If Anonby thinks that it's a shame Lurish
must use more old Lurish
verbs that new driven from Persian verbs, then we should start speaking in
Old English. btw Mohammad Mogoei (Mogoeilor) is native Northeren Luri from
capital of Lurestan province and he knows all dialects of Luri language
including Southern and Bakhtiari.
On 5/6/2015 8:00 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:
I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an
eligible language, but it seems like there is no issue with it.
II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on
Incubator are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by
Mogoeilor, who should use preview more often, but also contributions from
other users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the
10-edit-threshold [2].
III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the
peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who
do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi
Moshkriz for their opinion on that?
[1] <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>
[2] <
Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern
Luri fulfilled the
requirements for leaving the incubator?
If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've
actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we
all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see
whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend
someone else to do so for us.
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the
process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence
after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't
fall between the cracks?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
> We obviously discuss
> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
> 3. if no, whom to contact.
> Then we contact people.
>
> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
>
>> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of
>> this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert
>> testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri
>> Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps
>> to secure such testimony?
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
>> gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> Reading an article does not make us an expert.
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many
>>>> languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link
>>>>
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
>>>> you can see on the figure #2, said
"Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the
>>>> main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
Northern Luri
>>>> (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said
>>>> "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on
these
>>>> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language
(lki) , and
>>>> "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of
Northern Luri (lrc)
>>>> dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and
"Kohkiloyeh" and
>>>> "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to
#197 you can
>>>> compares the example differences between these languages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside
>>>> scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any
useful
>>>> bona-fide contacts?
>>>>
>>>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This
>>>>
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
>>>> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the
>>>> language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I
didn't
>>>> see that.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they
>>>> have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro
>>>> language.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's
>>>>> languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code,
the
>>>>> unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri
>>>>> Wikipedia yet?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an
>>>>> authority.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but
what do
>>>>>> you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable
resources on
>>>>>> the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because
I found
>>>>>> unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come
from, at least
>>>>>> in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from
you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again,
>>>>>> self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by
that before.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I
didn't have
>>>>>>> any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and
people of
>>>>>>> Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew
Lorestan, but
>>>>>>> per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri
which this wiki is
>>>>>>> written in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>> Check this out ...
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It rather complicates things... By the way self
certification
>>>>>>> is not a good idea.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this
>>>>>>>> language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei
(User:Mogoeilor) the most
>>>>>>>> active user of this project is from Lorestan so
definitely he speaks in
>>>>>>>> this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri,
some people call it
>>>>>>>> Lurish
>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
>>>>>>>> as the translation for English, per this
>>>>>>>>
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc> the
>>>>>>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it
dialects are called
>>>>>>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and
now accepted a
>>>>>>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal
of dialects of this
>>>>>>>> language like Bakhtiari
>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
>>>>>>>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also
they list of article
>>>>>>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can
see there are no Persian
>>>>>>>> words in them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Gerard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri
Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there
are more of
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
>>>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs)
>>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>> (Albert Einstein)
>>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
>>>>>>>>> (Colombia)
>>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran)
>>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
>>>>>>>>> (List of rulers of Elam)
>>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس
>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
>>>>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Analysis
>>>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
>>>>>>>>> shows that this project has enough users and most of
>>>>>>>>> mediawiki message
>>>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
>>>>>>>>> been translated.
>>>>>>>>>
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