Dear ZA-Wikimedians, Since some of us are sure to be confronted by this type of thing out in the wider community, I propose that it's better to have discussed it among ourselves first; the reason I'm presenting it via a tweet of mine is to display the stance that I have publicly adopted: https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelgraaf/status/1271786176823939073 Regards,
Oof, that's a very opinionated website complaining vigorously that they're neutral and accurate. Check out their coverage on Wales and Maher: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/11/meet-wikipedias-ayn-rand-loving-founder-a...
They for example say:
Maher moved on to a job at London’s HSBC bank – which would go on to pay a whopping $1.9 billion fine after it was caught red-handed laundering money for drug traffickers and Saudi financiers of international jihadism. Her work at HSBC brought her to the UK, Germany, and Canada.
Really? How is it relevant that the company that she worked for paid money-laundering fines, unless she was involved? I can see why they're not considered a reliable source. Also, he keeps saying that they haven't been forced to retract anything. That just means they don't do retractions, not that everything they print is correct.
Thanks for sharing this!
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 at 15:40, Michael Graaf graaf.michael@gmail.com wrote:
Dear ZA-Wikimedians, Since some of us are sure to be confronted by this type of thing out in the wider community, I propose that it's better to have discussed it among ourselves first; the reason I'm presenting it via a tweet of mine is to display the stance that I have publicly adopted: https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelgraaf/status/1271786176823939073 Regards,
-- Michael Graaf, M.I.T.(UCT)
Researcher, Editor & Community Informatics Practitioner
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People in a teacup trying to brew a storm. The weasel is strong in them. I can see why they are deprecated as a source. Meh. Cheers, Peter
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Oof, that's a very opinionated website complaining vigorously that they're neutral and accurate. Check out their coverage on Wales and Maher: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/11/meet-wikipedias-ayn-rand-loving-founder-a...
They for example say:
Maher moved on to a job at London’s HSBC bank – which would go on to pay a whopping $1.9 billion fine after it was caught red-handed laundering money for drug traffickers and Saudi financiers of international jihadism. Her work at HSBC brought her to the UK, Germany, and Canada.
Really? How is it relevant that the company that she worked for paid money-laundering fines, unless she was involved? I can see why they're not considered a reliable source. Also, he keeps saying that they haven't been forced to retract anything. That just means they don't do retractions, not that everything they print is correct.
Thanks for sharing this!
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 at 15:40, Michael Graaf graaf.michael@gmail.com wrote:
Dear ZA-Wikimedians, Since some of us are sure to be confronted by this type of thing out in the wider community, I propose that it's better to have discussed it among ourselves first; the reason I'm presenting it via a tweet of mine is to display the stance that I have publicly adopted: https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelgraaf/status/1271786176823939073 Regards,
-- Michael Graaf, M.I.T.(UCT)
Researcher, Editor & Community Informatics Practitioner
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Thanks for bringing this to light Mike.
These people call themselves investigative journalists?
Well the investigative journalist in me suspects that they might have secretly tried to create a Wikipedia entry about the website or its founders and were tagged for speedy deletion because it contravened the 5 pillars of Wikipedia then they got angry and started attacking Wales and Maher to draw attention of the mainstream media. That's just my hunch but there are many possibilities because clearly they don't know how Wikipedia works.
Best, Bobby Shabangu
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 at 18:07, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
People in a teacup trying to brew a storm. The weasel is strong in them. I can see why they are deprecated as a source. Meh. Cheers, Peter
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Oof, that's a very opinionated website complaining vigorously that they're neutral and accurate. Check out their coverage on Wales and Maher: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/11/meet-wikipedias-ayn-rand-loving-founder-a...
They for example say:
Maher moved on to a job at London’s HSBC bank – which would go on to pay
a whopping $1.9 billion fine after it was caught red-handed laundering money for drug traffickers and Saudi financiers of international jihadism. Her work at HSBC brought her to the UK, Germany, and Canada.
Really? How is it relevant that the company that she worked for paid money-laundering fines, unless she was involved? I can see why they're not considered a reliable source. Also, he keeps saying that they haven't been forced to retract anything. That just means they don't do retractions, not that everything they print is correct.
Thanks for sharing this!
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 at 15:40, Michael Graaf graaf.michael@gmail.com wrote:
Dear ZA-Wikimedians, Since some of us are sure to be confronted by this type of thing out in
the
wider community, I propose that it's better to have discussed it among ourselves first; the reason I'm presenting it via a tweet of mine is to display the stance that I have publicly adopted: https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelgraaf/status/1271786176823939073 Regards,
-- Michael Graaf, M.I.T.(UCT)
Researcher, Editor & Community Informatics Practitioner
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