The current situation is as follows: We have promised not to continue the
closure procedure for a month. This was agreed at Wikimania. When the month
is over and there has been no editing activity or localisation activity, a
closure procedure will start that takes some two months. When there is no
editing or localisation activity the content of the Sotho Wikipedia will be
moved to the Incubator awaiting editing and localisation activity.
In order to get out of the Incubator, a project has to comply with the
requirements of a new project. This includes activity by multiple people
over a couple of months. It also includes a minumum number of articles and a
minimal localisation of the user interface.
The requirements are designed to give a project a good chance to grow and
prosper. As you can read in my reply, what we are looking for is people
caring for their language, caring for their Wikipedia.
2011/8/30 Achal Prabhala <aprabhala(a)gmail.com>
> Dear Gerard,
> Can this be true? Doesn't sound to me like it is. (Or at least I didn't
> know that LangCom even had a 'delete' policy). Would like to know more if
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Fwd: Sotho
> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:50:27 +0200
> From: David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com>
> To: Kerryn McKay <kerryn(a)africancommons.org>
> CC: wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.**org<wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org>,
> Heather Ford <hford(a)ushahidi.com>
> What happens if it's deleted and we later get interest? Can we "undelete"?
> David Richfield
> WikimediaZA mailing list
> WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.**org <WikimediaZA(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
At the beginning of 2011, a group of us began working on a project to
explore alternative methods of citation on Wikipedia. We were motivated
by the lack of published resources in much of the non-Anglo-European
world, and the very real difficulty of citing everyday aspects of lived
reality in India and South Africa.
We are now at a stage where the project is almost complete, and we'd
like to share our work with the broader movement, especially within
India and South Africa.
There are three languages we worked within: Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi.
The project page documents the process and logistics employed, as well
as the findings and results:
A film made from the project is available here: http://vimeo.com/26469276
There have been discussions on oral citations for some time now within
the language communities we worked with for the duration of the project.
At this stage, we are really interested in *your* feedback, either on
this list, or on the Discussion section of the project page.
There are still some things to come, namely:
- Better (high resolution) versions of the film on Wikimedia Commons
with an open subtitle track for translation, in process
- Updates on events, meetings and discussions held around the project
(updated as they happen)
- Updates on articles created in Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi as a result
of the project (updated as they happen)
We would be very grateful to hear your feedback, and begin a broader
A couple of months ago I mentioned Google Nairobi's initiative to run
another Wikipedia Challenge in another African language. I asked for a
volunteer to train the judges and the participants, but then the project was
put on the back burner for a while. In the meantime I have had opportunity
to meet with the Google team at Nairobi, and have discussed our concerns
with the less-than-complete success of the Kiswahili challenge; we agreed
there would need to be better training on Wikipedia principles and
techniques, and that the training must be done by actual, experienced
So now it's back on, the dates are finalized, and the timeline is actually
pretty tight. The language chosen is Setswana, spoken in Botswana, and the
judges training will take place in Botho College on October 8th, with the
participant training taking place one week later, Oct 15th. The competition
will run 45 days. I apologize for not being able to give you more of an
advance notice, but things have been a challenge to set up and finalize, and
I didn't want to keep changing dates on you.
The judges training on the 8th will be done by a member of the Kenyan
Wikimedian group, a veteran of the Kiswahili Wikipedia Challenge of 2009.
We'd like the participants training to also involve a volunteer from South
So, we need _one_ volunteer who:
* can commit to flying to Botswana to deliver a one-day training session (in
English) on Oct 15th (WMF to provide tickets and accommodation).
* is interested in teaching people some basics of Wikipedia editing (the
interface, the syntax, talk pages, user pages) and core principles (Neutral
Point of View, references, avoiding plagiarism and copyright violations).
I can help with some training materials from the "campus ambassadors"
training on the Outreach wiki, but the exact contents and order of the
training is really up to you and the other trainer.
Note that the Setswana Wikipedia is completely inactive, and so this
Challenge is a good chance for it to breathe life into it. The up-side of
that is that there won't be much community interference in what the
participants do. ;) The down side, of course, is there would be no Setswana
Wikipedians _on the wiki_ to help them or give them instant feedback on what
they do. However, the participants will be able to get support for
technical or general questions in English, via IRC or a mailing list we'll
Please respond ASAP if you can make it.
An idea that I raised during a discussion between the language
committee and Wikimedia South Africa was to inform chapters when a
request for closing a wiki is made for a language that is spoken in a
country which has a Wikimedia chapter. For this I made a list on
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_per_Wikimedia_language -- it
took me some time but I think it is well worth it.
So when proposing a wiki for closure, you should inform the main
chapter listed there so they have a chance to find interested people
who can contribute to the respective project.
The list can also be useful when opening projects. If wanted, I or
formally the language committee could also directly inform chapters
when a wiki is opened in a language spoken in one or more countries
covered by chapters.
On Saturday 10 September 2011 06:07 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 14:17, Achal Prabhala<aprabhala(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is an excellent idea. However, to cut down on frivolous closure
>> requests, will you also make more explicit on the page (within the
>> policy) that requests for closure can *no longer* be based upon
>> inactivity alone? My understanding is that langcom has quite a lot to
>> take care of anyway, and this will simply forestall irrelevant requests
>> that cause inadvertent panic, like in the case of Sesotho and Xitsonga
> Is this better?
Yes indeed. Many thanks!
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Dear Wikipedians in South Africa,
Kindly find attached herewith a formal invite from the Indian Wikimedia
Community to attend WikiConference India 2011.
We hope some if not all of you can make it.
Chairperson - Organising Committee