Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you were on Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a survey, this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less than 3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you spot any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling. It is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with nothing attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing list dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there at the link here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you were on Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a survey, this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less than 3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you spot any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling. It is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
Great work Douglas!
Warm regards, Gwinyai
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with nothing attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing list dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there at the link here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you were
on
Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a
survey,
this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less
than
3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you
spot
any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling.
It
is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
Looks great, and very interesting reading!! Well done team WMZA
Excuse the brevity, sent from my iPhone.
On 27 Jun 2015, at 09:01, Gwinyai Masukume parturitions@gmail.com wrote:
Great work Douglas!
Warm regards, Gwinyai
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with nothing attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing list dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there at the link here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you were
on
Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a
survey,
this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less
than
3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you
spot
any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling.
It
is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
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Is the conclusion that "the average Wikipedia user in SA speaks English as first language" valid? If I remember correctly, the survey was presented in English. Would the results be different if it was in Zulu or Afrikaans, for example?
Best regards. Frank
2015-06-27 9:43 GMT+02:00 Isla Haddow-Flood islahf@africacentre.net:
Looks great, and very interesting reading!! Well done team WMZA
Excuse the brevity, sent from my iPhone.
On 27 Jun 2015, at 09:01, Gwinyai Masukume parturitions@gmail.com
wrote:
Great work Douglas!
Warm regards, Gwinyai
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Douglas Scott <
douglas.i.scott@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with nothing attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing
list
dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there
at
the link here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you
were
on
Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a
survey,
this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am
planning
to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less
than
3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you
spot
any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling.
It
is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
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Sounds pretty accurate to me.
Regards Mike
On 27 Jun 2015, at 1:00 PM, Frank Naude frank@naude.co.za wrote:
Is the conclusion that "the average Wikipedia user in SA speaks English as first language" valid? If I remember correctly, the survey was presented in English. Would the results be different if it was in Zulu or Afrikaans, for example?
Best regards. Frank
2015-06-27 9:43 GMT+02:00 Isla Haddow-Flood islahf@africacentre.net:
Looks great, and very interesting reading!! Well done team WMZA
Excuse the brevity, sent from my iPhone.
On 27 Jun 2015, at 09:01, Gwinyai Masukume parturitions@gmail.com
wrote:
Great work Douglas!
Warm regards, Gwinyai
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Douglas Scott <
douglas.i.scott@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with nothing attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing
list
dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there
at
the link here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you
were
on
Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a
survey,
this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am
planning
to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less
than
3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you
spot
any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling.
It
is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
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Hi Frank,
That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small difference if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and converse in.
The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia all the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) have go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to have vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. But that is just a theory.
Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not in any way be an excuse not to translate).
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 27 June 2015 at 13:00, Frank Naude frank@naude.co.za wrote:
Is the conclusion that "the average Wikipedia user in SA speaks English as first language" valid? If I remember correctly, the survey was presented in English. Would the results be different if it was in Zulu or Afrikaans, for example?
Best regards. Frank
2015-06-27 9:43 GMT+02:00 Isla Haddow-Flood islahf@africacentre.net:
Looks great, and very interesting reading!! Well done team WMZA
Excuse the brevity, sent from my iPhone.
On 27 Jun 2015, at 09:01, Gwinyai Masukume parturitions@gmail.com
wrote:
Great work Douglas!
Warm regards, Gwinyai
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Douglas Scott <
douglas.i.scott@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with
nothing
attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing
list
dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there
at
the link here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a
survey
over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you
were
on
Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a
survey,
this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of
the
results of the survey and have summarised some of the more
interesting
results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am
planning
to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in
less
than
3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you
spot
any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially
spelling.
It
is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse
its
rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
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Thanks for putting this together Douglas.
An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in languages besides English. Something like:
- Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here) - If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which? - If no (the question above), why not?
And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what percentage of non-first language speakers, etc.
ian
On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote:
Hi Frank,
That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small difference if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and converse in.
The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia all the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) have go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to have vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. But that is just a theory.
Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not in any way be an excuse not to translate).
Cheers,
Douglas.
Thanks Ian, Was not aware Wikipedia is available local African languages. Would love to get involved in those.
On Sunday, June 28, 2015, Ian Gilfillan wikimediaza@greenman.co.za wrote:
Thanks for putting this together Douglas.
An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in languages besides English. Something like:
- Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here)
- If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which?
- If no (the question above), why not?
And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what percentage of non-first language speakers, etc.
ian
On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote:
Hi Frank,
That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small difference if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and converse in.
The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia all the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) have go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to have vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. But that is just a theory.
Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not in any way be an excuse not to translate).
Cheers,
Douglas.
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Hi
Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772
ian
Thank you for putting this together, Ian.
A.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Ian Gilfillan wikimediaza@greenman.co.za wrote:
Hi
Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772
ian
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Dear Ian
Truly an interesting document!
I think students enrolled for Honours and Masters students (with a research project component in African Languages and Applied Linguistics) are always interested in getting exposure and practice-based learning in the field of Online Copy Writing, Proofreading, Editing, and translations). I think such initiatives can give them scope, practice and learning opportunities; [in]directly leading to the elevation of African languages as 'resource'? If interested, we can also go the PanSALB (Pan South African Language Board) route?
Regards Jacques
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you for putting this together, Ian.
A.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza@greenman.co.za
wrote:
Hi
Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772
ian
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Morning all,
Be interesting to see what search engines are going to make of it. In my opinion its long overdue to get an "African" language resource up and running. I think it might also be worth getting in language organisations like the ATV (Die Afrikaanse Taalvereniging) involved, I'm however not sure if similar organisations exist for languages like Zulu, Xhosa, etc. anyone know?
What might also be worth looking into is approaching universities.. for those that do not know the Northern Cape has a new one: Sol Plaatje University (www.spu.ac.za) they are looking to grow their visibility i know for a fact.
Kind Regards
c
-----Original Message----- From: Jacques Avril du Toit Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:13 PM To: Asaf Bartov Cc: wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] June 2015 African language Wikipedia update
Dear Ian
Truly an interesting document!
I think students enrolled for Honours and Masters students (with a research project component in African Languages and Applied Linguistics) are always interested in getting exposure and practice-based learning in the field of Online Copy Writing, Proofreading, Editing, and translations). I think such initiatives can give them scope, practice and learning opportunities; [in]directly leading to the elevation of African languages as 'resource'? If interested, we can also go the PanSALB (Pan South African Language Board) route?
Regards Jacques
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you for putting this together, Ian.
A.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza@greenman.co.za
wrote:
Hi
Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772
ian
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Dear Ian
Truly an interesting document!
I think students enrolled for Honours and Masters students (with a research project component in African Languages and Applied Linguistics) are always interested in getting exposure and practice-based learning in the field of Online Copy Writing, Proofreading, Editing, and translations). I think such initiatives can give them scope, practice and learning opportunities; [in]directly leading to the elevation of African languages as 'resource'? If interested, we can also go the PanSALB (Pan South African Language Board) route?
Regards Jacques
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you for putting this together, Ian.
A.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza@greenman.co.za
wrote:
Hi
Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772
ian
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Good morning Everyone I would like to publish my biography on wikimediaza, but I don't know how.May you guys please explain it to me. RegardsTshepo Ramodisa
On Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:47 PM, Ian Gilfillan wikimediaza@greenman.co.za wrote:
Hi
Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772
ian
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Hi There
Please remove me from the mailing list. Thank you.
Kind Regards, Nemisha Kraamwinkel
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Good morning Everyone I would like to publish my biography on wikimediaza, but I don't know how.May you guys please explain it to me. RegardsTshepo Ramodisa
On Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:47 PM, Ian Gilfillan wikimediaza@greenman.co.za wrote:
Hi
Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772
ian
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Tshepo we will be happy to welcome you as a board member on Wikimediaza chapter so that you can able to do that. For more information on how to edit on Wikipedia give me a shout at 0720679593 or hit me on bobbyshabangu@gmail.com
Bobby
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Hi There
Please remove me from the mailing list. Thank you.
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Good morning Everyone I would like to publish my biography on wikimediaza, but I don't know how.May you guys please explain it to me. RegardsTshepo Ramodisa
On Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:47 PM, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza@greenman.co.za> wrote:
Hi
Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772
ian
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Hi Ian,
That is a very good suggestion and a couple of very good questions for the next survey. I would also be interested to see the results of that.
Thanks,
Douglas.
On 28 June 2015 at 15:34, Ian Gilfillan wikimediaza@greenman.co.za wrote:
Thanks for putting this together Douglas.
An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in languages besides English. Something like:
- Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here)
- If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which?
- If no (the question above), why not?
And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what percentage of non-first language speakers, etc.
ian
On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote:
Hi Frank,
That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small difference if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and converse in.
The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia all the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) have go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to have vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. But that is just a theory.
Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not in any way be an excuse not to translate).
Cheers,
Douglas.
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ian,
That is a very good suggestion and a couple of very good questions for the next survey. I would also be interested to see the results of that.
Thanks,
Douglas.
On 28 June 2015 at 15:34, Ian Gilfillan wikimediaza@greenman.co.za wrote:
Thanks for putting this together Douglas.
An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in languages besides English. Something like:
- Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here)
- If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which?
- If no (the question above), why not?
And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what percentage of non-first language speakers, etc.
ian
On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote:
Hi Frank,
That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small difference if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and converse in.
The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia
all
the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on)
have
go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to
have
vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. But that is just a theory.
Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not
in
any way be an excuse not to translate).
Cheers,
Douglas.
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Thanks Douglas
Regards, Mapaseka
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Frank Naude frank@naude.co.za wrote:
Is the conclusion that "the average Wikipedia user in SA speaks English as first language" valid? If I remember correctly, the survey was presented in English. Would the results be different if it was in Zulu or Afrikaans, for example?
Best regards. Frank
2015-06-27 9:43 GMT+02:00 Isla Haddow-Flood islahf@africacentre.net:
Looks great, and very interesting reading!! Well done team WMZA
Excuse the brevity, sent from my iPhone.
On 27 Jun 2015, at 09:01, Gwinyai Masukume parturitions@gmail.com
wrote:
Great work Douglas!
Warm regards, Gwinyai
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Douglas Scott <
douglas.i.scott@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with
nothing
attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing
list
dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there
at
the link here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a
survey
over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you
were
on
Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a
survey,
this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of
the
results of the survey and have summarised some of the more
interesting
results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am
planning
to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in
less
than
3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you
spot
any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially
spelling.
It
is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse
its
rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
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Thank you for doing this, Douglas. Very impressive. I presume that you will update the results with the figures obtained at the end of the month?
I didn't spot any obvious typos, but the image with the numbers on the map isn't all that easy to read. Other than that, I think that it's great.
Kind regards,
William Stucke 079-501-0850 William@stucke.co.za
-----Original Message----- From: wikimediaza-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaza-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Scott Sent: 27 June 2015 08:46 AM To: wikimediaza Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with nothing attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing list dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there at the link here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you were on Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a survey, this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less than 3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you spot any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling. It is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
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Dear Douglas
Congratulations on a job well-done! I have browsed through your findings and I don’t have much to add. Here are a few suggestions, but these are not compulsory to integrate though:
· Instead of survey, indicate it was an *online *survey. This will indicate that you have taken into account the online research ethics involved in approaching and dealing with your respondents.
· “The majority of editors are based in only two provinces.”
I agree with your response relating to the ‘first language’ issue. I think this question is a problem in many “[research] contexts” of South Africa. I mean: Should participants indicate their ‘home language’ (spoken at home), of their school attended, or the languages used in the workplace (‘language of wider communication’)? To be fair, think if 40% of your population indicated that they speak English as a L1, just integrate it as that.
Otherwise, good job! All the best!
Regards
JdT
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 PM, William Stucke William@stucke.co.za wrote:
Thank you for doing this, Douglas. Very impressive. I presume that you will update the results with the figures obtained at the end of the month?
I didn't spot any obvious typos, but the image with the numbers on the map isn't all that easy to read. Other than that, I think that it's great.
Kind regards,
William Stucke 079-501-0850 William@stucke.co.za
-----Original Message----- From: wikimediaza-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaza-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Scott Sent: 27 June 2015 08:46 AM To: wikimediaza Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with nothing attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing list dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there at the link here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you were on Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a survey, this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less than 3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you spot any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling. It is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on a
smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
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Hello everyone,
Thanks for the feedback. Jacques I have included your suggestions into the latest version which you can find at the link I previously sent out (see link provided again below). William I have increased the size of the map, has that made it any easier to read that section? Also in answer to your question about updates, I have been told that the survey ended around last week so it should not need updating, however if it is still going on then I will update it as soon as I am back from Mexico which should be around the end of July.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
I have also just added the age of our 'average' (admittedly a term I am using very broadly here) South African Wikipedian.
Cheers and thanks for the feedback,
Douglas.
On 27 June 2015 at 22:38, Jacques Avril du Toit dtoitj@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Douglas
Congratulations on a job well-done! I have browsed through your findings and I don’t have much to add. Here are a few suggestions, but these are not compulsory to integrate though:
· Instead of survey, indicate it was an *online *survey. This will indicate that you have taken into account the online research ethics involved in approaching and dealing with your respondents.
· “The majority of editors are based in only two provinces.”
I agree with your response relating to the ‘first language’ issue. I think this question is a problem in many “[research] contexts” of South Africa. I mean: Should participants indicate their ‘home language’ (spoken at home), of their school attended, or the languages used in the workplace (‘language of wider communication’)? To be fair, think if 40% of your population indicated that they speak English as a L1, just integrate it as that.
Otherwise, good job! All the best!
Regards
JdT
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 PM, William Stucke William@stucke.co.za wrote:
Thank you for doing this, Douglas. Very impressive. I presume that you will update the results with the figures obtained at the end of the month?
I didn't spot any obvious typos, but the image with the numbers on the map isn't all that easy to read. Other than that, I think that it's great.
Kind regards,
William Stucke 079-501-0850 William@stucke.co.za
-----Original Message----- From: wikimediaza-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaza-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Scott Sent: 27 June 2015 08:46 AM To: wikimediaza Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with nothing attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing list dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there at the link here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you were on Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a survey, this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less than 3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you spot any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling. It is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on
a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
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Good questions and comments from the other participants.
All I would like to add is that I found the infographic clear and readable, with good style.
I would have preferred the "human" character to have curves instead of sharp corners, and by the minor nature of that quibble you can gauge my level of satisfaction! On 28 Jun 2015 01:16, "Douglas Scott" douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
Thanks for the feedback. Jacques I have included your suggestions into the latest version which you can find at the link I previously sent out (see link provided again below). William I have increased the size of the map, has that made it any easier to read that section? Also in answer to your question about updates, I have been told that the survey ended around last week so it should not need updating, however if it is still going on then I will update it as soon as I am back from Mexico which should be around the end of July.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
I have also just added the age of our 'average' (admittedly a term I am using very broadly here) South African Wikipedian.
Cheers and thanks for the feedback,
Douglas.
On 27 June 2015 at 22:38, Jacques Avril du Toit dtoitj@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Douglas
Congratulations on a job well-done! I have browsed through your findings and I don’t have much to add. Here are a few suggestions, but these are
not
compulsory to integrate though:
· Instead of survey, indicate it was an *online *survey. This will indicate that you have taken into account the online research ethics involved in approaching and dealing with your respondents.
· “The majority of editors are based in only two provinces.”
I agree with your response relating to the ‘first language’ issue. I
think
this question is a problem in many “[research] contexts” of South Africa. I mean: Should participants indicate their ‘home language’ (spoken at home), of their school attended, or the languages used in the workplace (‘language of wider communication’)? To be fair, think if 40% of your population indicated that they speak English as a L1, just integrate it
as
that.
Otherwise, good job! All the best!
Regards
JdT
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 PM, William Stucke William@stucke.co.za wrote:
Thank you for doing this, Douglas. Very impressive. I presume that you will update the results with the figures obtained at the end of the
month?
I didn't spot any obvious typos, but the image with the numbers on the map isn't all that easy to read. Other than that, I think that it's
great.
Kind regards,
William Stucke 079-501-0850 William@stucke.co.za
-----Original Message----- From: wikimediaza-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaza-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Scott Sent: 27 June 2015 08:46 AM To: wikimediaza Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results
Hi Everyone,
I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with nothing attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing
list
dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there
at
the link here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So if you were on Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to participate in a survey, this is it. I have spent much of the day today going over some of the results of the survey and have summarised some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's Wikimania which will be happening in less than 3 weeks time.
Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if you spot any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially spelling. It is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit on
a smaller flyer.
Cheers,
Douglas
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
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