Interesting, thanks for sharing!
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1. Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results
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2. Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results
(Mapaseka Vryman)
3. June 2015 African language Wikipedia update (Ian Gilfillan)
4. Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results
(Douglas Scott)
5. Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results
(bobby shabangu)
6. Re: June 2015 African language Wikipedia update (Asaf Bartov)
7. Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:34:05 +0200
From: Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za>
To: wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA
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Thanks for putting this together Douglas.
An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in
languages besides English. Something like:
- Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here)
- If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which?
- If no (the question above), why not?
And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It
would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a
language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what
percentage of non-first language speakers, etc.
ian
On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote:
Hi Frank,
That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small
difference
if the survey was done in other languages however
I doubt it would have
made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the
results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South
Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and
converse in.
The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia all
the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) have
go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I
hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to have
vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another
indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak
those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia.
But
that is just a theory.
Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next
survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for
the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not
in
any way be an excuse not to translate).
Cheers,
Douglas.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:41:58 +0200
From: Mapaseka Vryman <mapaseka.vryman(a)gmail.com>
To: Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za>
Cc: "wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org"
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA
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Thanks Ian,
Was not aware Wikipedia is available local African languages. Would love to
get involved in those.
On Sunday, June 28, 2015, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za>
wrote:
Thanks for putting this together Douglas.
An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in
languages besides English. Something like:
- Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here)
- If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which?
- If no (the question above), why not?
And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It
would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a
language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what
percentage of non-first language speakers, etc.
ian
On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote:
> Hi Frank,
>
> That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small
> difference
> if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have
> made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the
> results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South
> Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and
> converse in.
>
> The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia
all
> the other African language Wikipedias
(isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on)
have
> go so few articles and editors on them that
they are basically dead. I
> hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to
have
> vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South
Africa's languages. This is another
> indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak
> those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia.
> But
> that is just a theory.
>
> Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next
> survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for
> the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not
in
any way
be an excuse not to translate).
Cheers,
Douglas.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:46:52 +0200
From: Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za>
To: "wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org"
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Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] June 2015 African language Wikipedia update
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Hi
Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias.
http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772
ian
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:47:34 +0200
From: Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com>
To: Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za>
Cc: wikimediaza <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA
survey results
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Hi Ian,
That is a very good suggestion and a couple of very good questions for the
next survey. I would also be interested to see the results of that.
Thanks,
Douglas.
On 28 June 2015 at 15:34, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za>
wrote:
Thanks for putting this together Douglas.
An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in
languages besides English. Something like:
- Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here)
- If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which?
- If no (the question above), why not?
And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It
would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a
language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what
percentage of non-first language speakers, etc.
ian
On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote:
> Hi Frank,
>
> That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small
> difference
> if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have
> made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the
> results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South
> Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and
> converse in.
>
> The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia
all
> the other African language Wikipedias
(isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on)
have
> go so few articles and editors on them that
they are basically dead. I
> hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to
have
> vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South
Africa's languages. This is another
> indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak
> those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia.
> But
> that is just a theory.
>
> Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next
> survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for
> the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not
in
any way
be an excuse not to translate).
Cheers,
Douglas.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:57:44 +0200
From: bobby shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com>
To: Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com>
Cc: wikimediaza <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA
survey results
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I'm here to help you Mapaseka.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Ian,
That is a very good suggestion and a couple of very good questions for
the
next survey. I would also be interested to see
the results of that.
Thanks,
Douglas.
On 28 June 2015 at 15:34, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za>
wrote:
> Thanks for putting this together Douglas.
> An idea for the next survey are some
questions on editing Wikipedias in
> languages besides English. Something like:
> - Are you aware that Wikipedia exists
in (list languages here)
> - If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which?
> - If no (the question above), why not?
> And then linking these results with
the respondent's first language. It
> would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a
> language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what
> percentage of non-first language speakers, etc.
> ian
> On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott
wrote:
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small
>> difference
>> if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would
have
>> made much of a difference to people
answering the question or even the
>> results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of
South
> >> Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and
> >> converse in.
> >>
> >> The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia
> all
>
> the other African language Wikipedias
(isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on)
> have
> >> go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead.
I
> hope
that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to
have
>> vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is
another
>> indicator that there just arent likely
to be very many people who
speak
>> those languages at a first language
level out there editing Wikipedia.
>> But
>> that is just a theory.
>>
>> Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next
>> survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget
for
>> the extra cost and time of organising
its translation (which should
not
in
any way
be an excuse not to translate).
Cheers,
Douglas.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:02:41 -0700
From: Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org>
To: Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za>
Cc: "wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org"
<wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] June 2015 African language Wikipedia
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Thank you for putting this together, Ian.
A.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za
wrote:
> Hi
> Here's another update on the
state of the African language Wikipedias.
>
http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772
> ian
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:35:43 +0200
From: David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com>
To: Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA
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Good questions and comments from the other participants.
All I would like to add is that I found the infographic clear and readable,
with good style.
I would have preferred the "human" character to have curves instead of
sharp corners, and by the minor nature of that quibble you can gauge my
level of satisfaction!
On 28 Jun 2015 01:16, "Douglas Scott" <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> Thanks for the feedback. Jacques I
have included your suggestions into
the
latest version which you can find at the link I
previously sent out (see
link provided again below). William I have increased the size of the
map,
has that made it any easier to read that section?
Also in answer to your
question about updates, I have been told that the survey ended around
last
week so it should not need updating, however if
it is still going on
then I
will update it as soon as I am back from Mexico
which should be around
the
> end of July.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_201…
> I have also just added the age of our
'average' (admittedly a term I am
> using very broadly here) South African Wikipedian.
> Cheers and thanks for the feedback,
> Douglas.
> On 27 June 2015 at 22:38, Jacques
Avril du Toit <dtoitj(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Dear Douglas
>
>
> > Congratulations on a job well-done! I have browsed
through your
findings
> > and I don’t have much to add. Here are a few suggestions, but these are
> not
> > compulsory to integrate though:
>
> > · Instead of survey,
indicate it was an *online *survey. This
will
> > indicate that you have taken into account the online research ethics
> > involved in approaching and dealing with your respondents.
>
> > · “The majority of
editors are based in only two provinces.”
>
> > I agree with your response
relating to the ‘first language’ issue. I
> think
> > this question is a problem in many “[research] contexts” of South
Africa.
> > I mean: Should participants indicate their ‘home language’ (spoken at
> > home), of their school attended, or the languages used in the workplace
> > (‘language of wider communication’)? To be fair, think if 40% of your
> > population indicated that they speak English as a L1, just integrate it
> as
> > that.
>
>
> > Otherwise, good job! All the best!
>
>
> > Regards
>
>
> > JdT
>
> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at
8:02 PM, William Stucke <William(a)stucke.co.za>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Thank you for doing
this, Douglas. Very impressive. I presume that you
> >> will update the results with the figures obtained at the end of the
> month?
> >>
> >> I didn't spot any obvious typos, but the image with the numbers on
the
> map
isn't all that easy to read. Other than that, I think that it's
great.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> William Stucke
>> 079-501-0850
>> William(a)stucke.co.za
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wikimediaza-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
>> wikimediaza-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Scott
>> Sent: 27 June 2015 08:46 AM
>> To: wikimediaza
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA
survey
>> results
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with
nothing
> >> attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing
> list
> >> dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there
> at
> >> the link here:
> >>
> >>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_201…
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Douglas.
> >>
> >> On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> > As many
of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a
> >> > survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So
if
>> > you were on Wikipedia recently and
saw a banner asking you to
>> > participate in a survey, this is it. I have spent much of the day
>> > today going over some of the results of the survey and have
summarised
> >> > some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is
> >> > still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's
> >> > Wikimania which will be happening in less than
> >> > 3 weeks time.
> >>
> >> > Please
let me know what you think of it and please let me know if
you
>> > spot any errors. I am pretty
terrable at copy editing, especially
>> > spelling. It is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so
>> > please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit
on
> >> a smaller flyer.
> >>
> >> > Cheers,
> >>
> >> > Douglas
> >>
> >> > --
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> >> > 司道格
> >> > Skype: douglas0scott
> >> > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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