I'm non-voting, of course, so I'm not going to offer an opinion, per se. But, Gideon, I keep hearing "in Berlin". Whom did you speak to in Berlin? LangCom people? Board members? If it was board members, then we might actually need some guidance as to what the board was thinking, and as to what they might like us to do about this.
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OK. I'm assuming that (a) the concept of closing stale requests as I've proposed is generally acceptable, and (b) that at least in the cases other than Teochew I can proceed.
With respect to Teochew, I'm going to mark it as "on hold/waiting", pending a language code. But if we don't see a new request at SIL in a year, then I'm going to close. Please let me know if that is acceptable.
There are, in fact, a couple of other requests from 2010 still open. There are two requests on different Balochi projects, which I thought should wait until Satdeep finished his investigations into that. There is a request for "Southern Min in Hanji," which I intended to leave sitting until we had a discussion of when different scripts need different projects and when not. But apparently phabricator T165882<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165882> says that the community has agreed to a namespace for Hanji, so this can be closed as resolved. There is a request for Wiktionary Pitcairnese<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wiktionary_Pitca…> that can be closed as stale along the same lines as the others here. And there is a request for Wikipedia Chinuk wawa that is supported by a few pages in the Incubator, so I'm going to mark it eligible.
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2018年1月25日 03:49 於 "MF-Warburg" <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> 寫道：
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> Well, but it's equally true (and written) that "If there is no valid ISO
639 code, you must obtain one. The Wikimedia Foundation does not seek to
develop new linguistic entities".
My understanding on the description of "does not seek to develop new
linguistic entities" is that WMF does not seek to develop new language and
thus it would like confirmation from ISO standard regulation body, instead
of the code itself.
> We do absolutely not want to invent our own codes, because that gets
really messy, especially when at some point a language does get a real code.
Why not tentatively use e.g. ISO639-6 code as a working code in incubator
or for the project before it could get a 639-1/2/3 code? after it get a
code in ISO 639-1/2/3 then it should be possible to move things over.
Although all the code change requests have been piled up for years in
phabricator but that should hopefully be sorted out one day.
So here's what has to happen next:
* Someone at translatewiki.net should activate the code. (Calling Amir ...)
* The community can start working on a Wikipedia project on Incubator at Wp/hyw. Remember: the rules at Incubator are less strict than the rules for a final approval. In most cases of living, natural languages, as long as there is a valid code, a project may remain on Incubator, even without a LangCom approval. So gather a community together and start working on something. Do we need to set up Armenian Wikipedia as a transwiki import SOURCE to Incubator so that articles can be brought over more easily? (MF-W?)
* A "Request for new languages" is not necessary right away, and tends to bring out the worst in everyone's politics. Let the community work for a little while on Incubator before coming to Meta with a formal request.
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Congratulations, Michael and the entire Western Armenian community (or
rather communities!). And thanks for all the effort you put into this!
Cheers,
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So... This raises several questions.
1. Should this language be added to translatewiki.net? This was requested
some time ago: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftranslate…
support_for_Western_Armenian_(hym) . This means that it will be possible to
translate MediaWiki into it.
2. I couldn't find a request for a Western Armenian Wikipedia, which is
somewhat surprising :) . The closest thing I can find is
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wiki…
languages/Wikipedia_Homshetsma , which is not the same thing. In any case,
whenever such a request is made, will it be eligible?
I am inclined to answer "yes" to both questions, but with a caveat. I know
very little about the Armenian language. My support is based mainly on
Michael's conclusions of the examination of the differences between Eastern
and Western varieties. However, the documents linked from the first email
in this thread mention the similarity of the situation with Montengrin,
which the committee seems not to support.
If we reject Montenegrin, but support Western Armenian, we'll have to
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2018-01-31 14:39 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org>:
> Congratulations, Michael and the entire Western Armenian community (or
> rather communities!). And thanks for all the effort you put into this!
>
> Cheers,
> Oliver
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> Congratulations, Michael and the entire Western Armenian community (or rather communities!). And thanks for all the effort you put into this!
It was quite a lot of effort, producing the proposal document.
Now let’s get this one going. What do they have to do now?
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Gerard. 639-2 is a subset of 639-3
> On 31 Jan 2018, at 09:57, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> Wait a sec; Montenegrin is to be recognised by the ISO 639-3. I do not care for what ISO 639-2 has to say.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 31 January 2018 at 10:47, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> In fact, the entire 2017 SIL approval/rejection results are available here. (Montenegrin does not appear here, as that was a separate process through ISO 639-2.)
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On 31 Jan 2018, at 12:56, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
> So... This raises several questions.
Really?
> 1. Should this language be added to translatewiki.net? This was requested some time ago: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftranslate… . This means that it will be possible to translate MediaWiki into it.
Yes, certainly it should.
> 2. I couldn't find a request for a Western Armenian Wikipedia, which is somewhat surprising :) . The closest thing I can find is https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wiki… , which is not the same thing. In any case, whenever such a request is made, will it be eligible?
It will be eligible. There are some articles in the current Armenian Wikipedia that are marked as written in Western Armenian, and I would be expecting them to be migrated.
Homshetsi is evidently a dialect of Western Armenian with fewer than 1000 speakers. I do not know anything more about it. It has no ISO code.
> I am inclined to answer "yes" to both questions, but with a caveat. I know very little about the Armenian language. My support is based mainly on Michael's conclusions of the examination of the differences between Eastern and Western varieties.
We showed lists and paradigms showing the linguistic differences.
> However, the documents linked from the first email in this thread mention the similarity of the situation with Montengrin, which the committee seems not to support.
I don’t support it because it does not appear that Montenegrin differs from Serbian in any significant way.
> If we reject Montenegrin, but support Western Armenian, we'll have to explain it.
Absolutely we do not have to do this. There is no dependency between them. None. And Western Armenian is HUGELY different from Eastern Armenian. Please study the attached which was part of our proposal for the language code.
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As long as there is some activity continuing around Southern Min, I'll leave it open. Understand that if it is closed as stale, that closure would be without prejudice against a future request when things are squared away. So don't worry too much about it.
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One thing to consider:
- In the previous code application, Hainanese was mentioned as a thing to
consider about before splitting out Teochew. There are currently request
for a code for Hainanese which will probably take some times to handle, and
I would not expect request for Teochew to surface before that one get
created
2018年1月29日 18:26 於 "Steven White" <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> 寫道：
> OK. I'm assuming that (a) the concept of closing stale requests as I've
> proposed is generally acceptable, and (b) that at least in the cases other
> than Teochew I can proceed.
>
>
> With respect to Teochew, I'm going to mark it as "on hold/waiting",
> pending a language code. But if we don't see a new request at SIL in a
> year, then I'm going to close. Please let me know if that is acceptable.
>
>
> There are, in fact, a couple of other requests from 2010 still open. There
> are two requests on different Balochi projects, which I thought should wait
> until Satdeep finished his investigations into that. There is a request for
> "Southern Min in Hanji," which I intended to leave sitting until we had a
> discussion of when different scripts need different projects and when not.
> But apparently phabricator T165882
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> agreed to a namespace for Hanji, so this can be closed as resolved. There
> is a request for Wiktionary Pitcairnese
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> that can be closed as stale along the same lines as the others here. And
> there is a request for Wikipedia Chinuk wawa that is supported by a few
> pages in the Incubator, so I'm going to mark it eligible.
>
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> 2018年1月25日 03:49 於 "MF-Warburg" <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> 寫道：
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> > Well, but it's equally true (and written) that "If there is no valid ISO
> 639 code, you must obtain one. The Wikimedia Foundation does not seek to
> develop new linguistic entities".
>
> My understanding on the description of "does not seek to develop new
> linguistic entities" is that WMF does not seek to develop new language and
> thus it would like confirmation from ISO standard regulation body, instead
> of the code itself.
>
> > We do absolutely not want to invent our own codes, because that gets
> really messy, especially when at some point a language does get a real
> code.
>
> Why not tentatively use e.g. ISO639-6 code as a working code in incubator
> or for the project before it could get a 639-1/2/3 code? after it get a
> code in ISO 639-1/2/3 then it should be possible to move things over.
> Although all the code change requests have been piled up for years in
> phabricator but that should hopefully be sorted out one day.
>
No, Gerard. What I meant was that Montenegrin wasn't listed in the 2017 SIL approval process because it came to SIL through the ISO 639-2 process, not through a standard ISO 639-3 change request. But SIL most definitely has approved the code as an ISO 639-3. See http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cnr.
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Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Istriot<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Istriot>: Currently on hold. There are a few pages on Incubator, but nothing added in several years. Propose to reject as stale, without prejudice for a new request if a community comes back to work on a project.
Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Teochew<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Teochew>: Currently on hold due to no ISO code. Code was rejected at SIL in 2009. At the time, SIL expressed some sympathy for the idea of retiring "nan" and splitting it. But as the code request did not cover the full breadth of "nan", the request was rejected. There has been no recurrent request, to the best of my knowledge. Suggest reject per policy, with an invitation to create a new request if a code is ever created.
Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Unserdeutsch 2<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Unserd…>: About 100 L1 speakers left, mostly living in Australia. No test project, and no evidence of native speakers. If this were a new request, I'd probably mark as "on hold". As it is, we should probably reject as stale, without prejudice for a new request if a community comes back to work on a project.
Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Pandan Bikol (Northern Catanduanes Bikol)<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Pandan…>: About 78,000 speakers. No evidence of any native speakers present since request was made. Also member of a macrolanguage (Bikol): bik. Within macrolanguage, existing Wikipedia for Central Bikol (bcl), fairly developed test projects for Miraya Bikol (Wp/rbl) and Rinconada Bikol (Wp/bto), though no substantive additions since 2015. This language's test has a single page that might not even be in the language. Should probably reject this as stale, without prejudice for a new request.
Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Simple Hebrew<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Simple…>: Reject: (a) If a project like this is ever to exist, current policy is that it must incubate at the corresponding project, in this case Hebrew Wikipedia. (b) If such an incubation wants to get out of the base project, that can only happen if the project (or namespace) uses an externally defined simple version of the language, and I'm not aware that one even exists in Hebrew.
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* With respect to Western Armenian and Homshetsma, Oliver is entirely correct. By all means get an RFL in place for Western Armenian. But that is a different issue from Homshetsma.
* With respect to "close as stale" vs. "waiting/on hold": I think there is a misunderstanding here from some people:
* We're not suggesting doing anything to Incubator at all. We're not deleting test projects there that are stale. (See WP:NOTPAPER.)
* With respect to "Requests for new languages", once a project is eligible, it is eligible. We're not changing that, either.
* The ONLY thing being suggested is this: Where a "Request[] for new languages" was NEVER marked eligible, then if there has not been any follow-up by fluent speakers (for example, by creating an Incubator test), we will mark the request as "close as stale".
* Any/all such requests are either marked as "waiting/on hold" or were never changed from "discussion/open". All of these tests should have been marked as "waiting/on hold', except that nobody ever got around to doing that. And so in all the cases I am suggesting, we have waited 7+ years, and native (fluent) speakers never showed up. So I want to remove those from the request queue, clearly inviting anyone new to start fresh with a new request.
* I have recently marked a couple of requests like this as eligible, because speakers did show up.
I hope that clarifies things.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Four more Wikipedia requests dating to the summer of 2010
(Oliver Stegen)
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Scott,
we're aware of the ISO code proposal for Western Armenian. Actually, one
of our committee (Michael Everson) elicited the data at WMCon Berlin
2017 and wrote and submitted the proposal to the ISO committee. However,
that's Western Armenian and not Homshetsma. Hence, I understand it to be
right to reject the current proposal and then to open a new proposal for
all of Western Armenian.
Best wishes,
Oliver
On 22-Jan-18 17:05, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
> Sorry I'm late to the conversation, but I did get a request from the
> Armenian Wikimedia community at Wikimania 2016 specifically to assist
> with the assignment of an ISO code for Western Armenian. Closing the
> proposal may be the right thing to do at this point, but it is a bit
> of a chicken and egg issue wrt ISO codes. I believe there is
> significant community interest within the Armenian community if we
> could break this logjam.
> --scott
>
> On Jan 22, 2018 6:37 AM, "Steven White" <koala19890(a)hotmail.com
> <mailto:koala19890@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Having heard no comments on the proposals with respect to Egyptian
> and Homshetsma over the last seven days, I will close both as
> rejected, as described in my original message.
>
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Having heard no comments on the proposals with respect to Egyptian and Homshetsma over the last seven days, I will close both as rejected, as described in my original message.
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2. Four more Wikipedia requests dating to the summer of 2010
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Amir: Someone has written a response to your email to LangCom at the bottom of the discussion page on Meta.
Gerard: You don't get asked all that often here to spend a lot of time on an involved, complicated decision. If I thought I could easily digest it and feed it to you I would. But I don't. I'm not asking you for a lot of time; rather, the community you serve needs you to spend the appropriate amount of time to see the latest evidence and decide what you think.
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