Hello everyone,
On Moleskin, I think Rossouw's experience is the most meaningful to us as
he has had the most direct experience with them. Thank you Rossouw for
reminding us.
On Afrikaaps, about a month ago I did reach out (both via email and
facebook) to one of the authors of the recently published Kaaps
language dictionary about doing something with them to support the growth
of Kaaps language but I have received no response. I would suggest that we
continue to reach out to them (and others) to see we if can support the
development of that language on Wiki. Just because I am having no success
does not mean that someone else will also not have success.
Regards,
Douglas.
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 11:15, Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear Michael,
Thanks for your invaluable response. There's certainly a great need to
reach out to the coloured community for Wikipedia awareness and edit
workshops, there's a dearth of Afrikaaps on Wiki. @Shupai, trust you are
noting UWC.
Dear
Rossouw, your comment is noted, I'll reach out to Moleskin to raise these
concerns.
Best,
Bobby Shabangu
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:30, Rossouw van Rooyen <rossouwvr(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Not that I am under any illusion that my opinion
matters, but I strongly
recommend everyone to have absolutely nothing to do with this
leech-organisation.
*Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim <https://www.wildheim.net/>Cell:
081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650*
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:21, Michael Graaf <graaf.michael(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> what I was saying was that instead of seeing this as an issue of
Afrikaans
> being discriminated against, it should be
seen as careless
> communication/ignorance on the part of Moleskine. We would all gladly
> support them if they announced that their mission was to boost
> marginalised
> languages (those with small wikis/few contributors). However,they
> expressed
> it by saying they want to support indigenous languages, with an
assumption
that
these two categories overlap.
However Afrikaans is an exception, since it isn't marginalised. They
failed
to take that fact into consideration, and hence they raised false
expectations. Then, adding insult to injury, they tried to explain by
saying Afrikaans is not indigenous, rather than that it's not
marginalised.
So we need to advise them to be more careful.
On a personal note, let me remind board members that we have previously
discussed the issue of "Afrikaaps" being the marginalised side of
Afrikaans. After I shared a radio interview with you, I was mandated to
contact the panelists, which I did, but without them taking up the offer
of
a workshop. More recently UWC has published the first dictionary of
Afrikaaps, so perhaps someone there might be interested in dialogue.
Regards,
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:15 AM Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Shupai,
> >
> > Kindly remind me what resolution did we take on the issue Deon is
> raising.
> > I remember him raising that he applied for the Wikimedian in Residence
> > position and he made a follow up why he was not selected as a
candidate
> but
> > instead he was informed they don't recognize Afrikaans, @Deon correct
> me if
> > I'm wrong here!
> >
> > I think I said I was going to write a letter to chastise them for such
> > kind of harsh response since Rossouw an Afrikaans speaker played a
> pivotal
> > role in this project. And I remember Michael speaking but my internet
> went
> > down I don't remember how we finally said we were gonna move forward
> with
> > this issue? Kindly remind me so that I respond immediately.
> >
> > Best,
> > Bobby Shabangu
> >
> > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 08:00, <deon.steyn(a)ntnis.co.za> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi guys
> >>
> >> The very same people that does not recognise Afrikaans as an
indigenous
> >> language...
> >>
> >> Deon
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Woensdag 22 September 2021 02:25
> >> To: Tochi Precious <tochiprecious2(a)gmail.com>om>; WikimediaZA List
> >> <wikimediaza(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>; Shupai Mchuchu <
> >> shupai(a)wikimedia.org.za>gt;;
> >> Ngonidzashe Chipunza <chipunza59(a)gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration
> >> South
> >> Africa event
> >>
> >> Dear Tochi,
> >>
> >> Thanks for reaching out, we already know about this project from a
> >> presentation made by Papa some couple of months back. Shupai our
> >> administrator will let you know there are more volunteers from the
> Chapter
> >> and community who would like to take part here.
> >>
> >> @Shupai Mchuchu <shupai(a)wikimedia.org.za> kindly note these dates
and
> >> send
> >> me a reminder 2 days before it takes place. Also kindly send this to
> our
> >> community and board to find out if there aren't any volunteers who
> would
> >> want to take part and volunteer with their time in this project. I'll
> >> certainly be there.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Bobby Shabangu
> >>
> >> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:59, Tochi Precious <
> tochiprecious2(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello Bobby, my name is [[User: Tochiprecious]]. I'm one of the
> >> > founding members of @wikimediaigbo and also a Wikipedian in
Residence
> >> > at Moleskine Foundation working
on the WikiAfrica Education
project.
> >> >
> >> > I pioneered the last AfroCuration on 4th and 5th September in
> >> > Mozambique where I worked with the WMF Language Team to get the
> >> > Makhuwa language Wikipedia into the incubator. We had over 70
> >> > participants and have created over 120 articles since then.
> >> >
> >> > My next program is in S.A, with Constitution Hill and Harambee on
> 26th
> >> > and 27th of October and I would like to ask for your assistance as
a
> >> > User Group to help train new
editors to edit your language
Wikipedia,
> >> > and also mentor them to become
part of your user group and also
> >> > knowledge contributors in your language on Wiki.
> >> >
> >> > Also, I would like to find out the languages that the S.A User
Group
> >> > edits Wiki in.
> >> >
> >> > I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks a lot
> >> > Tochi
> >> >
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