This is a message on the Wikimedia India list from a Wikipedian who pulled out facts relevant to India from Wikimedia's public statistics (http://infodisiac.com/blog/2010/09/wikipedia-page-edits-a-global-perspective...) - very usefully compiled by Erik Zachte, who is the czar of all things statistical in our universe - and I thought it may be useful to share. I found it tremendously interesting to understand what works in India and how. The statistics for South Africa are slightly less deep (on account of lower volume) but still, someone might be able to extrapolate and share useful information from it?
Alternately, if one of you is really interested in getting deeper statistics for within South Africa, perhaps you could write to Erik and see if he has anything interesting to share. (Scroll down to the bottom of the main page of www.infodisiac.com for his email address). There is just a whole lot of interesting statistical information on his site and on his blog, in general.
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Hey everyone
Just wanted to inform everyone that there are some new statistics available about global Wikipedia usage for Q3 of this year.
http://infodisiac.com/blog/2010/09/wikipedia-page-edits-a-global-perspective...
I just saw some surprising trends if you look at a language and country-wise breakdown of page views and edits.
1.India is No. 15 globally in terms of Wikipedia page views and edits which is expected for having only 7% internet usage, one of the lowest in the first 50 countries on the list.
2. India is still the fifth largest viewer of the English Wikipedia.
3. 94% of Indian Wikimedians view the English Wikipedia, the second largest language group for India after English is Hindi with 0.6% of total views.
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportVisitsPerCountryTrend...
4. 70% of edits from India are on the English Wikipedia (this marks a gradual fall in edits from 81% in Q4 2009) followed by 6.6% for Telugu (this quarter also marks a large increase in edits in Telugu and Tamil languages, while Hindi and Malayalam both registered a drop)
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportEditsPerCountryTrends...
The most surprising information is in the language-wise breakdown of edits per country:
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportVisitsPerLanguageBrea...
The first Indian language on the list by 0.03% of global share is Hindi, followed by Telugu, Malayalam and Marathi, all at 0.02% of global Usage. the most surprising statistics is that the largest Page views to these languages is not from India but the US sometimes more than several times the number of views from India. Tamil is the only language where this disparity as its lowest.
The number of views from India is highest at 94% to the English Wikipedia but the number of edits has been steadily dropping at a very sharp rate (almost 10% in the last year).
Regards
Salmaan
It's quite interesting to see how few edits are made from South Africa. My theory would be that emigration is to blame.
And this graph helps to prove it. Less than one fifth of the views of the Afrikaans Wikipedia comes from South Africa. (I could not find a statistical breakdown of the number of edits on the Afrikaans Wikipedia.) http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerLanguageB...
And it fits with other evidence. For example medical research done in South Africa has shown a dramatic decline over the last 20 years. Many of those researchers have left for greener pastures and their edits on Wikipedia are now reflected as coming from other countries.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Achal Prabhala aprabhala@gmail.com wrote:
This is a message on the Wikimedia India list from a Wikipedian who pulled out facts relevant to India from Wikimedia's public statistics (http://infodisiac.com/blog/2010/09/wikipedia-page-edits-a-global-perspective...)
- very usefully compiled by Erik Zachte, who is the czar of all things
statistical in our universe - and I thought it may be useful to share. I found it tremendously interesting to understand what works in India and how. The statistics for South Africa are slightly less deep (on account of lower volume) but still, someone might be able to extrapolate and share useful information from it?
Alternately, if one of you is really interested in getting deeper statistics for within South Africa, perhaps you could write to Erik and see if he has anything interesting to share. (Scroll down to the bottom of the main page of www.infodisiac.com for his email address). There is just a whole lot of interesting statistical information on his site and on his blog, in general.
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 03:20:54 +0530 From: theo10011 de10011@gmail.com Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] New Stats- Global perspective about Wikipedia Page edits To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, wikimedia-in-del@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: AANLkTikptWFBKxPhbaumt-ojd0yqx8z+5GwrBzMjRvsd@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hey everyone
Just wanted to inform everyone that there are some new statistics available about global Wikipedia usage for Q3 of this year.
http://infodisiac.com/blog/2010/09/wikipedia-page-edits-a-global-perspective...
I just saw some surprising trends if you look at a language and country-wise breakdown of page views and edits.
1.India is No. 15 globally in terms of Wikipedia page views and edits which is expected for having only 7% internet usage, one of the lowest in the first 50 countries on the list.
India is still the fifth largest viewer of the English Wikipedia.
94% of Indian Wikimedians view the English Wikipedia, the second largest
language group for India after English is Hindi with 0.6% of total views.
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportVisitsPerCountryTrend...
- 70% of edits from India are on the English Wikipedia (this marks a
gradual fall in edits from 81% in Q4 2009) followed by 6.6% for Telugu (this quarter also marks a large increase in edits in Telugu and Tamil languages, while Hindi and Malayalam both registered a drop)
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportEditsPerCountryTrends...
The most surprising information is in the language-wise breakdown of edits per country:
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportVisitsPerLanguageBrea...
The first Indian language on the list by 0.03% of global share is Hindi, followed by Telugu, Malayalam and Marathi, all at 0.02% of global Usage. the most surprising statistics is that the largest Page views to these languages is not from India but the US sometimes more than several times the number of views from India. Tamil is the only language where this disparity as its lowest.
The number of views from India is highest at 94% to the English Wikipedia but the number of edits has been steadily dropping at a very sharp rate (almost 10% in the last year).
Regards
Salmaan
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Hi Nic
That is a pretty through-provoking theory. It would be interesting to see where the other local African languages are viewed and edited from.
Kerryn * * * * KERRYN MCKAY director, The African Commons Project
email me at: kerryn@africancommons.org phone me: +2711 486 0211, cell: +27 82 334 6165, skype me: kerrynmac
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Nic Roets nroets@gmail.com wrote:
It's quite interesting to see how few edits are made from South Africa. My theory would be that emigration is to blame.
And this graph helps to prove it. Less than one fifth of the views of the Afrikaans Wikipedia comes from South Africa. (I could not find a statistical breakdown of the number of edits on the Afrikaans Wikipedia.)
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerLanguageB...
And it fits with other evidence. For example medical research done in South Africa has shown a dramatic decline over the last 20 years. Many of those researchers have left for greener pastures and their edits on Wikipedia are now reflected as coming from other countries.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Achal Prabhala aprabhala@gmail.com wrote:
This is a message on the Wikimedia India list from a Wikipedian who pulled out facts relevant to India from Wikimedia's public statistics (
http://infodisiac.com/blog/2010/09/wikipedia-page-edits-a-global-perspective... )
- very usefully compiled by Erik Zachte, who is the czar of all things
statistical in our universe - and I thought it may be useful to share. I found it tremendously interesting to understand what works in India and how. The statistics for South Africa are slightly less deep (on account of lower volume) but still, someone might be able to extrapolate and share useful information from it?
Alternately, if one of you is really interested in getting deeper statistics for within South Africa, perhaps you could write to Erik and see if he has anything interesting to share. (Scroll down to the bottom of the main page of www.infodisiac.com for his email address). There is just a whole lot of interesting statistical information on his site and on his blog, in general.
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Hey everyone
Just wanted to inform everyone that there are some new statistics
available
about global Wikipedia usage for Q3 of this year.
http://infodisiac.com/blog/2010/09/wikipedia-page-edits-a-global-perspective...
I just saw some surprising trends if you look at a language and
country-wise
breakdown of page views and edits.
1.India is No. 15 globally in terms of Wikipedia page views and edits
which
is expected for having only 7% internet usage, one of the lowest in the first 50 countries on the list.
India is still the fifth largest viewer of the English Wikipedia.
94% of Indian Wikimedians view the English Wikipedia, the second
largest
language group for India after English is Hindi with 0.6% of total views.
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportVisitsPerCountryTrend...
- 70% of edits from India are on the English Wikipedia (this marks a
gradual fall in edits from 81% in Q4 2009) followed by 6.6% for Telugu
(this
quarter also marks a large increase in edits in Telugu and Tamil
languages,
while Hindi and Malayalam both registered a drop)
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportEditsPerCountryTrends...
The most surprising information is in the language-wise breakdown of
edits
per country:
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportVisitsPerLanguageBrea...
The first Indian language on the list by 0.03% of global share is Hindi, followed by Telugu, Malayalam and Marathi, all at 0.02% of global Usage.
the
most surprising statistics is that the largest Page views to these
languages
is not from India but the US sometimes more than several times the number
of
views from India. Tamil is the only language where this disparity as its lowest.
The number of views from India is highest at 94% to the English Wikipedia but the number of edits has been steadily dropping at a very sharp rate (almost 10% in the last year).
Regards
Salmaan
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At one stage, the log file of my website reported that I receive a lot of visitors from the USA...but all the time it were visitors from S.A. that uses the ADSL from Telkom... For some reason it were reported as from USA....can't it be the same reason perhaps?
Op 2010/09/09 12:55 PM, het Kerryn McKay geskryf:
Hi Nic
That is a pretty through-provoking theory. It would be interesting to see where the other local African languages are viewed and edited from.
Kerryn
KERRYN MCKAY director, The African Commons Project
email me at: kerryn@africancommons.org mailto:kerryn@africancommons.org phone me: +2711 486 0211, cell: +27 82 334 6165, skype me: kerrynmac
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Nic Roets <nroets@gmail.com mailto:nroets@gmail.com> wrote:
It's quite interesting to see how few edits are made from South Africa. My theory would be that emigration is to blame. And this graph helps to prove it. Less than one fifth of the views of the Afrikaans Wikipedia comes from South Africa. (I could not find a statistical breakdown of the number of edits on the Afrikaans Wikipedia.) http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerLanguageBreakdown.htm#Afrikaans
This is likely to be a real problem in SA as much as India: see http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2010-September/000895....
So it could be that (a) local internet connections from Telkom somehow bestow a non-SA IP address on your connection, and (b) that some folks accessing the internet from their workplace have IP addresses configured centrally, so it shows up as being from another country, both of which are complicated by the fact that (c) some overseas South Africans are also editing and reading from overseas.
What the statistics *don't* accurately tell us is the overall skew between SA-based users (editors and readers) and overseas users on Wikipedias in English and in any other South African language. A better gauge of local contribution might be the number of editors who self-identify as South African, and identify the languages they edit in. There are existing lists of SA Wikipedians, and it might be a good idea to popularise and populate them - as well as perhaps deepen them in terms of areas of interest? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_South_Africa and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:South_African_Wikipedians). When Kerryn and I last checked, they were quite dated.
What the statistics *do* tell us though is how African language Wikipedias within South Africa are doing (excluding English). Regardless of where the page views and edits are coming from, a summary of numbers is yet useful in terms of understanding the level of interest and the quantity of people involved. Of course, other statistics, such as these captured in a monthly report in India by Shiju Alex ( http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2010-June/000771.html ), if developed in South Africa, for languages used locally excluding English, would provide an excellent analysis of where things are. If anyone here is interested in finding out how Shiju compiles his monthly updates, you can get in touch with him at shijualexonline at gmail, I'm sure he'd be happy to help. You might find it useful to have this additional statistical layer analysed and reported; especially for emerging language Wikipedias, the growth interest, pages, quality of pages, number of editors can be illuminating - and if things are well, also encouraging.
Cheers, Achal
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At one stage, the log file of my website reported that I receive a lot of visitors from the USA...but all the time it were visitors from S.A. that uses the ADSL from Telkom... For some reason it were reported as from USA....can't it be the same reason perhaps?
I'm probably atypical, but I do a number of edits on my phone via Opera Mini, which goes through a portal in Norway. I guess I've been hurting our numbers ;-]
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:49 PM, David Richfield davidrichfield@gmail.com wrote:
I'm probably atypical, but I do a number of edits on my phone via Opera Mini, which goes through a portal in Norway. I guess I've been hurting our numbers ;-]
There is a field in the HTTP headers that proxies can use to indicate the upstream source. Not sure how it was handled.
According to the "Dirty Details" it happens quite frequently that there is a lag between when a block of IP addresses are transferred from an ISP in one country to an ISP in another and when the GeoIP database is updated. http://infodisiac.com/blog/2010/01/wikipedia-page-views-a-global-perspective...
There are many technologies to make the statistics more accurate, but I don't think wikimedia has the personnel to do much more work on it.
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 17:03 +0200, Nic Roets wrote:
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:49 PM, David Richfield davidrichfield@gmail.com wrote:
I'm probably atypical, but I do a number of edits on my phone via Opera Mini, which goes through a portal in Norway. I guess I've been hurting our numbers ;-]
There is a field in the HTTP headers that proxies can use to indicate the upstream source. Not sure how it was handled.
According to the "Dirty Details" it happens quite frequently that there is a lag between when a block of IP addresses are transferred from an ISP in one country to an ISP in another and when the GeoIP database is updated. http://infodisiac.com/blog/2010/01/wikipedia-page-views-a-global-perspective...
There are many technologies to make the statistics more accurate, but I don't think wikimedia has the personnel to do much more work on it.
Most of my bit.ly links for Translate.org.za tools come from Vietnam, go figure. Either there are some really passionate localisers there, that we never hear from or the data is just bogus.
So take GeoIP data with a pinch of salt, unless you can somehow audit a sample of them.
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