I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an eligible
language, but it seems like there is no issue with it.
II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on Incubator
are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by Mogoeilor,
who should use preview more often, but also contributions from other
users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the 10-edit-threshold
[2].
III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the
peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who
do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi
Moshkriz for their opinion on that?
[1] <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc
[2] <
https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc…
2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <info(a)oliverstegen.net>et>:
> Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the
> requirements for leaving the incubator?
> If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've
> actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we
> all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see
> whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend
> someone else to do so for us.
> Fwiw,
> Oliver
> On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable.
Is there an owner to the
> process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence
> after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't
> fall between the cracks?
> A.
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
<mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com
> wrote:
>> We obviously discuss
>> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
>> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
>> 3. if no, whom to contact.
>> Then we contact people.
>
>> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov
<abartov(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
>
>>> I'm not clear on the
committee's process: Is it the expectation of
>>> this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces
expert
>>> testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri
>>> Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps
>>> to secure such testimony?
>>
>>> A.
>>
>>> On Mon,
Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
>>> gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
Hoi,
>>>> Reading an article does not make us an expert.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>
>>>> On
27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many
>>>>> languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link
>>>>>
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
>>>>> you can see on the figure #2, said
"Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the
>>>>> main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
Northern Luri
>>>>> (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map,
said
>>>>> "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower
on these
>>>>> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language
(lki) , and
>>>>> "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of
Northern Luri (lrc)
>>>>> dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and
"Kohkiloyeh" and
>>>>> "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186
to #197 you can
>>>>> compares the example differences between these languages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside
>>>>> scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any
useful
>>>>> bona-fide contacts?
>>>>
>>>>>
On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
This
>>>>>
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1
>>>>> is the list of top articles
was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the
>>>>> language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I
didn't
>>>>> see that.
>>>>
>>>>>
On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
Yes.
>>>>
>>>>>
On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
Hoi,
>>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they
have
>>>>> to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro
>>>>> language.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>>>
On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> There is no such thing as they are a resources of
world's languages,
>>>>>> people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the
unified codes
>>>>>> that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia
yet?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are
an
>>>>>> authority.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a self
verification too, but what do
>>>>>>> you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of
trustable resources on
>>>>>>> the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue,
because I found
>>>>>>> unuseful information on it and I don't know where they
come from, at least
>>>>>>> in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that
from you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been.
Again,
>>>>>>> self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt
by that before.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair
enough, I didn't have any
>>>>>>>> knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and
people of Kohgiluyeh
>>>>>>>> and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew
Lorestan, but per
>>>>>>>> English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri
which this wiki is
>>>>>>>> written in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>> Check this out ...
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It rather complicates things... By the way self
certification is
>>>>>>>> not a good idea.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some
parts of this language,
>>>>>>>>> it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei
(User:Mogoeilor) the most active
>>>>>>>>> user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely
he speaks in this
>>>>>>>>> language every day. In Iran it's called Luri,
some people call it
>>>>>>>>> Lurish
>>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish
>>>>>>>>> as the
translation for English, per this
>>>>>>>>>
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc> the
>>>>>>>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of
it dialects are called
>>>>>>>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted
and now accepted a
>>>>>>>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other
proposal of dialects of this
>>>>>>>>> language like Bakhtiari
>>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari
>>>>>>>>> failed
because of being a part of this language. Also they list of article
>>>>>>>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you
can see there are no Persian
>>>>>>>>> words in them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Gerard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri
Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> here are some top articles I could list,
but there are more of
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز
>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2
>>>>>>>>>>
(Steve Jobs)
>>>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین
>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86
>>>>>>>>>>
(Albert Einstein)
>>>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا
>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7> (
>>>>>>>>>> Colombia)
>>>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران
>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86
>>>>>>>>>>
(Mostafa Chamran)
>>>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی
>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C
>>>>>>>>>>
(List of rulers of Elam)
>>>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس
>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3
>>>>>>>>>>
(Carlos Fuentes)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Analysis
>>>>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors
>>>>>>>>>> shows
that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki
>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
>>>>>>>>>> been translated.
>>>>>>>>>
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