We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.
2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
I'm not clear on the committee's
process: Is it the expectation of
this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert
testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri
Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps
to secure such testimony?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> Reading an article does not make us an expert.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many
>> languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link
>>
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
>> you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is
the
>> main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern
Luri
>> (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said
>> "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these
>> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) ,
and
>> "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri
(lrc)
>> dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and
"Kohkiloyeh" and
>> "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you
can
>> compares the example differences between these languages.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>
>> As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside
>> scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful
>> bona-fide contacts?
>>
>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>
>> This
>>
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
>> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the
>> language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't
>> see that.
>>
>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>
>> Hoi,
>> A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they
>> have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro
>> language.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's
>>> languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the
>>> unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri
>>> Wikipedia yet?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an
>>> authority.
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what
do
>>>> you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable resources
on
>>>> the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found
>>>> unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at
least
>>>> in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again,
>>>> self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that
before.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't
have
>>>>> any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of
>>>>> Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew
Lorestan, but
>>>>> per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which
this wiki is
>>>>> written in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> Check this out ...
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
>>>>>
>>>>> It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is
>>>>> not a good idea.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this
>>>>>> language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor)
the most
>>>>>> active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he
speaks in
>>>>>> this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some
people call it
>>>>>> Lurish
>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
>>>>>> as the translation for English, per this
>>>>>> <http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
the
>>>>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects
are called
>>>>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now
accepted a
>>>>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of
dialects of this
>>>>>> language like Bakhtiari
>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
>>>>>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list
of article
>>>>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there
are no Persian
>>>>>> words in them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Gerard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more
of
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs)
>>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
>>>>>>> (Albert Einstein)
>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7> (
>>>>>>> Colombia)
>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
>>>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran)
>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
>>>>>>> (List of rulers of Elam)
>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
>>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Analysis
>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
>>>>>>> shows that this project has enough users and most of
mediawiki
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
>>>>>>> been translated.
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