The current situation is as follows: We have promised not to continue the
closure procedure for a month. This was agreed at Wikimania. When the month
is over and there has been no editing activity or localisation activity, a
closure procedure will start that takes some two months. When there is no
editing or localisation activity the content of the Sotho Wikipedia will be
moved to the Incubator awaiting editing and localisation activity.
In order to get out of the Incubator, a project has to comply with the
requirements of a new project. This includes activity by multiple people
over a couple of months. It also includes a minumum number of articles and a
minimal localisation of the user interface.
The requirements are designed to give a project a good chance to grow and
prosper. As you can read in my reply, what we are looking for is people
caring for their language, caring for their Wikipedia.
2011/8/30 Achal Prabhala <aprabhala(a)gmail.com>
> Dear Gerard,
> Can this be true? Doesn't sound to me like it is. (Or at least I didn't
> know that LangCom even had a 'delete' policy). Would like to know more if
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Fwd: Sotho
> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:50:27 +0200
> From: David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com>
> To: Kerryn McKay <kerryn(a)africancommons.org>
> CC: wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.**org<wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org>,
> Heather Ford <hford(a)ushahidi.com>
> What happens if it's deleted and we later get interest? Can we "undelete"?
> David Richfield
> WikimediaZA mailing list
> WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.**org <WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
At the beginning of 2011, a group of us began working on a project to
explore alternative methods of citation on Wikipedia. We were motivated
by the lack of published resources in much of the non-Anglo-European
world, and the very real difficulty of citing everyday aspects of lived
reality in India and South Africa.
We are now at a stage where the project is almost complete, and we'd
like to share our work with the broader movement, especially within
India and South Africa.
There are three languages we worked within: Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi.
The project page documents the process and logistics employed, as well
as the findings and results:
A film made from the project is available here: http://vimeo.com/26469276
There have been discussions on oral citations for some time now within
the language communities we worked with for the duration of the project.
At this stage, we are really interested in *your* feedback, either on
this list, or on the Discussion section of the project page.
There are still some things to come, namely:
- Better (high resolution) versions of the film on Wikimedia Commons
with an open subtitle track for translation, in process
- Updates on events, meetings and discussions held around the project
(updated as they happen)
- Updates on articles created in Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi as a result
of the project (updated as they happen)
We would be very grateful to hear your feedback, and begin a broader
Nhlanhla and I were at Wikimania and Gerard approached us saying that Sotho WP was on the verge of being deleted unless editors were found to help. I've tweeted and put out a call on Facebook with one reply for help from a friend (who will ask his friends). But perhaps everyone on this list might put out a similar call?
I was thinking of putting a little thread together just to urge each other on (I'm going to start editing prominent Africans in English this week) - or we could add people to this list?
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
> Date: August 29, 2011 10:39:45 AM PDT
> To: Heather Ford <hford(a)ushahidi.com>
> Cc: Nhlanhla Mabaso <NMabaso(a)gmail.com>, Language committee <langcom-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: Sotho
> I promised that nothing would be done for a month from the end of Wikimania. So nothing has been done yet and we, the members of the WMF language committee hope that that is the end of the story. It is best when our projects thrive and get the attention they so desperately need.
> On 29 August 2011 19:05, Heather Ford <hford(a)ushahidi.com> wrote:
> Hi Gerard,
> Trying to find the closure of the Sotho WP and found only this https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_proj… but it says that there's a new policy? Hopefully Nhlanhla and I can convince people to start editing (if it hasn't been removed already)
> Heather Ford
> Ethnographer: Ushahidi / SwiftRiver
> http://ushahidi.com | http://swiftly.org
> @hfordsa on Twitter
Ethnographer: Ushahidi / SwiftRiver
http://ushahidi.com | http://swiftly.org
@hfordsa on Twitter
I like the Facebook idea. Let me know once you have the page setup/group so
I can join and we can share ideas on how to add articles to Sesotho WP.
Having the WP closes should not be an option.
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Heather Ford wrote:
> >> Hey K,
> >> I agree with you - we need this to be organic otherwise it will be
> >> unsustainable. When Gerard first told me about the problem, I said that
> >> was impossible for just Nhlanhla and I to 'save Sotho Wikipedia'. But
> >> I thought: actually it might be interesting to at least tell Sotho
> >> speakers that it might be removed (actually, I don't think they ever
> >> completely remove - they move to the incubator or something) and see
> >> happens.
> >> There are a few people interested, it seems, on Facebook and they're
> >> thinking of setting up a page to discuss. It would be nice if we could
> >> over there and help them and encourage them. But if it doesn't work,
> >> I feel like it's not serious. Just keep the channels open, ya know :)
> >> How does that sound to people?