Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable.
Is there an owner
to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that
in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress
toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
<mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com <mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>>
wrote:
We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content
at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.
2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov
<abartov(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:
I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
expectation of this committee that nothing will
happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony
confirming that the content currently in the
Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri?
Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such
testimony?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hoi,
Reading an article does not make us an expert.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here's the article I found titled "Update on
Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John
Anonby: original link
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
you can see on the figure #2, said
"Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main
dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other
dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the
figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map,
said "Lurestani" is the main area of
Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects
is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki
language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the
figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of
Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the
"Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh"
and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as
well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares
the example differences between these
languages.
On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
As I mentioned also
concerning Western
Balochi, we need an outside scholar /
linguist / language expert for verification
purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?
On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
> This
>
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
> is the list of top articles was provided
> by Mogoeilor, even he named the language
> of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their
> main page, and I didn't see that.
>
> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
>> Yes.
>>
>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>> Hoi,
>>> A longstanding requirement for any and
>>> all languages is that they have to have
>>> an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a
>>> language not a macro language.
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as they are a
>>> resources of world's languages,
>>> people are the resources and they
>>> only maintainer code, the unified
>>> codes that the world uses. Is there
>>> any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard
>>> Meijssen wrote:
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the
>>>> ISO-639-3. As such they are an
>>>> authority.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr
>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're right, I can't trust a
>>>> self verification too, but what
>>>> do you expect me do to?, you
>>>> can probably find a lot of
>>>> trustable resources on the
>>>> Internet, I my self can't even
>>>> trust ethnologue, because I
>>>> found unuseful information on
>>>> it and I don't know where they
>>>> come from, at least in
>>>> Wikipedia, we have resources, I
>>>> didn't expect that from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard
>>>> Meijssen wrote:
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an
>>>>> authority. It has never been.
>>>>> Again, self certification does
>>>>> not work for me.. We have been
>>>>> hurt by that before.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03,
>>>>> Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alright then, that's
>>>>> Northern Luri, fair
>>>>> enough, I didn't have any
>>>>> knowledge that there is a
>>>>> southern dialect of it and
>>>>> people of Kohgiluyeh and
>>>>> Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj
>>>>> speak that, I only knew
>>>>> Lorestan, but per English
>>>>> wikipedia, they're
>>>>> dialects of Northern Luri
>>>>> which this wiki is written
>>>>> in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM,
>>>>> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> Check this out ...
>>>>>>
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It rather complicates
>>>>>> things... By the way self
>>>>>> certification is not a
>>>>>> good idea.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at
>>>>>> 22:45, Mjbmr
>>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live
>>>>>> Iran and I know some
>>>>>> parts of this
>>>>>> language, it is
>>>>>> definitely Luri.
>>>>>> Mohammad Mogoei
>>>>>> (User:Mogoeilor) the
>>>>>> most active user of
>>>>>> this project is from
>>>>>> Lorestan so
>>>>>> definitely he speaks
>>>>>> in this language
>>>>>> every day. In Iran
>>>>>> it's called Luri,
>>>>>> some people call it
>>>>>> Lurish
>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
>>>>>> as the translation
>>>>>> for English, per this
>>>>>>
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
>>>>>> the language should
>>>>>> be called Northern
>>>>>> Luri, but none of it
>>>>>> dialects are called
>>>>>> Luri, so I call it
>>>>>> Luri too. I have also
>>>>>> submitted and now
>>>>>> accepted a ticket to
>>>>>> CLDR to support this
>>>>>> language. Other
>>>>>> proposal of dialects
>>>>>> of this language like
>>>>>> Bakhtiari
>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
>>>>>> failed because of
>>>>>> being a part of this
>>>>>> language. Also they
>>>>>> list of article I've
>>>>>> just provided are the
>>>>>> best of them as you
>>>>>> can see there are no
>>>>>> Persian words in them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37
>>>>>> AM, Gerard Meijssen
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>> Do we have
>>>>>>> confirmation that it
>>>>>>> is indeed Luri ?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Gerard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at
>>>>>>> 20:42, Mjbmr
>>>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ask langcom
>>>>>>> members for
>>>>>>> approval of Luri
>>>>>>> Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here are some
>>>>>>> top articles I
>>>>>>> could list, but
>>>>>>> there are more
>>>>>>> of them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs)
>>>>>>> 2. آلورت
>>>>>>> انیشتین
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
>>>>>>> (Albert
>>>>>>> Einstein)
>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
>>>>>>> (Colombia)
>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
>>>>>>> (Mostafa
>>>>>>> Chamran)
>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
>>>>>>> (List of
>>>>>>> rulers of
Elam)
>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس
>>>>>>> فوئنتس
>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
>>>>>>> (Carlos
Fuentes)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Analysis
>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
>>>>>>> shows that this
>>>>>>> project has
>>>>>>> enough users and
>>>>>>> most of
>>>>>>> mediawiki
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
>>>>>>> been translated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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