If he has been contributing to the Northern
Luri Wikipedia, he
would not be our preferred person to go to for verification.
Verification should be done by someone not connected to
wikipedia, i.e. an outsider who could look at the wiki articles
through an unbiased lens.
And anyway, before we can take the step towards verification, we
first have to agree that Northern Luri Wikipedia has fulfilled
all requirements prior to the step of verification. I would hope
that one of the LangCom members could summarise Northern Luri's
progress again for computationally challenged folks like me.
Thanks,
Oliver
On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
See here
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor>,
it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the
verification.
On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
> After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the
> Internet only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza
> Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː
> mehɾɒːmuːz
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian>) about
> Luri languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei
> (User:Mogoeilor), it seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a
> university professor and he has PhD, and he has been
> contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name
> User:Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification.
>
> On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>> Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled
>> the requirements for leaving the incubator?
>> If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable
>> reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a
>> linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've
>> concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether
>> he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could
>> recommend someone else to do so for us.
>>
>> Fwiw,
>> Oliver
>>
>> On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>>> Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner
>>> to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that
>>> in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress
>>> toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
>>> <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com <mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We obviously discuss
>>> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content
>>> at all
>>> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
>>> 3. if no, whom to contact.
>>> Then we contact people.
>>>
>>> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov
>>> <abartov(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:
>>>
>>> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
>>> expectation of this committee that nothing will
>>> happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony
>>> confirming that the content currently in the
>>> Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri?
>>> Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such
>>> testimony?
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
>>> <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
>>> <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> Reading an article does not make us an expert.
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr
>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the article I found titled "Update on
>>> Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John
>>> Anonby: original link
>>>
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
>>> you can see on the figure #2, said
>>> "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main
>>> dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other
>>> dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the
>>> figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map,
>>> said "Lurestani" is the main area of
>>> Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects
>>> is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki
>>> language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the
>>> figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of
>>> Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the
>>> "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and
"Kohkiloyeh"
>>> and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as
>>> well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares
>>> the example differences between these
>>> languages.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>>> As I mentioned also concerning Western
>>>> Balochi, we need an outside scholar /
>>>> linguist / language expert for verification
>>>> purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?
>>>>
>>>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>> This
>>>>>
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
>>>>> is the list of top articles was provided
>>>>> by Mogoeilor, even he named the language
>>>>> of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their
>>>>> main page, and I didn't see that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and
>>>>>>> all languages is that they have to have
>>>>>>> an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a
>>>>>>> language not a macro language.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
>>>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no such thing as they are a
>>>>>>> resources of world's languages,
>>>>>>> people are the resources and they
>>>>>>> only maintainer code, the unified
>>>>>>> codes that the world uses. Is there
>>>>>>> any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia
yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard
>>>>>>> Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of
the
>>>>>>>> ISO-639-3. As such they are an
>>>>>>>> authority.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr
>>>>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're right, I can't
trust a
>>>>>>>> self verification too, but
what
>>>>>>>> do you expect me do to?, you
>>>>>>>> can probably find a lot of
>>>>>>>> trustable resources on the
>>>>>>>> Internet, I my self can't
even
>>>>>>>> trust ethnologue, because I
>>>>>>>> found unuseful information
on
>>>>>>>> it and I don't know where
they
>>>>>>>> come from, at least in
>>>>>>>> Wikipedia, we have resources,
I
>>>>>>>> didn't expect that from
you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard
>>>>>>>> Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not
an
>>>>>>>>> authority. It has never
been.
>>>>>>>>> Again, self certification
does
>>>>>>>>> not work for me.. We have
been
>>>>>>>>> hurt by that before.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at
00:03,
>>>>>>>>> Mjbmr
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alright then,
that's
>>>>>>>>> Northern Luri, fair
>>>>>>>>> enough, I didn't
have any
>>>>>>>>> knowledge that there
is a
>>>>>>>>> southern dialect of
it and
>>>>>>>>> people of Kohgiluyeh
and
>>>>>>>>> Boyerahmadi, and
Yasuj
>>>>>>>>> speak that, I only
knew
>>>>>>>>> Lorestan, but per
English
>>>>>>>>> wikipedia,
they're
>>>>>>>>> dialects of Northern
Luri
>>>>>>>>> which this wiki is
written
>>>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12
AM,
>>>>>>>>> Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>>> Check this out
...
>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It rather
complicates
>>>>>>>>>> things... By the
way self
>>>>>>>>>> certification is
not a
>>>>>>>>>> good idea.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015
at
>>>>>>>>>> 22:45, Mjbmr
>>>>>>>>>>
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as
I live
>>>>>>>>>> Iran and I
know some
>>>>>>>>>> parts of
this
>>>>>>>>>> language, it
is
>>>>>>>>>> definitely
Luri.
>>>>>>>>>> Mohammad
Mogoei
>>>>>>>>>>
(User:Mogoeilor) the
>>>>>>>>>> most active
user of
>>>>>>>>>> this project
is from
>>>>>>>>>> Lorestan so
>>>>>>>>>> definitely he
speaks
>>>>>>>>>> in this
language
>>>>>>>>>> every day. In
Iran
>>>>>>>>>> it's
called Luri,
>>>>>>>>>> some people
call it
>>>>>>>>>> Lurish
>>>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
>>>>>>>>>> as the
translation
>>>>>>>>>> for English,
per this
>>>>>>>>>>
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
>>>>>>>>>> the language
should
>>>>>>>>>> be called
Northern
>>>>>>>>>> Luri, but
none of it
>>>>>>>>>> dialects are
called
>>>>>>>>>> Luri, so I
call it
>>>>>>>>>> Luri too. I
have also
>>>>>>>>>> submitted and
now
>>>>>>>>>> accepted a
ticket to
>>>>>>>>>> CLDR to
support this
>>>>>>>>>> language.
Other
>>>>>>>>>> proposal of
dialects
>>>>>>>>>> of this
language like
>>>>>>>>>> Bakhtiari
>>>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
>>>>>>>>>> failed
because of
>>>>>>>>>> being a part
of this
>>>>>>>>>> language.
Also they
>>>>>>>>>> list of
article I've
>>>>>>>>>> just provided
are the
>>>>>>>>>> best of them
as you
>>>>>>>>>> can see there
are no
>>>>>>>>>> Persian words
in them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015
12:37
>>>>>>>>>> AM, Gerard
Meijssen
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>>>> Do we
have
>>>>>>>>>>>
confirmation that it
>>>>>>>>>>> is indeed
Luri ?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
Gerard
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24
April 2015 at
>>>>>>>>>>> 20:42,
Mjbmr
>>>>>>>>>>>
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I ask
langcom
>>>>>>>>>>>
members for
>>>>>>>>>>>
approval of Luri
>>>>>>>>>>>
Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> here
are some
>>>>>>>>>>> top
articles I
>>>>>>>>>>> could
list, but
>>>>>>>>>>> there
are more
>>>>>>>>>>> of
them
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
استیو جابز
>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
>>>>>>>>>>>
(Steve Jobs)
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.
آلورت
>>>>>>>>>>>
انیشتین
>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>>>>
(Albert
>>>>>>>>>>>
Einstein)
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.
کلمبیا
>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
>>>>>>>>>>>
(Colombia)
>>>>>>>>>>> 4.
شهید چمران
>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>>>>
(Mostafa
>>>>>>>>>>>
Chamran)
>>>>>>>>>>> 5.
شایا عیلامی
>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
>>>>>>>>>>>
(List of
>>>>>>>>>>>
rulers of Elam)
>>>>>>>>>>> 6.
کارلوس
>>>>>>>>>>>
فوئنتس
>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
>>>>>>>>>>>
(Carlos Fuentes)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
Analysis
>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
>>>>>>>>>>> shows
that this
>>>>>>>>>>>
project has
>>>>>>>>>>>
enough users and
>>>>>>>>>>> most
of
>>>>>>>>>>>
mediawiki
>>>>>>>>>>>
message
>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
>>>>>>>>>>> been
translated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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