Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is
there an owner to the
process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of
silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that
it doesn't fall between the cracks?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
<mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com <mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>> wrote:
We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.
2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org
<mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:
I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until
Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the
content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact
Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps to
secure such testimony?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hoi,
Reading an article does not make us an expert.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri:
How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original
link
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
you can see on the figure #2, said
"Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect
and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west
of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main
area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects
is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language
(lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the
figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you
can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and
"Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz])
as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares the
example differences between these languages.
On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
As I mentioned also concerning
Western Balochi, we
need an outside scholar / linguist / language
expert for verification purposes. Any useful
bona-fide contacts?
On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
> This
>
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
> is the list of top articles was provided by
> Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this
> wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I
> didn't see that.
>
> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
>> Yes.
>>
>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>> Hoi,
>>> A longstanding requirement for any and all
>>> languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3
>>> code and, that they are a language not a macro
>>> language.
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as they are a
>>> resources of world's languages, people are
>>> the resources and they only maintainer code,
>>> the unified codes that the world uses. Is
>>> there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the
>>>> ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr
>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're right, I can't trust a self
>>>> verification too, but what do you
>>>> expect me do to?, you can probably find
>>>> a lot of trustable resources on the
>>>> Internet, I my self can't even trust
>>>> ethnologue, because I found unuseful
>>>> information on it and I don't know
>>>> where they come from, at least in
>>>> Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't
>>>> expect that from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority.
>>>>> It has never been. Again, self
>>>>> certification does not work for me..
>>>>> We have been hurt by that before.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr
>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alright then, that's Northern
>>>>> Luri, fair enough, I didn't have
>>>>> any knowledge that there is a
>>>>> southern dialect of it and people
>>>>> of Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and
>>>>> Yasuj speak that, I only knew
>>>>> Lorestan, but per English
>>>>> wikipedia, they're dialects of
>>>>> Northern Luri which this wiki is
>>>>> written in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard
>>>>> Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> Check this out ...
>>>>>>
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It rather complicates things...
>>>>>> By the way self certification is
>>>>>> not a good idea.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr
>>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and
>>>>>> I know some parts of this
>>>>>> language, it is definitely
>>>>>> Luri. Mohammad Mogoei
>>>>>> (User:Mogoeilor) the most
>>>>>> active user of this project
>>>>>> is from Lorestan so
>>>>>> definitely he speaks in this
>>>>>> language every day. In Iran
>>>>>> it's called Luri, some
people
>>>>>> call it Lurish
>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
>>>>>> as the translation for
>>>>>> English, per this
>>>>>>
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
>>>>>> the language should be called
>>>>>> Northern Luri, but none of it
>>>>>> dialects are called Luri, so
>>>>>> I call it Luri too. I have
>>>>>> also submitted and now
>>>>>> accepted a ticket to CLDR to
>>>>>> support this language. Other
>>>>>> proposal of dialects of this
>>>>>> language like Bakhtiari
>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
>>>>>> failed because of being a
>>>>>> part of this language. Also
>>>>>> they list of article I've
>>>>>> just provided are the best of
>>>>>> them as you can see there are
>>>>>> no Persian words in them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard
>>>>>> Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>> Do we have confirmation that
>>>>>>> it is indeed Luri ?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Gerard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42,
>>>>>>> Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ask langcom members
>>>>>>> for approval of Luri
>>>>>>> Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here are some top
>>>>>>> articles I could list,
>>>>>>> but there are more of
them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs)
>>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
>>>>>>> (Albert Einstein)
>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
>>>>>>> (Colombia)
>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
>>>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran)
>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
>>>>>>> (List of rulers of
Elam)
>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
>>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Analysis
>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
>>>>>>> shows that this project
>>>>>>> has enough users and
>>>>>>> most of mediawiki
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
>>>>>>> been translated.
>>>>>>>
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