Dear Members of the Language Committee,
I am writing this on behalf of the budding Konkani Wikipedia community
and with regard to the request made for making the Konkani Wikipedia
Live [1]. Some of the active Konkani Wikimedians are also copied on this
e-mail.
The community is eager to know what further steps they should take so
that this project could live. Please also note that the community
members did a translation sprint of essential Media Wiki message on
translatewiki.net during December 2013 and January 2014. However, this
is not reflected correctly on translatewiki and on Meta. The
translations are visible against the specific user contributions, e.g.
see this [2].
Would appreciate specific guidance from the Language Committee to help
make this project live as per the aspirations of the Konkani Wikimedians.
Thanks,
Vishnu
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkan…
[2]
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Contributions/Darshan_kando…
Dear LangCom.
The Konkani conversation seems stalled. I have just tried to check on it,
and discovered that this response (quoted below) from Vishnu of the Access
To Knowledge program in CIS (India) never made it to the list (according to
the archive). Please proceed, and let the Konkani volunteers out of the
purgatorium of the Incubator.
Thanks,
Asaf
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] [Langcom-l] Konkani
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 01:32:27 +0530
From: Vishnu <vishnu(a)cis-india.org>
To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Dear Santhosh, MF-Warburg and other LangCom members,
Yes, the current request from the Konkani Wikipedia community is to make
the Konkani Wikipedia live in the *Devanagari script*. It has been
mentioned in the request page on Meta and I have now highlighted it.[0]
Of course, the community also wants the LangCom to consider incubating
separate Konkani Wikipedia projects in Romi (i.e. Latin script) and
Kannada scripts - two other popular variants of Konkani. This will
ensure that the rich diversity of Konkani language and the knowledge in
all these three major script variants will flourish along with the
associated communities.
If I may be allowed, I would like to bring to the notice of the LangCom
members that CIS-A2K[1] has been putting focussed efforts on Konkani
Wikipedia and has managed to nurture and grow a volunteer community that
is now sustainable.
The multiple scripts (Konkani is written in 5 scripts) has been a great
challenge to understand and work with, especially when each script
variant is tied to specific religious and regional community and has
significant variations. We have left no stone unturned in objectively
finding a practical solution to this multiple script issue, including a
script converter. In this process we have consulted Konkani Wikipedians,
Konkani linguists, professors from Konkani Department at Goa University,
Konkani cultural experts, bureaucrats in the government, media personnel
and arrived at the conclusion of having separate Wiki projects for each
of the three script variants (i.e. Devanagari, Romi (Latin) and Kannada).
We have also requested Fr. Pratap Naik [2] a notable linguist, who has
worked on all the script variants of Konkani language for many years to
give his expert opinion in writing, which is available here [3]. This
note has been widely circulated and everyone, including the currently
active Konkani Wikipedians (majority of which edits in Devanagari
variant) believe that having three Konkani Wikipedias for the three
script variants is the way to go.
*May I reiterate that the current request is to only make the Konkani
Wikipedia, in Devanagari, live.*
It's been a huge personal learning for me about this rich language and
culture and I have some intimate context [4] on the multiple scripts
issue and would be happy to answer questions if the committee has any. I
am reasonably positive that we will see three active Konkani Wikipedias
soon. Having the Devanagari one live will only create a healthy competition.
Thanks,
Vishnu
CIS-A2K, Programme Director
[0]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_
languages/Wikipedia_Konkani_2
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_
Knowledge/Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Konkani
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratap_Naik
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_
Knowledge/Konkani_Wikipedia
[4] http://www.sfxkutamuae.com/news.asp?id=8698 (I have since then been
invited to be part of the Konkani Language Planning-Steering Committee
by the Global Konkani Conclave)
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Dear Santhosh, MF-Warburg and other LangCom members,
Yes, the current request from the Konkani Wikipedia community is to make
the Konkani Wikipedia live in the *Devanagari script*. It has been
mentioned in the request page on Meta and I have now highlighted it.[0]
Of course, the community also wants the LangCom to consider incubating
separate Konkani Wikipedia projects in Romi (i.e. Latin script) and
Kannada scripts - two other popular variants of Konkani. This will
ensure that the rich diversity of Konkani language and the knowledge in
all these three major script variants will flourish along with the
associated communities.
If I may be allowed, I would like to bring to the notice of the LangCom
members that CIS-A2K[1] has been putting focussed efforts on Konkani
Wikipedia and has managed to nurture and grow a volunteer community that
is now sustainable.
The multiple scripts (Konkani is written in 5 scripts) has been a great
challenge to understand and work with, especially when each script
variant is tied to specific religious and regional community and has
significant variations. We have left no stone unturned in objectively
finding a practical solution to this multiple script issue, including a
script converter. In this process we have consulted Konkani Wikipedians,
Konkani linguists, professors from Konkani Department at Goa University,
Konkani cultural experts, bureaucrats in the government, media personnel
and arrived at the conclusion of having separate Wiki projects for each
of the three script variants (i.e. Devanagari, Romi (Latin) and Kannada).
We have also requested Fr. Pratap Naik [2] a notable linguist, who has
worked on all the script variants of Konkani language for many years to
give his expert opinion in writing, which is available here [3]. This
note has been widely circulated and everyone, including the currently
active Konkani Wikipedians (majority of which edits in Devanagari
variant) believe that having three Konkani Wikipedias for the three
script variants is the way to go.
*May I reiterate that the current request is to only make the Konkani
Wikipedia, in Devanagari, live.*
It's been a huge personal learning for me about this rich language and
culture and I have some intimate context [4] on the multiple scripts
issue and would be happy to answer questions if the committee has any. I
am reasonably positive that we will see three active Konkani Wikipedias
soon. Having the Devanagari one live will only create a healthy competition.
Thanks,
Vishnu
CIS-A2K, Programme Director
[0]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkan…
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Work_plan_July_20…
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratap_Naik
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Konkani_Wiki…
[4] http://www.sfxkutamuae.com/news.asp?id=8698 (I have since then been
invited to be part of the Konkani Language Planning-Steering Committee
by the Global Konkani Conclave)
On 01/02/2015 10:13 AM, langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 10:13:12 +0530
> From: Santhosh Thottingal<santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language committee
> <langcom-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
> <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Langcom] [Langcom-l] Konkani
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> On Friday, January 2, 2015, MF-Warburg<mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> >I wonder about the following points:
>> >
>> >1.) script
>> >Ethnologue says they use Kannada and Latin <
>> >https://www.ethnologue.com/language/gom>. Translatewiki.net offers the
>> >possibility to also translate in Devanagari, Malayalam and Arabic scripts <
>> >https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Gom>.
>> >How should this be handled? On Incubator I see that there are articles in
>> >Latin, Kannada and Devanagari, see e.g. <
>> >https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:PrefixIndex&from=…>
>> >It seems like they are distinguished with "dn" and "kd"
>> > prefixes. Some pages also contain several scripts in one article. How
>> >should this be handled? Should there be separate wikis for each script, or
>> >better a converter? I wouldn't want a situation like with az/azb to appear
>> >because of different scripts.
>> >
> When I met Vishnu a few days back, he told me that what community request
> with gom.wiki*.org is Devanagari script. He said they explored the option
> of automatic script conversion between other scripts and experts suggested
> not to do so. He clarified that this request is only for Konkani with
> devangari script. But since this was only a verbal communication, shall I
> ask them to write these details in the request page[1]?
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkan…
>
> Thanks
> Santhosh
>
Dear ALL,
I am Gabriel Lee from Hong Kong, I would like to be a member in the
Langcom. I know zh-n, zh-yue-5, en-5, ja-2 and fr-2. Please contact me with
sending a mail to chihonglee777(a)gmail.com. Thanks a lot!
Regards,
Gabriel Chi Hong Lee
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approval of Konkani Wikipedia
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 15:34:08 -0400
From: Samuel Klein <sj(a)wikimedia.org>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Dear Santhosh & Langcom,
Thank you! Per a discussion among the Board: Let's update this process
so that it doesn't involve Board review. The language committee is more
than competent to make and confirm these decisions.
We could have a staff member get the same pings with a few days for
feedback; perhaps someone on the language team who is in a position to
comment and would want to get this timely update anyway. Lila is also
checking with the new community department to see what they think.
Warmly,
SJ
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Santhosh Thottingal
<santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com <mailto:santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Hi Jan-Bart,
I am very pleased to inform that the Language committee proposes to
approve Wikipedia in Konkani.
Request page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkan…
As usual, we will proceed in 4 days, if we don't hear anything to
the contrary from the Board.
Kind regards,
Santhosh and the Language committee
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Ok. Can you clarify whether the code should be gom.wikipedia.org or
gom-deva.wikipedia.org?
I guess if there's any possibility that sometime a script converter will be
developed, it should be the former.
PS: Please please please all use the new mailing list
langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org, not langcom-l@
:-)
Am 15.03.2015 20:31 schrieb "Antony Green" <toniogreen(a)web.de>:
> Me too!
>
> On 2015-03-15 18:30, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
>
> Excellent, this should lift any objection. I support it.
>
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> 2015-03-15 16:32 GMT+02:00 Santhosh Thottingal <
> santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com>:
>
>> On 03/11/2015 08:48 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:
>>
>> On the very same page I see 594 messages in total in that group, 286
>> thereof still to translate.
>>
>>
>> The community is very active. I poked them and now 90% of messages are
>> translated
>> <https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:LanguageStats&language=gom-…>
>> .
>> I hope there is no more objections.
>>
>> Thanks.
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Hi Jan-Bart,
I am very pleased to inform that the Language committee proposes to approve
Wikipedia in Konkani.
Request page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkan…
As usual, we will proceed in 4 days, if we don't hear anything to the
contrary from the Board.
Kind regards,
Santhosh and the Language committee
It looks like it is eligible, though I am not an expert of course regarding
the differences between Southern, Eastern and Western Baluchi.
2015-03-12 12:42 GMT+01:00 Santhosh Thottingal <
santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com>:
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> Subject: Baluchi Wikipedia
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 14:14:00 +0330
> From: Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com>
> To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>
> Hello,
>
> Can we get some attention on following:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_
> languages/Wikipedia_Western_Baluchi
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