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Stop SA Government Internet Tax & Censorship Plan
by ubuntupunk＠gmail.com 20 Aug '15

20 Aug '15

Stop SA Government Internet Tax & Censorship Plan <http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/18/stop-fpb-net-censorship/> [image: stop net tax] <https://davidrobertlewis.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/stop-net-tax.png>[image: stop toll] <https://davidrobertlewis.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/stop-toll.png> PRE-PUBLICATION NET CENSORSHIP ENVISAGED BY THE FPB WILL CREATE ENORMOUS BURDEN OF REDTAPE, THE TERABYTES OF INFORMATION ON THE NET WILL NEVER BE CLASSIFIED UNDER THE PROPOSED SYSTEM WHICH IS UNWORKABLE, SINCE IT REQUIRES ENORMOUS LABOUR-HOUR CAPACITY BY THE DEPARTMENT WHO VIEW CONTENT PRODUCERS AS POTENTIAL FEE DONORS, THIS REPRESENTS A TAX ON THE INTERNET! UNDER THE PLAN, EACH AND VERY PIECE OF MEDIA UPLOADED ONTO THE NET WOULD HAVE TO BE FIRST SUBMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF FILMS AND PUBLICATIONS UPON PAYMENT OF A FEE, IN ORDER FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO CLASSIFY THE MATERIAL, THIS REPRESENTS A SERIOUS BLOW TO INTERNET FREE-FLOW OF INFORMATION. INTERNET CONTENT PRODUCERS WHO FAIL TO DO THIS, WILL BE TURNED INTO CRIMINALS! SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS AND BLOGS WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE ACT, WHICH RECKLESSLY ENVISAGES AN ETOLL. SOUTH AFRICA’S SECUROCRAT CABINET HAS ALREADY APPROVED THE FPB BILL WHICH IS BEFORE THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY. WE CAN STOP THIS NET TAX WITH YOUR HELP! [image: stop] *A response from an Arts and Culture perspective* The Film and Publications Board is a public entity that falls under the Department of Communications and was created to regulate the creation, production and distribution of films, games and ‘certain publications’ through classifications. It has put an argument forward that South Africa has seen an increase in the use of portable devices for gaming and social networking which has been economically beneficial, but also ensures a proliferation of illegal content in and the abuse of social media platforms. According to the FPB, these instances amount to a threat to the nations’ morality and stand to undermine the government’s agenda on social cohesion. In response, they have suggested new regulations that allow the FPB considerable power to exercise prior restraint in terms of almost all forms of content that gets produced and published online. To quote the Right to Know Campaign, “The FPB wants broadly defined powers to police everything published on the Internet – including blogs, personal Web sites and Facebook pages, which amounts to censorship and is a violation of freedom of expression.“ This would be achieved through a) the requirement that anyone who wants to publish or distribute content to first apply for a digital publisher’s online distribution agreement with the FPB, which will require a subscription fee. After that step, the publisher then has to submit the content to the FPB for classification before publishing ( http://www.r2k.org.za/2015/03/10/statement-stop-the-film-and-publications-b… ). As the African Arts Institute. we would like to put forward the following four points in the strongest terms possible: 1) The proposed regulations are *unconstitutional* in as far as they contradict the right to freedom of speech by implementing the globally discredited notion of ‘*prior restraint’* (this is at odds with Section 16 (1b) in the Bill of Rights. Pre-publication censorship is a concept which has already been thrown out by our Constitutional Court in regards to the press). 2) Second, any system of prior restraint is costly, time-consuming and wholly *implausible*. The terabytes of information on the Internet could never be vetted in real time by any human censor board. The backlog itself would lead to absurdity and the rest of the world would reject us as an online destination in terms of client-services. 3) Third, proposed regulations allow the state to assume to role of a moral guardian and parent, this presents a contradiction to the freedom default in our Bill of Rights. The* state is an unfit parent* for the censorship and moral policing of the content and expression available in contemporary forms of communication in South Africa. The FPB, in its regulations, appears to raise a number of important points about the nature and limits of free speech and what the internet and instant communication has done to such debates. It mentions for example that “in 2014 cases related to freedom of speech increased from 3% to 22% of the more than the 10 000 cases dealt with by the Human Rights Commission. Furthermore, social media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter contributed to this increase and appear to have shifted the discourse of free speech. These cases are often complex, containing elements of racism, poverty, ignorance and misguided hatred.” Sadly however, the proposals do not suggest democratic ways to move these debates forward and establish mechanisms for the empowerment of family structures. Parents are better equipped than the state to make decisions concerning children and the Internet, and the FPB should rather provide guides for protection of children . Ultimately the regulations cannot practically prevent the distribution of content that may be harmful to children. Laws against child pornography already exist and do not necessitate a system of prior restraint and censorship. 4) Many commentators have compared the bill to apartheid-era censorship regulations that contradict the democratic culture, openness and freedom of post-apartheid South Africa. The cases outlined by the board in no way present a security threat that calls for such drastic measures. Freedom of expression and media freedom are cornerstones of democracy and efforts to restrict these present a threat to the entire social system. Artists and creative practitioners, have a social role to reflect and comment on society, to agitate, provide relief, joy, curiosity and amusement and to critique the status quo. Their role is critical in the societies ability to understand itself, its past and develop a shared future. These regulations hold a particular threat for the work of artists and creative practitioners (from dancers to journalists), whose work is often to question what is moral, to provoke critical thought and to expose unpleasant realities. Such content cannot be subject to prior restraint and pre-publication censorship without undermining the very core of creative work. If adopted the regulations would have a chilling effect, both on the production of content and the freedom upon which our economy is based. This is definitely not the open society that we voted for in 1994 and certainly not within the spirit of the constitution and the culture of the freedom struggle which created it. The bill must be rejected. The African Arts Institute also supports the Right to Know Campaigns in some of the main concerns that these regulations raise which are around: a) The time consuming nature of the proposed regulations: pre-classifying content undermines immediacy of online content. b)The democratic nature of the internet, which allows open publication access to anyone who can get online, and thus ensures an enormous diversity of content, would be undermined by the bureaucratic conditions of subscription fees and distribution agreements. c) The suggestion that the FPB would be able to conduct its classification work in cases deemed necessary to distributors’ premises to classify digital content is a draconian suggestion that places enormous power in the hands of the state to invade the physical privacy of its citizens with little evidence of the threat that would call for such action. -- *David Robert Lewis* *PO BOX 4398* *Cape Town* *8000* *South Africa* *Mobile 082 425 1454* *Home 021 448 0021* *Fax **0862396815* *Skype david.robert.lewis*

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Wiki Loves Monuments 2015
by Douglas Scott 18 Aug '15

18 Aug '15

Hello everyone, This is an announcement that preparation for this year's Wiki Loves Monuments 2015 we have organised two workshops with our event partners ORMS. Unfortunately the first event this weekend on Saturday is already fully booked but I will make space for any Wikipedians who wish to attend and assist in showing people how to submit photographs on commons. The event is focused firstly on showing people how to photograph buildings (something that is surprisingly difficult to do) as well as inform them of Wiki Loves Monuments. Please let me know if you are interested in helping out. The next workshop will be held on Saturday the 19th September. I will forward you all a link to that signup page as soon as ORMS opens up registration. Here is a link to the workshop page on the ORMS website: https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/workshops/workshop/how-to-photograph-buildings… Thanks, Douglas. -- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727

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DjMlindos Blocked
by David Richfield 18 Aug '15

18 Aug '15

Hi Linda, I can't see the old versions of the page that you were editing because I'm not an administrator on the English Wikipedia, so I can't tell exactly what the content was, but looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westrand I see that it was deleted three times, twice for "unambiguous advertising or promotion" and once for copyright infringement. The policies under which it was deleted are linked on that page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Advertising - which links through to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_… I'd strongly encourage you to read these policies before returning to edit again. Whenever a Wikipedia editor sees a new page that doesn't look like it belongs in an encyclopedia, or which contains text that was taken from a copyrighted source, it is likely to get deleted quickly. If the editor who created the page just recreates it without addressing the issue for which it was deleted in the first place, he gets blocked. This is normal. I see on your talk page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DjMlindos) that Kinu removed your request to unblock you, and looking at the page history I can see why. An unblock request is when you explain to an administrator that your account should no longer be blocked, because: a) you should not have been blocked in the first place (because you did nothing wrong: the admin made a mistake in blocking you) OR b) you understand what you did wrong, and you promise not to do it again. In your unblock request, you wrote what basically looks like an advertisement for your company ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DjMlindos&diff=5232589… ) This is almost guaranteed to keep you blocked for good, because it shows that you don't understand the purpose of Wikipedia, or at least, how to interact properly with administrators. I hope this has helped you understand what happened: please feel free to ask for more information. Best regards, -- David Richfield [[:en:User:Slashme]] +49 176 72663368 On 18 August 2015 at 11:38, Linda Sibisi <djmlindos(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Good morning there guys I was blocked by Kinu for trying to edit a page > about my hometown kagiso and westrand, I would like to activate my account > and be able to edit. Please help? > > My account is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DjMlindos and the page I > was working on is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westrand. > > Mr Linda Sibisi > Project Manager/Webmaster > Tel : 011 410 0131 > Cell: 078 264 3605 > www.kagisotownship.co.za > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> This is an announcement that preparation for this year's Wiki Loves >> Monuments 2015 we have organised two workshops with our event partners >> ORMS. Unfortunately the first event this weekend on Saturday is already >> fully booked but I will make space for any Wikipedians who wish to attend >> and assist in showing people how to submit photographs on commons. >> >> The event is focused firstly on showing people how to photograph buildings >> (something that is surprisingly difficult to do) as well as inform them of >> Wiki Loves Monuments. >> >> Please let me know if you are interested in helping out. >> >> The next workshop will be held on Saturday the 19th September. I will >> forward you all a link to that signup page as soon as ORMS opens up >> registration. >> >> Here is a link to the workshop page on the ORMS website: >> >> https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/workshops/workshop/how-to-photograph-buildings… >> >> Thanks, >> >> Douglas. >> >> -- >> Douglas Ian Scott >> 司道格 >> Skype: douglas0scott >> South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaZA mailing list >> WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >> > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaZA mailing list > WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza

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Cape Town meetup: 6th September 2015
by Douglas Scott 12 Aug '15

12 Aug '15

Hello everyone, This is just to let you all know that the next Cape Town meetup will be happening on the 6th September 2015 at the usual place (Truth Coffee on 36 Buitenkant St, Cape Town). We are going to try and see if we can coordinate this with the first Johannesburg meetup to also be on the same day and time. So if you are in Cape Town and want to catch about Wiki related things (and get some free coffee) then please feel free to join us. Details about the meetup can be found on the event's page on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Cape_Town/Cape_Town_9 Here are the details of the Cape Town meetup: Location: Truth Coffee, 36 Buitenkant St, Cape Town Time: 11:00 - 14:00 Also a quick shout out to remind everyone that we are less than a month away from this year's Wiki Loves Monuments event. Please let me know if you are interested in helping out or organising a local heritage hunt event in your community. Cheers, Douglas. -- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727

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Please remove me from the mailing list
by Sam van den Berg 29 Jun '15

29 Jun '15

Please remove sjjvdberg(a)gmail.com from your mailing lists. Many thanks Sam van den Berg

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Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results
by Douglas Scott 29 Jun '15

29 Jun '15

Hello everyone, As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you were on Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a survey, this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less than 3 weeks time. Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you spot any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling. It is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a smaller flyer. Cheers, Douglas -- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727

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Re: [Wikimedia ZA] WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5
by Grant McNulty 28 Jun '15

28 Jun '15

Interesting, thanks for sharing! On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 4:35 PM, <wikimediaza-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Send WikimediaZA mailing list submissions to > wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimediaza-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimediaza-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WikimediaZA digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results > (Ian Gilfillan) > 2. Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results > (Mapaseka Vryman) > 3. June 2015 African language Wikipedia update (Ian Gilfillan) > 4. Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results > (Douglas Scott) > 5. Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results > (bobby shabangu) > 6. Re: June 2015 African language Wikipedia update (Asaf Bartov) > 7. Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results > (David Richfield) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:34:05 +0200 > From: Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za> > To: wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey results > Message-ID: <558FF7CD.80904(a)greenman.co.za> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Thanks for putting this together Douglas. > > An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in > languages besides English. Something like: > > - Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here) > - If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which? > - If no (the question above), why not? > > And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It > would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a > language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what > percentage of non-first language speakers, etc. > > ian > > On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote: > > Hi Frank, > > > > That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small > difference > > if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have > > made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the > > results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South > > Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and > > converse in. > > > > The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia all > > the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) have > > go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I > > hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to have > > vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another > > indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak > > those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. > But > > that is just a theory. > > > > Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next > > survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for > > the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not > in > > any way be an excuse not to translate). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Douglas. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:41:58 +0200 > From: Mapaseka Vryman <mapaseka.vryman(a)gmail.com> > To: Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za> > Cc: "wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org" > <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey results > Message-ID: > < > CAOP5ok6dbzVu3hoXMVSqnJN-pFdttjE_dWTnKEED7j1rRwyuug(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks Ian, > Was not aware Wikipedia is available local African languages. Would love to > get involved in those. > > On Sunday, June 28, 2015, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za> > wrote: > > > Thanks for putting this together Douglas. > > > > An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in > > languages besides English. Something like: > > > > - Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here) > > - If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which? > > - If no (the question above), why not? > > > > And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It > > would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a > > language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what > > percentage of non-first language speakers, etc. > > > > ian > > > > On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote: > > > >> Hi Frank, > >> > >> That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small > >> difference > >> if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have > >> made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the > >> results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South > >> Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and > >> converse in. > >> > >> The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia > all > >> the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) > have > >> go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I > >> hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to > have > >> vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another > >> indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak > >> those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. > >> But > >> that is just a theory. > >> > >> Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next > >> survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for > >> the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not > in > >> any way be an excuse not to translate). > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Douglas. > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > -- > Regards, > Mapaseka > Sent from my iPad > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:46:52 +0200 > From: Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za> > To: "wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org" > <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] June 2015 African language Wikipedia update > Message-ID: <558FFACC.7050109(a)greenman.co.za> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi > > Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. > http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772 > > ian > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:47:34 +0200 > From: Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com> > To: Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za> > Cc: wikimediaza <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey results > Message-ID: > < > CAJ6y08FfFNH4Esxnm4nkbNZs1OzBt2ea+S+CH05W60366_gONw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Ian, > > That is a very good suggestion and a couple of very good questions for the > next survey. I would also be interested to see the results of that. > > Thanks, > > Douglas. > > On 28 June 2015 at 15:34, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za> > wrote: > > > Thanks for putting this together Douglas. > > > > An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in > > languages besides English. Something like: > > > > - Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here) > > - If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which? > > - If no (the question above), why not? > > > > And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It > > would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a > > language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what > > percentage of non-first language speakers, etc. > > > > ian > > > > On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote: > > > >> Hi Frank, > >> > >> That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small > >> difference > >> if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have > >> made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the > >> results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South > >> Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and > >> converse in. > >> > >> The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia > all > >> the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) > have > >> go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I > >> hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to > have > >> vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another > >> indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak > >> those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. > >> But > >> that is just a theory. > >> > >> Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next > >> survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for > >> the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not > in > >> any way be an excuse not to translate). > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Douglas. > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > > -- > Douglas Ian Scott > 司道格 > Skype: douglas0scott > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:57:44 +0200 > From: bobby shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com> > To: Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com> > Cc: wikimediaza <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey results > Message-ID: > < > CAFC6Omf5G03ZBrTWEbtcEQvQnGuGfqDjQc698wkaKj2nFozF6g(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I'm here to help you Mapaseka. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Ian, > > > > That is a very good suggestion and a couple of very good questions for > the > > next survey. I would also be interested to see the results of that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Douglas. > > > > On 28 June 2015 at 15:34, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za> > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks for putting this together Douglas. > > > > > > An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in > > > languages besides English. Something like: > > > > > > - Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here) > > > - If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which? > > > - If no (the question above), why not? > > > > > > And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It > > > would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a > > > language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what > > > percentage of non-first language speakers, etc. > > > > > > ian > > > > > > On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Frank, > > >> > > >> That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small > > >> difference > > >> if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would > have > > >> made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the > > >> results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of > South > > >> Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and > > >> converse in. > > >> > > >> The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia > > all > > >> the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) > > have > > >> go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. > I > > >> hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to > > have > > >> vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is > another > > >> indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who > speak > > >> those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. > > >> But > > >> that is just a theory. > > >> > > >> Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next > > >> survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget > for > > >> the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should > not > > in > > >> any way be an excuse not to translate). > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Douglas. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > > WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Douglas Ian Scott > > 司道格 > > Skype: douglas0scott > > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:02:41 -0700 > From: Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> > To: Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za> > Cc: "wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org" > <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] June 2015 African language Wikipedia > update > Message-ID: > < > CAAmrcwc0v4+6kVFVFRBy1f6snnDeTFBuwzu88kwUGT9-8buoEg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thank you for putting this together, Ian. > > A. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za > > > wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. > > http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772 > > > > ian > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > > -- > Asaf Bartov > Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > https://donate.wikimedia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:35:43 +0200 > From: David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com> > To: Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Wikimedia South Africa Mailing List > <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey results > Message-ID: > < > CAE_D4n4qo1EXSf9gqa5A3iujHdDPaFF8yTLh2SxsnGj0HRP_Mw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Good questions and comments from the other participants. > > All I would like to add is that I found the infographic clear and readable, > with good style. > > I would have preferred the "human" character to have curves instead of > sharp corners, and by the minor nature of that quibble you can gauge my > level of satisfaction! > On 28 Jun 2015 01:16, "Douglas Scott" <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Thanks for the feedback. Jacques I have included your suggestions into > the > > latest version which you can find at the link I previously sent out (see > > link provided again below). William I have increased the size of the > map, > > has that made it any easier to read that section? Also in answer to your > > question about updates, I have been told that the survey ended around > last > > week so it should not need updating, however if it is still going on > then I > > will update it as soon as I am back from Mexico which should be around > the > > end of July. > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_201… > > > > I have also just added the age of our 'average' (admittedly a term I am > > using very broadly here) South African Wikipedian. > > > > Cheers and thanks for the feedback, > > > > Douglas. > > > > On 27 June 2015 at 22:38, Jacques Avril du Toit <dtoitj(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Dear Douglas > > > > > > > > > Congratulations on a job well-done! I have browsed through your > findings > > > and I don’t have much to add. Here are a few suggestions, but these are > > not > > > compulsory to integrate though: > > > > > > · Instead of survey, indicate it was an *online *survey. This > will > > > indicate that you have taken into account the online research ethics > > > involved in approaching and dealing with your respondents. > > > > > > · “The majority of editors are based in only two provinces.” > > > > > > I agree with your response relating to the ‘first language’ issue. I > > think > > > this question is a problem in many “[research] contexts” of South > Africa. > > > I mean: Should participants indicate their ‘home language’ (spoken at > > > home), of their school attended, or the languages used in the workplace > > > (‘language of wider communication’)? To be fair, think if 40% of your > > > population indicated that they speak English as a L1, just integrate it > > as > > > that. > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, good job! All the best! > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > JdT > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 PM, William Stucke <William(a)stucke.co.za> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Thank you for doing this, Douglas. Very impressive. I presume that you > > >> will update the results with the figures obtained at the end of the > > month? > > >> > > >> I didn't spot any obvious typos, but the image with the numbers on > the > > >> map isn't all that easy to read. Other than that, I think that it's > > great. > > >> > > >> Kind regards, > > >> > > >> William Stucke > > >> 079-501-0850 > > >> William(a)stucke.co.za > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: wikimediaza-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > > >> wikimediaza-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Scott > > >> Sent: 27 June 2015 08:46 AM > > >> To: wikimediaza > > >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey > > >> results > > >> > > >> Hi Everyone, > > >> > > >> I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with > nothing > > >> attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing > > list > > >> dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there > > at > > >> the link here: > > >> > > >> > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_201… > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Douglas. > > >> > > >> On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hello everyone, > > >> > > > >> > As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a > > >> > survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So > if > > >> > you were on Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to > > >> > participate in a survey, this is it. I have spent much of the day > > >> > today going over some of the results of the survey and have > summarised > > >> > some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is > > >> > still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's > > >> > Wikimania which will be happening in less than > > >> > 3 weeks time. > > >> > > > >> > Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if > you > > >> > spot any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially > > >> > spelling. It is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so > > >> > please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit > on > > >> a smaller flyer. > > >> > > > >> > Cheers, > > >> > > > >> > Douglas > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Douglas Ian Scott > > >> > 司道格 > > >> > Skype: douglas0scott > > >> > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Douglas Ian Scott > > >> 司道格 > > >> Skype: douglas0scott > > >> South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> WikimediaZA mailing list > > >> WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> WikimediaZA mailing list > > >> WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Douglas Ian Scott > > 司道格 > > Skype: douglas0scott > > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaZA mailing list > WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > End of WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5 > ****************************************** > -- *Dr Grant McNulty* *Cell: *076 419 8587 *Twitter:* mcn_consulting <http://twitter.com/mcn_consulting> *Web: *www.mcnulty.co.za *Newsletter:* Sign up <http://mcnulty.us5.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=349a40cfd543b5d5b31fe693c&id…> * <http://www.mcnulty.co.za/>*

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by VOliviertjie 16 Jun '15

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VOliviertjie(a)msn.com Thank you Victor Olivier

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8th Cape Town meetup reminder
by Douglas Scott 25 May '15

25 May '15

Hello everyone, This is just a quick friendly reminder that the 8th Cape Town meetup will be happening this Saturday, 30th May at the Wild Clover farm in Stellenbosch (ironically not Cape Town). It will begin at 10am and go on until 2pm or so. Times are flexible. All are welcome. Especially if you have an interest in anything Wiki related. We will be announcing the winners of the Wiki From Above aerial photographic competition there. Keep a look out for Wikipedia banners and such. You can find out more details and RSVP at the meetup page on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Cape_Town/Cape_Town_8 *Details* Location:Wild Clover Farm, SMAA, Stellenbosch Directions: from N1 north 1 km past the Engen 1 stop, take the Klipheuwel/ Stellenbosch offramp. Turn right towards Stellenbosch, over the freeway, over a railway bridge and approx. 1.2 kms from the Villiera/ Koelenhof signs on the right-hand side. Wild Clover Farm phone number: +27 (0)21 865 2248 If you have any questions please feel free to drop me a message on my user page or phone/message me on the day: Phone: 079 515 8727 Cheers, -- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727

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