you >>> expect me do to?, you can >>> probably find a lot of >>> trustable resources on the >>> Internet, I my self can't >>> even trust ethnologue, >>> because I found unuseful >>> information on it and I >>> don't know where they come >>> from, at least in >>> Wikipedia, we have >>> resources, I didn't expect >>> that from you. >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, >>> Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>> Hoi, >>>> Wikipedia is in this not >>>> an authority. It has >>>> never been. Again, self >>>> certification does not >>>> work for me.. We have >>>> been hurt by that before. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 25 April 2015 at >>>> 00:03, Mjbmr >>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Alright then, that's >>>> Northern Luri, fair >>>> enough, I didn't have >>>> any knowledge that >>>> there is a southern >>>> dialect of it and >>>> people of Kohgiluyeh >>>> and Boyerahmadi, and >>>> Yasuj speak that, I >>>> only knew Lorestan, >>>> but per English >>>> wikipedia, they're >>>> dialects of Northern >>>> Luri which this wiki >>>> is written in. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, >>>> Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> Check this out ... >>>>> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>>> >>>>> It rather >>>>> complicates >>>>> things... By the way >>>>> self certification >>>>> is not a good idea. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 24 April 2015 at >>>>> 22:45, Mjbmr >>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes. 100%, as I >>>>> live Iran and I >>>>> know some parts >>>>> of this >>>>> language, it is >>>>> definitely Luri. >>>>> Mohammad Mogoei >>>>> (User:Mogoeilor) >>>>> the most active >>>>> user of this >>>>> project is from >>>>> Lorestan so >>>>> definitely he >>>>> speaks in this >>>>> language every >>>>> day. In Iran >>>>> it's called >>>>> Luri, some >>>>> people call it >>>>> Lurish >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>>>> as the >>>>> translation for >>>>> English, per >>>>> this >>>>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >>>>> the language >>>>> should be called >>>>> Northern Luri, >>>>> but none of it >>>>> dialects are >>>>> called Luri, so >>>>> I call it Luri >>>>> too. I have also >>>>> submitted and >>>>> now accepted a >>>>> ticket to CLDR >>>>> to support this >>>>> language. Other >>>>> proposal of >>>>> dialects of this >>>>> language like >>>>> Bakhtiari >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>>>> failed because >>>>> of being a part >>>>> of this >>>>> language. Also >>>>> they list of >>>>> article I've >>>>> just provided >>>>> are the best of >>>>> them as you can >>>>> see there are no >>>>> Persian words in >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/2015 >>>>> 12:37 AM, Gerard >>>>> Meijssen wrote: >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> Do we have >>>>>> confirmation >>>>>> that it is >>>>>> indeed Luri ? >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Gerard >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24 April >>>>>> 2015 at 20:42, >>>>>> Mjbmr >>>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I ask >>>>>> langcom >>>>>> members for >>>>>> approval of >>>>>> Luri Wikipedia, >>>>>> >>>>>> here are >>>>>> some top >>>>>> articles I >>>>>> could list, >>>>>> but there >>>>>> are more of >>>>>> them >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. استیو >>>>>> جابز >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>>>> (Steve >>>>>> Jobs) >>>>>> 2. آلورت >>>>>> انیشتین >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>>>> (Albert >>>>>> Einstein) >>>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>>>>> (Colombia) >>>>>> 4. شهید >>>>>> چمران >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>>>> 5. شایا >>>>>> عیلامی >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>>>> (List >>>>>> of >>>>>> rulers >>>>>> of Elam) >>>>>> 6. کارلوس >>>>>> فوئنتس >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>>>> (Carlos >>>>>> Fuentes) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Analysis >>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>>>> shows that >>>>>> this >>>>>> project has >>>>>> enough >>>>>> users and >>>>>> most of >>>>>> mediawiki >>>>>> message >>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>>>> been >>>>>> translated. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom >>>>>> mailing list >>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >

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I've written to Mehdi Moshkriz and will keep you posted once I have received his reply. Best wishes, Oliver

On 06-May-15 6:30 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:

I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an eligible language, but it seems like there is no issue with it. II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on Incubator are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by Mogoeilor, who should use preview more often, but also contributions from other users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the 10-edit-threshold [2]. III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi Moshkriz for their opinion on that?

[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc [2] https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#distribution_201505

2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <info@oliverstegen.net mailto:info@oliverstegen.net>:

Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the
requirements for leaving the incubator?
If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference?
I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics
conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd
be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify
Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so
for us.

Fwiw,
Oliver


On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:

...

Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to
the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case
of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3,
so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?

   A.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
<mfwarburg@googlemail.com <mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>> wrote:

    We obviously discuss
    1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
    2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
    3. if no, whom to contact.
    Then we contact people.

    2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov@wikimedia.org
    <mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:

        I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
        expectation of this committee that nothing will happen
        until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming
        that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia
        is in fact Northern Luri?  Or is the committee taking any
        steps to secure such testimony?

           A.