After I researched, I found a lot of articles
around the Internet
only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza Mehramooz
(Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian>) about Luri
languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor), it
seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a university professor and he
has PhD, and he has been contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia
under user name User:Mehramooz, please contact him for the
verification.
On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern
Luri fulfilled the
requirements for leaving the incubator?
If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference?
I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics
conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be
happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify
Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so
for us.
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to
> the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of
> silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so
> that it doesn't fall between the cracks?
>
> A.
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
> <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com <mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> We obviously discuss
> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
> 3. if no, whom to contact.
> Then we contact people.
>
> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org
> <mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:
>
> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
> expectation of this committee that nothing will happen
> until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming
> that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia
> is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any
> steps to secure such testimony?
>
> A.
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> Reading an article does not make us an expert.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri:
> How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original
> link
>
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
> you can see on the figure #2, said
> "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect
> and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
> Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown
> west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is
> the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on
> these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands
> for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the
> figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri
> (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi)
> dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad"
> (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to
> #197 you can compares the example differences
> between these languages.
>
>
>
> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>> As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi,
>> we need an outside scholar / linguist / language
>> expert for verification purposes. Any useful
>> bona-fide contacts?
>>
>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>> This
>>>
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
>>> is the list of top articles was provided by
>>> Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this
>>> wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and
>>> I didn't see that.
>>>
>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and all
>>>>> languages is that they have to have an
>>>>> ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language
>>>>> not a macro language.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no such thing as they are a
>>>>> resources of world's languages, people are
>>>>> the resources and they only maintainer
>>>>> code, the unified codes that the world
>>>>> uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri
>>>>> Wikipedia yet?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the
>>>>>> ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr
>>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a
self
>>>>>> verification too, but what do you
>>>>>> expect me do to?, you can probably
>>>>>> find a lot of trustable resources on
>>>>>> the Internet, I my self can't even
>>>>>> trust ethnologue, because I found
>>>>>> unuseful information on it and I
>>>>>> don't know where they come from, at
>>>>>> least in Wikipedia, we have
>>>>>> resources, I didn't expect that from
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an
>>>>>>> authority. It has never been. Again,
>>>>>>> self certification does not work for
>>>>>>> me.. We have been hurt by that
before.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr
>>>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alright then, that's
Northern
>>>>>>> Luri, fair enough, I didn't
have
>>>>>>> any knowledge that there is a
>>>>>>> southern dialect of it and
>>>>>>> people of Kohgiluyeh and
>>>>>>> Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak
>>>>>>> that, I only knew Lorestan, but
>>>>>>> per English wikipedia,
they're
>>>>>>> dialects of Northern Luri which
>>>>>>> this wiki is written in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard
>>>>>>> Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>> Check this out ...
>>>>>>>>
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It rather complicates
things...
>>>>>>>> By the way self
certification
>>>>>>>> is not a good idea.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45,
>>>>>>>> Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live
Iran
>>>>>>>> and I know some parts of
>>>>>>>> this language, it is
>>>>>>>> definitely Luri.
Mohammad
>>>>>>>> Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor)
the
>>>>>>>> most active user of this
>>>>>>>> project is from Lorestan
so
>>>>>>>> definitely he speaks in
>>>>>>>> this language every day.
In
>>>>>>>> Iran it's called
Luri, some
>>>>>>>> people call it Lurish
>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
>>>>>>>> as the translation for
>>>>>>>> English, per this
>>>>>>>>
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
>>>>>>>> the language should be
>>>>>>>> called Northern Luri,
but
>>>>>>>> none of it dialects are
>>>>>>>> called Luri, so I call
it
>>>>>>>> Luri too. I have also
>>>>>>>> submitted and now
accepted
>>>>>>>> a ticket to CLDR to
support
>>>>>>>> this language. Other
>>>>>>>> proposal of dialects of
>>>>>>>> this language like
>>>>>>>> Bakhtiari
>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
>>>>>>>> failed because of being
a
>>>>>>>> part of this language.
Also
>>>>>>>> they list of article
I've
>>>>>>>> just provided are the
best
>>>>>>>> of them as you can see
>>>>>>>> there are no Persian
words
>>>>>>>> in them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM,
>>>>>>>> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>> Do we have
confirmation
>>>>>>>>> that it is indeed
Luri ?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Gerard
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at
20:42,
>>>>>>>>> Mjbmr
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I ask langcom
members
>>>>>>>>> for approval of
Luri
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> here are some
top
>>>>>>>>> articles I could
list,
>>>>>>>>> but there are
more of them
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
>>>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs)
>>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت
انیشتین
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>> (Albert
Einstein)
>>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
>>>>>>>>> (Colombia)
>>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>> (Mostafa
Chamran)
>>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
>>>>>>>>> (List of
rulers of
>>>>>>>>> Elam)
>>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس
فوئنتس
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
>>>>>>>>> (Carlos
Fuentes)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Analysis
>>>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
>>>>>>>>> shows that this
>>>>>>>>> project has
enough
>>>>>>>>> users and most
of
>>>>>>>>> mediawiki
message
>>>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
>>>>>>>>> been translated.
>>>>>>>>>
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