Idk, why you guys are ignoring then?
On 5/1/2015 11:10 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
If he has been contributing to the Northern
Luri Wikipedia, he
would not be our preferred person to go to for verification.
Verification should be done by someone not connected to
wikipedia, i.e. an outsider who could look at the wiki articles
through an unbiased lens.
And anyway, before we can take the step towards verification,
we first have to agree that Northern Luri Wikipedia has
fulfilled all requirements prior to the step of verification. I
would hope that one of the LangCom members could summarise
Northern Luri's progress again for computationally challenged
folks like me.
Thanks,
Oliver
On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
> See here
>
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor>,
> it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the
> verification.
>
> On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>> After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the
>> Internet only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza
>> Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː
>> mehɾɒːmuːz
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian>) about
>> Luri languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei
>> (User:Mogoeilor), it seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a
>> university professor and he has PhD, and he has been
>> contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name
>> User:Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification.
>>
>> On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>> Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled
>>> the requirements for leaving the incubator?
>>> If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable
>>> reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a
>>> linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've
>>> concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see
>>> whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he
>>> could recommend someone else to do so for us.
>>>
>>> Fwiw,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>> On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>>>> Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an
>>>> owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure
>>>> that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual
>>>> progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?
>>>>
>>>> A.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
>>>> <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com
>>>> <mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We obviously discuss
>>>> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content
>>>> at all
>>>> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
>>>> 3. if no, whom to contact.
>>>> Then we contact people.
>>>>
>>>> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov
>>>> <abartov(a)wikimedia.org
<mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
>>>> expectation of this committee that nothing will
>>>> happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony
>>>> confirming that the content currently in the
>>>> Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri?
>>>> Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such
>>>> testimony?
>>>>
>>>> A.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
>>>> <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> Reading an article does not make us an expert.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr
>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here's the article I found titled "Update
>>>> on Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John
>>>> Anonby: original link
>>>>
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
>>>> you can see on the figure #2, said
>>>> "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main
>>>> dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other
>>>> dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the
>>>> figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map,
>>>> said "Lurestani" is the main area of
>>>> Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these
>>>> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands
>>>> for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area
>>>> on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of
>>>> Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see
>>>> the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and
>>>> "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad"
(Southern
>>>> Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197
>>>> you can compares the example differences
>>>> between these languages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>>>> As I mentioned also concerning Western
>>>>> Balochi, we need an outside scholar /
>>>>> linguist / language expert for
>>>>> verification purposes. Any useful
>>>>> bona-fide contacts?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>>> This
>>>>>>
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
>>>>>> is the list of top articles was provided
>>>>>> by Mogoeilor, even he named the language
>>>>>> of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their
>>>>>> main page, and I didn't see that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>> A longstanding requirement for any
and
>>>>>>>> all languages is that they have to
have
>>>>>>>> an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are
a
>>>>>>>> language not a macro language.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
>>>>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as they
are
>>>>>>>> a resources of world's
languages,
>>>>>>>> people are the resources and
they
>>>>>>>> only maintainer code, the
unified
>>>>>>>> codes that the world uses. Is
there
>>>>>>>> any confirmation of Luri
Wikipedia
>>>>>>>> yet?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard
>>>>>>>> Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer
of
>>>>>>>>> the ISO-639-3. As such they
are an
>>>>>>>>> authority.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34,
Mjbmr
>>>>>>>>> <mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're right, I
can't trust a
>>>>>>>>> self verification too,
but
>>>>>>>>> what do you expect me do
to?,
>>>>>>>>> you can probably find a
lot of
>>>>>>>>> trustable resources on
the
>>>>>>>>> Internet, I my self
can't even
>>>>>>>>> trust ethnologue, because
I
>>>>>>>>> found unuseful
information on
>>>>>>>>> it and I don't know
where they
>>>>>>>>> come from, at least in
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia, we have
resources,
>>>>>>>>> I didn't expect that
from you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM,
Gerard
>>>>>>>>> Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this
not an
>>>>>>>>>> authority. It has
never been.
>>>>>>>>>> Again, self
certification
>>>>>>>>>> does not work for
me.. We
>>>>>>>>>> have been hurt by
that before.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at
00:03,
>>>>>>>>>> Mjbmr
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alright then,
that's
>>>>>>>>>> Northern Luri,
fair
>>>>>>>>>> enough, I
didn't have any
>>>>>>>>>> knowledge that
there is a
>>>>>>>>>> southern dialect
of it
>>>>>>>>>> and people of
Kohgiluyeh
>>>>>>>>>> and Boyerahmadi,
and
>>>>>>>>>> Yasuj speak that,
I only
>>>>>>>>>> knew Lorestan,
but per
>>>>>>>>>> English
wikipedia,
>>>>>>>>>> they're
dialects of
>>>>>>>>>> Northern Luri
which this
>>>>>>>>>> wiki is written
in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12
AM,
>>>>>>>>>> Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>>>> Check this
out ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It rather
complicates
>>>>>>>>>>> things... By
the way
>>>>>>>>>>> self
certification is
>>>>>>>>>>> not a good
idea.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
GerardM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 April
2015 at
>>>>>>>>>>> 22:45, Mjbmr
>>>>>>>>>>>
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
100%, as I live
>>>>>>>>>>> Iran and
I know some
>>>>>>>>>>> parts of
this
>>>>>>>>>>> language,
it is
>>>>>>>>>>>
definitely Luri.
>>>>>>>>>>> Mohammad
Mogoei
>>>>>>>>>>>
(User:Mogoeilor) the
>>>>>>>>>>> most
active user of
>>>>>>>>>>> this
project is from
>>>>>>>>>>> Lorestan
so
>>>>>>>>>>>
definitely he speaks
>>>>>>>>>>> in this
language
>>>>>>>>>>> every
day. In Iran
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
called Luri,
>>>>>>>>>>> some
people call it
>>>>>>>>>>> Lurish
>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
>>>>>>>>>>> as the
translation
>>>>>>>>>>> for
English, per
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
language should
>>>>>>>>>>> be called
Northern
>>>>>>>>>>> Luri, but
none of it
>>>>>>>>>>> dialects
are called
>>>>>>>>>>> Luri, so
I call it
>>>>>>>>>>> Luri too.
I have
>>>>>>>>>>> also
submitted and
>>>>>>>>>>> now
accepted a
>>>>>>>>>>> ticket to
CLDR to
>>>>>>>>>>> support
this
>>>>>>>>>>> language.
Other
>>>>>>>>>>> proposal
of dialects
>>>>>>>>>>> of this
language
>>>>>>>>>>> like
Bakhtiari
>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
>>>>>>>>>>> failed
because of
>>>>>>>>>>> being a
part of this
>>>>>>>>>>> language.
Also they
>>>>>>>>>>> list of
article I've
>>>>>>>>>>> just
provided are
>>>>>>>>>>> the best
of them as
>>>>>>>>>>> you can
see there
>>>>>>>>>>> are no
Persian words
>>>>>>>>>>> in them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On
4/25/2015 12:37
>>>>>>>>>>> AM,
Gerard Meijssen
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we
have
>>>>>>>>>>>>
confirmation that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is
indeed Luri ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gerard
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24
April 2015 at
>>>>>>>>>>>>
20:42, Mjbmr
>>>>>>>>>>>>
<mjbmri(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
<mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
ask langcom
>>>>>>>>>>>>
members for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
approval of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Luri Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
here are some
>>>>>>>>>>>>
top articles I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
could list, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>
there are more
>>>>>>>>>>>>
of them
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
1. استیو جابز
>>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
(Steve Jobs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
2. آلورت
>>>>>>>>>>>>
انیشتین
>>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
(Albert
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Einstein)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
3. کلمبیا
>>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
(Colombia)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
4. شهید چمران
>>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
(Mostafa
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Chamran)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
5. شایا عیلامی
>>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
(List of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
rulers of Elam)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
6. کارلوس
>>>>>>>>>>>>
فوئنتس
>>>>>>>>>>>>
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
(Carlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Fuentes)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Analysis
>>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
shows that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>
project has
>>>>>>>>>>>>
enough users
>>>>>>>>>>>>
and most of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
mediawiki
>>>>>>>>>>>>
message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
>>>>>>>>>>>>
been translated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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