Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia community for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by Dr Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I feel I was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need to revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom of Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of Panorama and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change the act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts as guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found outside on public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute and publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks, streets, squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and audiovisual processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted that they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing the legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended the act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has made in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your own on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look at the link here http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bill.htm for more information as well as the contact details of the contact person at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
Looping in Dimi, who's been working on this at the EU level. Dimi can no doubt advise on the text of a proposed amendment.
A.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia community for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by Dr Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I feel I was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need to revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom of Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of Panorama and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change the act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts as guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found outside on public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute and publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks, streets, squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and audiovisual processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted that they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing the legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended the act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has made in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your own on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look at the link here < http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact person at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
in interesting discusison. i collected some links: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama [2] http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32001L0029:EN:HT... [3] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramafreiheit#.C3.96sterreich [4] http://www1.unisg.ch/www/edis.nsf/SysLkpByIdentifier/3498/$FILE/dis3498.pdf [5] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/REPORT_ON_THE_FREEDOM_OF... [6] https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/index.html
after reading these i think criteria are not bad, as in [5]. first, they compare types: building, 2-dimensional, 3-dimensional, text. switzerland e.g. uses "works", which includes everyting. second, they compare the space where it is located. public space ("öffentlich zugänglich" in german), also interior. and third, they compare usage: commercial use allowed or not. i did not see anything related to the discussion i heard in switzerland about works presented on a public space for a restricted time, an works visible from public space, discussed also in [4]. the swiss law itself is here, in different languages, english included [6]. (only) disadvantage of swiss law seems to be that interior is not good (enough) specified - there are quite some discussions.
the map attached to [1] suggests one should choose UK, Austria, India or Australia as example. [2] explains the EU directive and states that austria law is close to it. [5] rates UK quite bad, as well austria is less good for the same reason: specify the works and therefor not including some of the types of work. not sure if Australia does the same (including liam in the mail thread as australian). spain not so good as interior is not included. netherlands is rated best unless i am not misreading it.
best, rupert
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Looping in Dimi, who's been working on this at the EU level. Dimi can no doubt advise on the text of a proposed amendment.
A.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia community for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by Dr Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I feel I was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need to revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom of Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of Panorama and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change the act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts as guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found outside on public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute and publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks, streets, squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and audiovisual processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted that they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing the legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended the act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has made in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your own on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look at the link here < http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact person at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
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Hello
This is an exciting step forward!!Thanks Rupert for the research. Douglas, it would be great to present case studies of where it does work and why. It would be good to include developing communities - India is a great example – so they can see how it applies to and enhances countries in a developing world context.
Excellent!
Warmest Isla
On 18 August 2015 at 08:18, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
in interesting discusison. i collected some links: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama [2] http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32001L0029:EN:HT... [3] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramafreiheit#.C3.96sterreich [4] http://www1.unisg.ch/www/edis.nsf/SysLkpByIdentifier/3498/$FILE/dis3498.pdf [5] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/REPORT_ON_THE_FREEDOM_OF... [6] https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/index.html
after reading these i think criteria are not bad, as in [5]. first, they compare types: building, 2-dimensional, 3-dimensional, text. switzerland e.g. uses "works", which includes everyting. second, they compare the space where it is located. public space ("öffentlich zugänglich" in german), also interior. and third, they compare usage: commercial use allowed or not. i did not see anything related to the discussion i heard in switzerland about works presented on a public space for a restricted time, an works visible from public space, discussed also in [4]. the swiss law itself is here, in different languages, english included [6]. (only) disadvantage of swiss law seems to be that interior is not good (enough) specified - there are quite some discussions.
the map attached to [1] suggests one should choose UK, Austria, India or Australia as example. [2] explains the EU directive and states that austria law is close to it. [5] rates UK quite bad, as well austria is less good for the same reason: specify the works and therefor not including some of the types of work. not sure if Australia does the same (including liam in the mail thread as australian). spain not so good as interior is not included. netherlands is rated best unless i am not misreading it.
best, rupert
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Looping in Dimi, who's been working on this at the EU level. Dimi can no doubt advise on the text of a proposed amendment.
A.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Douglas Scott <
douglas.i.scott@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia
community
for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by
Dr
Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I
feel I
was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need
to
revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom
of
Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of
Panorama
and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change
the
act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts
as
guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found
outside on
public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute
and
publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks,
streets,
squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and
audiovisual
processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted
that
they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing
the
legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended the act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has
made
in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your
own
on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look
at
the link here <
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact
person
at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
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http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia community for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by Dr Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I feel I was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need to revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom of Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of Panorama and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change the act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts as guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found outside on public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute and publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks, streets, squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and audiovisual processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted that they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing the legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended the act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has made in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your own on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look at the link here < http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact person at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
Good morning there guys and how are you?
Mr Linda Sibisi Project Manager/Webmaster Tel : 011 410 0131 Cell: 078 264 3605 www.kagisotownship.co.za
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:54 AM, ubuntupunk@gmail.com ubuntupunk@gmail.com wrote:
http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia
community
for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by
Dr
Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I
feel I
was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need
to
revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom of Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of Panorama and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change
the
act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts as guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found outside
on
public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute
and
publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks, streets, squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and audiovisual processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted
that
they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing the legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended the act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has made in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your
own
on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look at the link here <
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact person at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
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Hello everyone, I have just received word from the DTI that they are extending the deadline by 15 days from the 27th August to the 16th September 2015.
Thanks for research Rupert! You raise some good points and highlighted some great examples from other countries. I also had a look at the UK version as well, which is indeed good, but I am a bit concerned about how complex it is as it distinguishes between 2D graphic works, 3D works (like sculptures and buildings) and 2D "works of artistic craftsmanship". However you are right about the freedom of panorama for 'public interiors' aspect of it, it would be nice to have that as well.
However we then should try to distinguish between 2D graphic works displayed for a restricted time in places like galleries (interiors) and 2D works or works in general (on exteriors like graffiti) so that the law can project the copyrights of artists displaying their work. The Indian law looks too restrictive to me as basically any 2D work is off limits and makes not distinction between interior and exterior works or length of time.
*Basically anything that is on permanent display in a public space (interior or exterior) and including temporary displays in public exterior spaces should be open for Freedom of Panorama. Whilst 2D graphic works on temporary display in interiors in public spaces should be protected so as to protect the copyright of -for example- artists displaying their work for sale in galleries. *That's my suggestion.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 18 August 2015 at 10:27, Linda Sibisi djmlindos@gmail.com wrote:
Good morning there guys and how are you?
Mr Linda Sibisi Project Manager/Webmaster Tel : 011 410 0131 Cell: 078 264 3605 www.kagisotownship.co.za
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:54 AM, ubuntupunk@gmail.com < ubuntupunk@gmail.com> wrote:
http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott <
douglas.i.scott@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia
community
for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by
Dr
Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I
feel I
was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need
to
revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom
of
Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of
Panorama
and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change
the
act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts
as
guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found
outside
on
public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute
and
publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks,
streets,
squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed
and
communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and
audiovisual
processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted
that
they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing
the
legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended
the
act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has
made
in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your
own
on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look
at
the link here <
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact
person
at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- *David Robert Lewis* *PO BOX 4398* *Cape Town* *8000* *South Africa*
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Hello everyone, apologies for the delay on this. About two days ago it was suggested to me that we setup an etherpad to discuss the issue of what our suggestion should be to amend the South African Copy Right Act of 1978 so as to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel that now is a good time to set this etherpad up so that anyone who is interested in contributing to this issue can do so in a collaborative way whilst avoiding spamming other people on this list (who might not be interested in this) with our chatter.
You can find the etherpad at the link here- https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/SA_Copy_Right_Act_amendment_bill_-sec_15_(3)
Looking forward to your contributions. Please remember that the deadline for us to submit a suggestion on how to amend the bill is the 16th September 2015 but I would like to get our submission in on the 15th.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 18 August 2015 at 09:54, ubuntupunk@gmail.com ubuntupunk@gmail.com wrote:
http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia
community
for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by
Dr
Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I
feel I
was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need
to
revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom of Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of Panorama and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change
the
act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts as guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found outside
on
public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute
and
publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks, streets, squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and audiovisual processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted
that
they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing the legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended the act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has made in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your
own
on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look at the link here <
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact person at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- *David Robert Lewis* *PO BOX 4398* *Cape Town* *8000* *South Africa*
*Mobile 082 425 1454* *Home 021 448 0021* *Fax **0862396815* *Skype david.robert.lewis* _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
Hello everyone,
Today I have submitted our recommendation to the DTI on behalf of Wikimedia ZA calling for Freedom of Panorama. I have attached a copy of that recommendation to this email. It was decided to model our request on the one suggested by the Joint Academic Comments on the South African Copyright Amendment Bill with whom we were able to raise and explain our issue with Section 15 and its impact on Freedom of Panorama.
Basically we are calling for it to "*be permissible to reproduce, distribute and make available to the public works located permanently in public roads and ways or public spaces. In the case of buildings, this authorisation shall only extend to the façades and interior public spaces thereof*."
We have also joined the call for Section 15 to be greatly simplified and modernized as well as a broadening of fair use.
I want to especially thank Dr Tobias Schonwetter (Copyright expert at UCT), Pria Chetty (who is also a Wikimedia ZA board member as well as a IT Copyright lawyer) and Dimitar Parvanov (who is Advocating for Freedom of Panorama in the European Union Parliament).
The actual drafting of the document was done by myself and I take full responsibility for any issues or errors in it.
I want to thank you all for your participation in this. It has been quite a ride. I will keep you all posted on any feedback I get from the DTI moving forward.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 21 August 2015 at 13:30, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone, apologies for the delay on this. About two days ago it was suggested to me that we setup an etherpad to discuss the issue of what our suggestion should be to amend the South African Copy Right Act of 1978 so as to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel that now is a good time to set this etherpad up so that anyone who is interested in contributing to this issue can do so in a collaborative way whilst avoiding spamming other people on this list (who might not be interested in this) with our chatter.
You can find the etherpad at the link here- https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/SA_Copy_Right_Act_amendment_bill_-sec_15_(3)
Looking forward to your contributions. Please remember that the deadline for us to submit a suggestion on how to amend the bill is the 16th September 2015 but I would like to get our submission in on the 15th.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 18 August 2015 at 09:54, ubuntupunk@gmail.com ubuntupunk@gmail.com wrote:
http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott < douglas.i.scott@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia
community
for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by
Dr
Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I
feel I
was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need
to
revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom
of
Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of
Panorama
and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change
the
act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts
as
guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found
outside on
public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute
and
publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks,
streets,
squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and
audiovisual
processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted
that
they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing
the
legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended the act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has
made
in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your
own
on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look
at
the link here <
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact
person
at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- *David Robert Lewis* *PO BOX 4398* *Cape Town* *8000* *South Africa*
*Mobile 082 425 1454* *Home 021 448 0021* *Fax **0862396815* *Skype david.robert.lewis* _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
No attachment. Please resend. Thanks Denise ________________________________________ From: Douglas Scott [douglas.i.scott@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2015 03:15 PM To: Theresa Hume Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: 27 August deadline
Hello everyone,
Today I have submitted our recommendation to the DTI on behalf of Wikimedia ZA calling for Freedom of Panorama. I have attached a copy of that recommendation to this email. It was decided to model our request on the one suggested by the Joint Academic Comments on the South African Copyright Amendment Bill with whom we were able to raise and explain our issue with Section 15 and its impact on Freedom of Panorama.
Basically we are calling for it to "*be permissible to reproduce, distribute and make available to the public works located permanently in public roads and ways or public spaces. In the case of buildings, this authorisation shall only extend to the façades and interior public spaces thereof*."
We have also joined the call for Section 15 to be greatly simplified and modernized as well as a broadening of fair use.
I want to especially thank Dr Tobias Schonwetter (Copyright expert at UCT), Pria Chetty (who is also a Wikimedia ZA board member as well as a IT Copyright lawyer) and Dimitar Parvanov (who is Advocating for Freedom of Panorama in the European Union Parliament).
The actual drafting of the document was done by myself and I take full responsibility for any issues or errors in it.
I want to thank you all for your participation in this. It has been quite a ride. I will keep you all posted on any feedback I get from the DTI moving forward.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 21 August 2015 at 13:30, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone, apologies for the delay on this. About two days ago it was suggested to me that we setup an etherpad to discuss the issue of what our suggestion should be to amend the South African Copy Right Act of 1978 so as to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel that now is a good time to set this etherpad up so that anyone who is interested in contributing to this issue can do so in a collaborative way whilst avoiding spamming other people on this list (who might not be interested in this) with our chatter.
You can find the etherpad at the link here- https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/SA_Copy_Right_Act_amendment_bill_-sec_15_(3)
Looking forward to your contributions. Please remember that the deadline for us to submit a suggestion on how to amend the bill is the 16th September 2015 but I would like to get our submission in on the 15th.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 18 August 2015 at 09:54, ubuntupunk@gmail.com ubuntupunk@gmail.com wrote:
http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott < douglas.i.scott@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia
community
for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by
Dr
Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I
feel I
was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need
to
revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom
of
Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of
Panorama
and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change
the
act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts
as
guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found
outside on
public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute
and
publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks,
streets,
squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and
audiovisual
processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted
that
they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing
the
legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended the act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has
made
in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your
own
on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look
at
the link here <
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact
person
at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- *David Robert Lewis* *PO BOX 4398* *Cape Town* *8000* *South Africa*
*Mobile 082 425 1454* *Home 021 448 0021* *Fax **0862396815* *Skype david.robert.lewis* _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="width:100%;"> <tr> <td align="left" style="text-align:justify;"><font face="arial,sans-serif" size="1" color="#999999"><span style="font-size:11px;">This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. </span></font></td> </tr> </table
Hi Denise, I think that might be because of the content filtering function of this mailing list that could have caused the document, although attached, not to have been send along with the last email. I will turn it off for a few seconds and see if it comes through now as an attachment to this email.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 16 September 2015 at 16:22, Denise Nicholson <Denise.Nicholson@wits.ac.za
wrote:
No attachment. Please resend. Thanks Denise ________________________________________ From: Douglas Scott [douglas.i.scott@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2015 03:15 PM To: Theresa Hume Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: 27 August deadline
Hello everyone,
Today I have submitted our recommendation to the DTI on behalf of Wikimedia ZA calling for Freedom of Panorama. I have attached a copy of that recommendation to this email. It was decided to model our request on the one suggested by the Joint Academic Comments on the South African Copyright Amendment Bill with whom we were able to raise and explain our issue with Section 15 and its impact on Freedom of Panorama.
Basically we are calling for it to "*be permissible to reproduce, distribute and make available to the public works located permanently in public roads and ways or public spaces. In the case of buildings, this authorisation shall only extend to the façades and interior public spaces thereof*."
We have also joined the call for Section 15 to be greatly simplified and modernized as well as a broadening of fair use.
I want to especially thank Dr Tobias Schonwetter (Copyright expert at UCT), Pria Chetty (who is also a Wikimedia ZA board member as well as a IT Copyright lawyer) and Dimitar Parvanov (who is Advocating for Freedom of Panorama in the European Union Parliament).
The actual drafting of the document was done by myself and I take full responsibility for any issues or errors in it.
I want to thank you all for your participation in this. It has been quite a ride. I will keep you all posted on any feedback I get from the DTI moving forward.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 21 August 2015 at 13:30, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone, apologies for the delay on this. About two days ago it was suggested to me that we setup an etherpad to discuss the issue of
what
our suggestion should be to amend the South African Copy Right Act of
1978
so as to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel that now is a good time
to
set this etherpad up so that anyone who is interested in contributing to this issue can do so in a collaborative way whilst avoiding spamming
other
people on this list (who might not be interested in this) with our
chatter.
You can find the etherpad at the link here-
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/SA_Copy_Right_Act_amendment_bill_-sec_15_(3)
Looking forward to your contributions. Please remember that the deadline for us to submit a suggestion on how to amend the bill is the 16th September 2015 but I would like to get our submission in on the 15th.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 18 August 2015 at 09:54, ubuntupunk@gmail.com ubuntupunk@gmail.com wrote:
http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott < douglas.i.scott@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia
community
for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised
by
Dr
Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa)
to
discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I
feel I
was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the
need
to
revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were
very
sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom
of
Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of
Panorama
and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change
the
act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts
as
guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found
outside on
public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to
distribute
and
publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks,
streets,
squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed
and
communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and
audiovisual
processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted
that
they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing
the
legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended
the
act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has
made
in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of
your
own
on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look
at
the link here <
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact
person
at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- *David Robert Lewis* *PO BOX 4398* *Cape Town* *8000* *South Africa*
*Mobile 082 425 1454* *Home 021 448 0021* *Fax **0862396815* *Skype david.robert.lewis* _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="width:100%;"> <tr> <td align="left" style="text-align:justify;"><font face="arial,sans-serif" size="1" color="#999999"><span style="font-size:11px;">This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. </span></font></td> </tr> </table _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
No, unfortunately it hasn't come through. I also included something about freedom of panarama in my comments.
Regards Denise ________________________________________ From: Douglas Scott [douglas.i.scott@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2015 04:34 PM To: Theresa Hume Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: 27 August deadline
Hi Denise, I think that might be because of the content filtering function of this mailing list that could have caused the document, although attached, not to have been send along with the last email. I will turn it off for a few seconds and see if it comes through now as an attachment to this email.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 16 September 2015 at 16:22, Denise Nicholson <Denise.Nicholson@wits.ac.za
wrote:
No attachment. Please resend. Thanks Denise ________________________________________ From: Douglas Scott [douglas.i.scott@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2015 03:15 PM To: Theresa Hume Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: 27 August deadline
Hello everyone,
Today I have submitted our recommendation to the DTI on behalf of Wikimedia ZA calling for Freedom of Panorama. I have attached a copy of that recommendation to this email. It was decided to model our request on the one suggested by the Joint Academic Comments on the South African Copyright Amendment Bill with whom we were able to raise and explain our issue with Section 15 and its impact on Freedom of Panorama.
Basically we are calling for it to "*be permissible to reproduce, distribute and make available to the public works located permanently in public roads and ways or public spaces. In the case of buildings, this authorisation shall only extend to the façades and interior public spaces thereof*."
We have also joined the call for Section 15 to be greatly simplified and modernized as well as a broadening of fair use.
I want to especially thank Dr Tobias Schonwetter (Copyright expert at UCT), Pria Chetty (who is also a Wikimedia ZA board member as well as a IT Copyright lawyer) and Dimitar Parvanov (who is Advocating for Freedom of Panorama in the European Union Parliament).
The actual drafting of the document was done by myself and I take full responsibility for any issues or errors in it.
I want to thank you all for your participation in this. It has been quite a ride. I will keep you all posted on any feedback I get from the DTI moving forward.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 21 August 2015 at 13:30, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone, apologies for the delay on this. About two days ago it was suggested to me that we setup an etherpad to discuss the issue of
what
our suggestion should be to amend the South African Copy Right Act of
1978
so as to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel that now is a good time
to
set this etherpad up so that anyone who is interested in contributing to this issue can do so in a collaborative way whilst avoiding spamming
other
people on this list (who might not be interested in this) with our
chatter.
You can find the etherpad at the link here-
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/SA_Copy_Right_Act_amendment_bill_-sec_15_(3)
Looking forward to your contributions. Please remember that the deadline for us to submit a suggestion on how to amend the bill is the 16th September 2015 but I would like to get our submission in on the 15th.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 18 August 2015 at 09:54, ubuntupunk@gmail.com ubuntupunk@gmail.com wrote:
http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott < douglas.i.scott@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia
community
for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised
by
Dr
Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa)
to
discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I
feel I
was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the
need
to
revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were
very
sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom
of
Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of
Panorama
and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change
the
act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts
as
guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found
outside on
public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to
distribute
and
publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks,
streets,
squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed
and
communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and
audiovisual
processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted
that
they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing
the
legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended
the
act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has
made
in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of
your
own
on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look
at
the link here <
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact
person
at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- *David Robert Lewis* *PO BOX 4398* *Cape Town* *8000* *South Africa*
*Mobile 082 425 1454* *Home 021 448 0021* *Fax **0862396815* *Skype david.robert.lewis* _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="width:100%;"> <tr> <td align="left" style="text-align:justify;"><font face="arial,sans-serif" size="1" color="#999999"><span style="font-size:11px;">This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. </span></font></td> </tr> </table _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
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you have it somewhere on wiki?
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Denise Nicholson < Denise.Nicholson@wits.ac.za> wrote:
No, unfortunately it hasn't come through. I also included something about freedom of panarama in my comments.
Regards Denise ________________________________________ From: Douglas Scott [douglas.i.scott@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2015 04:34 PM To: Theresa Hume Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: 27 August deadline
Hi Denise, I think that might be because of the content filtering function of this mailing list that could have caused the document, although attached, not to have been send along with the last email. I will turn it off for a few seconds and see if it comes through now as an attachment to this email.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 16 September 2015 at 16:22, Denise Nicholson < Denise.Nicholson@wits.ac.za
wrote:
No attachment. Please resend. Thanks Denise ________________________________________ From: Douglas Scott [douglas.i.scott@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2015 03:15 PM To: Theresa Hume Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: 27 August deadline
Hello everyone,
Today I have submitted our recommendation to the DTI on behalf of
Wikimedia
ZA calling for Freedom of Panorama. I have attached a copy of that recommendation to this email. It was decided to model our request on the one suggested by the Joint Academic Comments on the South African
Copyright
Amendment Bill with whom we were able to raise and explain our issue with Section 15 and its impact on Freedom of Panorama.
Basically we are calling for it to "*be permissible to reproduce, distribute and make available to the public works located permanently in public roads and ways or public spaces. In the case of buildings, this authorisation shall only extend to the façades and interior public spaces thereof*."
We have also joined the call for Section 15 to be greatly simplified and modernized as well as a broadening of fair use.
I want to especially thank Dr Tobias Schonwetter (Copyright expert at
UCT),
Pria Chetty (who is also a Wikimedia ZA board member as well as a IT Copyright lawyer) and Dimitar Parvanov (who is Advocating for Freedom of Panorama in the European Union Parliament).
The actual drafting of the document was done by myself and I take full responsibility for any issues or errors in it.
I want to thank you all for your participation in this. It has been
quite
a ride. I will keep you all posted on any feedback I get from the DTI moving forward.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 21 August 2015 at 13:30, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone, apologies for the delay on this. About two days ago it was suggested to me that we setup an etherpad to discuss the issue of
what
our suggestion should be to amend the South African Copy Right Act of
1978
so as to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel that now is a good time
to
set this etherpad up so that anyone who is interested in contributing
to
this issue can do so in a collaborative way whilst avoiding spamming
other
people on this list (who might not be interested in this) with our
chatter.
You can find the etherpad at the link here-
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/SA_Copy_Right_Act_amendment_bill_-sec_15_(3)
Looking forward to your contributions. Please remember that the
deadline
for us to submit a suggestion on how to amend the bill is the 16th September 2015 but I would like to get our submission in on the 15th.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 18 August 2015 at 09:54, ubuntupunk@gmail.com <ubuntupunk@gmail.com
wrote:
http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott < douglas.i.scott@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia
community
for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in
South
Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised
by
Dr
Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa)
to
discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I
feel I
was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the
need
to
revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were
very
sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of
Freedom
of
Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of
Panorama
and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to
change
the
act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama
acts
as
guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found
outside on
public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to
distribute
and
publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks,
streets,
squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed
and
communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and
audiovisual
processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so
interpreted
that
they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably
prejudicing
the
legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended
the
act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has
made
in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of
your
own
on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a
look
at
the link here <
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact
person
at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
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Hi Rupert,
Thanks for the suggestion! I have just uploaded it to commons and can be accessed at this link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Copyright_Submissions_to_a...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 19 September 2015 at 07:42, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
you have it somewhere on wiki?
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Denise Nicholson < Denise.Nicholson@wits.ac.za> wrote:
No, unfortunately it hasn't come through. I also included something about freedom of panarama in my comments.
Regards Denise ________________________________________ From: Douglas Scott [douglas.i.scott@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2015 04:34 PM To: Theresa Hume Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: 27 August deadline
Hi Denise, I think that might be because of the content filtering
function
of this mailing list that could have caused the document, although attached, not to have been send along with the last email. I will turn
it
off for a few seconds and see if it comes through now as an attachment to this email.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 16 September 2015 at 16:22, Denise Nicholson < Denise.Nicholson@wits.ac.za
wrote:
No attachment. Please resend. Thanks Denise ________________________________________ From: Douglas Scott [douglas.i.scott@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2015 03:15 PM To: Theresa Hume Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: 27 August deadline
Hello everyone,
Today I have submitted our recommendation to the DTI on behalf of
Wikimedia
ZA calling for Freedom of Panorama. I have attached a copy of that recommendation to this email. It was decided to model our request on
the
one suggested by the Joint Academic Comments on the South African
Copyright
Amendment Bill with whom we were able to raise and explain our issue
with
Section 15 and its impact on Freedom of Panorama.
Basically we are calling for it to "*be permissible to reproduce, distribute and make available to the public works located permanently
in
public roads and ways or public spaces. In the case of buildings, this authorisation shall only extend to the façades and interior public
spaces
thereof*."
We have also joined the call for Section 15 to be greatly simplified
and
modernized as well as a broadening of fair use.
I want to especially thank Dr Tobias Schonwetter (Copyright expert at
UCT),
Pria Chetty (who is also a Wikimedia ZA board member as well as a IT Copyright lawyer) and Dimitar Parvanov (who is Advocating for Freedom
of
Panorama in the European Union Parliament).
The actual drafting of the document was done by myself and I take full responsibility for any issues or errors in it.
I want to thank you all for your participation in this. It has been
quite
a ride. I will keep you all posted on any feedback I get from the DTI moving forward.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 21 August 2015 at 13:30, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone, apologies for the delay on this. About two days ago
it
was suggested to me that we setup an etherpad to discuss the issue of
what
our suggestion should be to amend the South African Copy Right Act of
1978
so as to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel that now is a good
time
to
set this etherpad up so that anyone who is interested in contributing
to
this issue can do so in a collaborative way whilst avoiding spamming
other
people on this list (who might not be interested in this) with our
chatter.
You can find the etherpad at the link here-
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/SA_Copy_Right_Act_amendment_bill_-sec_15_(3)
Looking forward to your contributions. Please remember that the
deadline
for us to submit a suggestion on how to amend the bill is the 16th September 2015 but I would like to get our submission in on the 15th.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 18 August 2015 at 09:54, ubuntupunk@gmail.com <
ubuntupunk@gmail.com
wrote:
http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott < douglas.i.scott@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15
(3)
<
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
> has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia
community
for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in
South
Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event
organised
by
Dr
Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South
Africa)
to
discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say
that I
feel I
was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the
need
to
revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were
very
sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of
Freedom
of
Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision
of
Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of
Panorama
and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to
change
the
act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama
acts
as
guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to
take
pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found
outside on
public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to
distribute
and
publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks,
streets,
squares or other public places may be freely reproduced,
distributed
and
communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and
audiovisual
processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so
interpreted
that
they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably
prejudicing
the
legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the
normal
exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to
amended
the
act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa)
has
made
in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South
Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of
your
own
on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a
look
at
the link here <
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
> for more information as well as the contact details of the contact
person
at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- *David Robert Lewis* *PO BOX 4398* *Cape Town* *8000* *South Africa*
*Mobile 082 425 1454* *Home 021 448 0021* *Fax **0862396815* *Skype david.robert.lewis* _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
-- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
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i like the letter a lot! many thanks!!
rupert
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rupert,
Thanks for the suggestion! I have just uploaded it to commons and can be accessed at this link:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Copyright_Submissions_to_a...
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 19 September 2015 at 07:42, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
you have it somewhere on wiki?
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Denise Nicholson < Denise.Nicholson@wits.ac.za> wrote:
No, unfortunately it hasn't come through. I also included something about freedom of panarama in my comments.
Regards Denise ________________________________________ From: Douglas Scott [douglas.i.scott@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2015 04:34 PM To: Theresa Hume Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: 27 August deadline
Hi Denise, I think that might be because of the content filtering
function
of this mailing list that could have caused the document, although attached, not to have been send along with the last email. I will turn
it
off for a few seconds and see if it comes through now as an attachment
to
this email.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 16 September 2015 at 16:22, Denise Nicholson < Denise.Nicholson@wits.ac.za
wrote:
No attachment. Please resend. Thanks Denise ________________________________________ From: Douglas Scott [douglas.i.scott@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2015 03:15 PM To: Theresa Hume Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process:
27
August deadline
Hello everyone,
Today I have submitted our recommendation to the DTI on behalf of
Wikimedia
ZA calling for Freedom of Panorama. I have attached a copy of that recommendation to this email. It was decided to model our request on
the
one suggested by the Joint Academic Comments on the South African
Copyright
Amendment Bill with whom we were able to raise and explain our issue
with
Section 15 and its impact on Freedom of Panorama.
Basically we are calling for it to "*be permissible to reproduce, distribute and make available to the public works located permanently
in
public roads and ways or public spaces. In the case of buildings,
this
authorisation shall only extend to the façades and interior public
spaces
thereof*."
We have also joined the call for Section 15 to be greatly simplified
and
modernized as well as a broadening of fair use.
I want to especially thank Dr Tobias Schonwetter (Copyright expert at
UCT),
Pria Chetty (who is also a Wikimedia ZA board member as well as a IT Copyright lawyer) and Dimitar Parvanov (who is Advocating for Freedom
of
Panorama in the European Union Parliament).
The actual drafting of the document was done by myself and I take
full
responsibility for any issues or errors in it.
I want to thank you all for your participation in this. It has been
quite
a ride. I will keep you all posted on any feedback I get from the
DTI
moving forward.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 21 August 2015 at 13:30, Douglas Scott <douglas.i.scott@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello everyone, apologies for the delay on this. About two days
ago
it
was suggested to me that we setup an etherpad to discuss the issue
of
what
our suggestion should be to amend the South African Copy Right Act
of
1978
so as to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel that now is a good
time
to
set this etherpad up so that anyone who is interested in
contributing
to
this issue can do so in a collaborative way whilst avoiding
spamming
other
people on this list (who might not be interested in this) with our
chatter.
You can find the etherpad at the link here-
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/SA_Copy_Right_Act_amendment_bill_-sec_15_(3)
Looking forward to your contributions. Please remember that the
deadline
for us to submit a suggestion on how to amend the bill is the 16th September 2015 but I would like to get our submission in on the
15th.
Cheers,
Douglas.
On 18 August 2015 at 09:54, ubuntupunk@gmail.com <
ubuntupunk@gmail.com
wrote:
http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott < douglas.i.scott@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone, > > As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15
(3)
> < >
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
> > > has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa
Wikipedia
community > for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in
South
> Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama
.
> > Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event
organised
by
Dr > Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South
Africa)
to
> discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say
that I
feel I > was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from
the
> Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for
the
need
to > revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they
were
very
> sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of
Freedom
of > Panorama in South Africa. > > Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested
revision
of
> Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of Panorama > and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to
change
the > act is the 27th of August 2015. > > My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of
Panorama
acts
as > guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to
take
> pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found outside on > public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to
distribute
and > publicly communicate such copies. > > Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks, streets, > squares or other public places may be freely reproduced,
distributed
and
> communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and audiovisual > processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so
interpreted
that > they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably
prejudicing
the > legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the
normal
> exploitation of the works to which they refer." > > I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to
amended
the
> act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa)
has
made > in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South
Africa.
> > I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments
of
your
own > on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have
a
look
at > the link here > < >
http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
> > > for more information as well as the contact details of the
contact
person > at the DTI. > > Thanks and best regards, > > Douglas. > > -- > Douglas Ian Scott > 司道格 > Skype: douglas0scott > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaZA mailing list > WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >
-- *David Robert Lewis* *PO BOX 4398* *Cape Town* *8000* *South Africa*
*Mobile 082 425 1454* *Home 021 448 0021* *Fax **0862396815* *Skype david.robert.lewis* _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
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Draft Amendments to Copyright Act could give some creators a shock, Op-Ed Pg9 Cape Times 18 August 2015 http://www.pressreader.com/topics/417326
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott douglas.i.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 (3) < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa
has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa Wikipedia community for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in South Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama.
Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event organised by Dr Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South Africa) to discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say that I feel I was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from the Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for the need to revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they were very sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of Freedom of Panorama in South Africa.
Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested revision of Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of Panorama and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to change the act is the 27th of August 2015.
My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of Panorama acts as guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to take pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found outside on public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to distribute and publicly communicate such copies.
Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks, streets, squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and audiovisual processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so interpreted that they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably prejudicing the legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the normal exploitation of the works to which they refer."
I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to amended the act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) has made in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South Africa.
I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments of your own on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have a look at the link here < http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bil...
for more information as well as the contact details of the contact person at the DTI.
Thanks and best regards,
Douglas.
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