WikimediaZA January 2011

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Wikimedia-ZA-Board List
by Lourie Pieterse 08 Jan '11

08 Jan '11

I just want to remind everyone of the additional mailing list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-za-board This list is used for current administrative purposes, such as sorting the documents out which should be submitted to ChapCom. If you want to help us or just stay up to date with the happenings, join this new list. We created this list because then the normal list wouldn’t get flooded with admin emails. Kind regards, Lourie

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Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Tobias responses on Wikimedia ZA documents
by Lourie Pieterse 07 Jan '11

07 Jan '11

Hello everyone I have resolved some of the comments. After I have resolved these issues I have moved them to the archive: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWikimedia_South_Africa%2… I need help in solving the other comments, because most of them should be discussed. One person can’t just decide on them. Attached is a document with the comments from Tobias. I have changed the colour of the comments I have already resolved to gray. I copied the mailinglists just to keep them up to date. I think it would be a good idea to attach a document with notes when we send the documents to ChapCom (as Kerryn suggested). Kind regards, Lourie --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Lourie Pieterse <louriepieterse(a)yahoo.com> wrote: From: Lourie Pieterse <louriepieterse(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Tobias responses on Wikimedia ZA documents To: "Kerryn McKay" <kerryn(a)africancommons.org> Cc: "David Richfield" <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com> Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:04 PM I quickly browsed through the comments. I am happy to see that Tobias answered the questions in good detail! I have putted Tobias’ comments on a completely new page on Meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_South_Africa/Tobias_comments This way everyone could see the comments. We can now implement each of the comments into the documents and then just move that individual comment to the archive. This way things will start to clear up and then no one could say we did things without their knowledge. When we are finished completely with the documents we can create a PDF and send it to ChapCom. I am going to start tonight already to sort the issues out. Let’s see how this idea works. Lourie --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Kerryn McKay <kerryn(a)africancommons.org> wrote: From: Kerryn McKay <kerryn(a)africancommons.org> Subject: Re: Tobias responses on Wikimedia ZA documents To: "Lourie Pieterse" <louriepieterse(a)yahoo.com> Cc: "David Richfield" <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com> Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 8:37 AM Hi Lourie and David As we're trying to *clean* up final docs, I wonder if we shouldn't just comment on Tobias's word doc where he has put his comments and suggestions ... ? Unless you're thinking of putting his comments onto meta and then responding there? I'm not sure how we're going to clean up the documents as its getting pretty confusing with *seeing* what is what. I think we will eventually have to take it off meta because we need to package - perhaps as a pdf - and send off to ChapCom? ... any suggestions ... Cheers K * * * * KERRYN MCKAY director, The African Commons Project email me at: kerryn(a)africancommons.org phone me: +2711 486 0211, cell: +27 82 334 6165, skype me: kerrynmac On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Lourie Pieterse <louriepieterse(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Thanks for the documents Kerryn. I have arrived this afternoon at Stellenbosch, so I will take a look at the documents tomorrow. Is it okay with you guys if we continue such as in the previous case and place our comments and changes on Meta? That way everything would stay in one place where everyone could see it. Kind regards Lourie --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Kerryn McKay <kerryn(a)africancommons.org> wrote: From: Kerryn McKay <kerryn(a)africancommons.org> Subject: Tobias responses on Wikimedia ZA documents To: "David Richfield" <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com>, "Lourie Pieterse" <louriepieterse(a)yahoo.com> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 11:49 AM Hi there Wishing you a very happy new year and all the best for 2011. I have attached Tobias's responses to the queries and comments that were put onto meta with regards the Articles and Memorandum. Please read through this answers; I think that they respond well to the queries. What we could do is put these on as Notes on the bottom of each page, on the hard copy, as they are not really for inclusion but are explanation for people such as Effeitsanders, when reading and approving these at ChapCom. Please let me know if you are happy with them. We will need to compile a package for sending to ChapCom, which in my mind should include the following: Proposed articles of association Memorandum of incorporationLong-term objectives Short term objectivesAppointment of directors ? ( I haven't been keeping updated with this process so not sure where we are?) Lourie and I have spoken briefly this morning and we suggested that perhaps we should have a final Skyp/gchat meeting and invite all the mailing list where we can discuss the putting together of the package, and other things and also when this package will go off to ChapCom. Regards Kerryn * * * * KERRYN MCKAY director, The African Commons Project email me at: kerryn(a)africancommons.org phone me: +2711 486 0211, cell: +27 82 334 6165, skype me: kerrynmac

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Press release
by David Richfield 07 Jan '11

07 Jan '11

Hi all, I just spoke to a PR guy that I got introduced to, who gave me some good pointers on setting up a press release around the 10 year anniversary of Wikipedia. Among all the other good pointers that he gave me, he recommended that we send it out on Tuesday to have the best possible chance to get it into the papers for the 15th. I'll have a draft ready by the end of Saturday at the latest, and then I'll let you all know to check it out. Regards, David -- David Richfield e^(πi)+1=0

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Re: [Wikimedia ZA] 10 year celebrations
by Lourie Pieterse 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

I can be wrong, but I think that the Stellenbosch celebration is only going to be a party or as we would say in Afrikaans; a lekker kuiertjie. The Ten Page mentions that it’s the evening at Aandklas (Old School Rock Café), so I don’t think that would be appropriate for a seminar. What do you guys think? I have copied the mailing list, because that way we might get suggestions from the other subscribers. Lourie --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Kerryn McKay <kerryn(a)africancommons.org> wrote: From: Kerryn McKay <kerryn(a)africancommons.org> Subject: 10 year celebrations To: "David Richfield" <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com>, "Lourie Pieterse" <louriepieterse(a)yahoo.com> Cc: "Nhlanhla Mabaso" <nmabaso(a)gmail.com> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 12:07 PM Hi there David, I saw your message to the lists regarding Stellenbosch activity for the 10-year mark. A few days ago over the holidays I received an email from Achal which said that there was some money available if we wanted to do something small to celebrate the anniversary on 15 January. He suggested perhaps getting some people from ChapCom here to SA to speak at a seminar, and suggested the possiblity of Wits. However, if something is being done in Stellenbosch perhaps we should look at something in the Cape. I have emailed Achal though because we will never be able to organise something for 15 and also most universities only open much later. So I asked him if we did something end January whether ChapCom would still think it worthwhile. I'll get back to you as soon as I've heard from him again. Cheers K * * * * KERRYN MCKAY director, The African Commons Project email me at: kerryn(a)africancommons.org phone me: +2711 486 0211, cell: +27 82 334 6165, skype me: kerrynmac

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Arie R. Scheurwater
by A. Robert Scheurwater 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

To Wikimedia ZA I have removed myself as candidate director of the chapter / organization. I will also no longer be a member of the chapter. I wish you all the best in setting up the organization. God Bless, Arie Robert Scheurwater Founder & Chairman of Scheurwater Industries Mobile: +27 72 537 9748 Email: <mailto:robert@scheurwater.org> robert(a)scheurwater.org Address: Eikenlaan 83 Dordrecht, 3831XH Zuid-Holland, NL Alumni: University of Cambridge (UK), London School of Business and Management (UK) PLEASE INCLUDE ALL PREVIOUS CORRESPONDENCE IN YOUR REPLY PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PRINTING THIS EMAIL _____ The material contained in this email may be confidential, and may also be the subject of copyright and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this document is prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please advise the sender and delete the document. This email communication does not create or vary any contractual relationship between Scheurwater Industries and you. Internet communications are not secure and accordingly Scheurwater Industries does not accept any legal liability for the contents of this message. Please note that neither Scheurwater Industries nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan the email and any attachments. Scheurwater Industries <http://www.scheurwaterInd.com> www.scheurwaterInd.com _____

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Some pointers
by Arie R. Scheurwater 04 Jan '11

04 Jan '11

Hey, I wish all of you an amazing new year. For the ones that do not know who I am my name is Arie Robert Scheurwater, but please call me Rob or Robert. I have some questions for people and about other people's decisions that have been made so far. Below are the points that I will be addressing in this email: 1. Surnames on the website (www.wikimedia.org.za) 2. The responsibilities of a 'Board of Directors' 3. The legal structure of Section 21 companies 4. Wikimedia ZA not Wikimedia SA 5. Difference between Reply To and Reply All buttons 1. Surnames on the website (www.wikimedia.org.za) It would be a good idea if people put their surname on the Wikimedia ZA website next to their name, because it will make it easier to reference people in emails. 2. The responsibilities of a 'Board of Directors' A lot of people in the 'community' currently wanting to become a 'director', but understanding of the term 'director' is misunderstood: - Your first responsibility of a 'director' is too giving legal responsibility of the organization to the government. - Your second responsibility is to make sure everyone is doing their duty. - Your third responsibility is to take up responsibility for other people's mistakes. People think that a director is a person that leads an organization which is not true, because the person that leads the organization are all the members together. 3. The legal structure of Section 21 companies I know the legal structure has already been decided by Mr. Tobias (unknown surname). Section 21 Companies are, and will always be the most difficult and irratating legal structure to use when starting an organization. Section 21 Companies are intended for organization that have a bigger quanity of members and higher cashflow e.g. Red Cross, St Johns Ambulance, Heart Foundation of America, etc. The Section 21 Companies can be registered according to two different acts: Companies Act 61/1973 or Co-operatives Act 91/1981 neither one if favourable for a starting organization. Most organizations that are currently Section 21 Companies, started off as a plain partnership NPO. Section 21 companies were created so that the government could have more insight in the finances of the organization (we have no finances at the moment). A plain NPO Partnership is the best starting legal structure for an organization. Below is a hierarchy structure for the organization that I would have advised at the time. 4. Wikimedia ZA not Wikimedia SA I have noticed that a lot of people are calling the chapter and organization Wikimedia SA which is an issuse that needs to get address, because SA means Saudi Arabia not South Africa according ISO 3166 code standards. I do not think we want people to misinterpret 'us' (the chapter and organization) as Wikimedia Saudi Arabia. P.S. if you do not know the ISO 3166 code standards I am sure the standards will be on Wikipedia or you can always just Google them otherwise. 5. Difference between Reply To and Reply All buttons People say time is money, its true., so please don't use reply to all if its not nesserary to do so, because it wastes people's time. In conclusion there are several things we as a community should seriously take a look at. You can ask anyone that works for me or has partnered with my company I view things with a more coporate risk angle instead of the 'lets try it' attitude. I am not saying my inturpretation is better, but it has saved me a lot of legal problems and time. I also got a new email: me(a)ariescheurwater.com Yours Sincerely and God bless, >From Robert Arie Robert Scheurwater Founder & Chairman of Scheurwater Industries Mobile: +27 72 537 9748 Email: me(a)ariescheurwater.com Address: Eikenlaan 83 Dordrecht, 3831XH Zuid-Holland, NL Alumni: University of Cambridge (UK), London School of Business and Management (UK) PLEASE INCLUDE ALL PREVIOUS CORRESPONDENCE IN YOUR REPLY PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PRINTING THIS EMAIL _____ The material contained in this email may be confidential, and may also be the subject of copyright and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this document is prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please advise the sender and delete the document. This email communication does not create or vary any contractual relationship between Scheurwater Industries and you. Internet communications are not secure and accordingly Scheurwater Industries does not accept any legal liability for the contents of this message. Please note that neither Scheurwater Industries nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan the email and any attachments. Scheurwater Industries _____

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Pointers
by A. Robert Scheurwater 03 Jan '11

03 Jan '11

Hey, I wish all of you an amazing new year. For the ones that do not know who I am my name is Arie Robert Scheurwater, but please call me Rob or Robert. I have some questions for people and about other people's decisions that have been made so far. Below are the points that I will be addressing in this email: 1. Surnames on the website (www.wikimedia.org.za) 2. The responsibilities of a 'Board of Directors' 3. The legal structure of Section 21 companies 4. Wikimedia ZA not Wikimedia SA 5. Difference between Reply To and Reply All buttons 1. Surnames on the website (www.wikimedia.org.za) It would be a good idea if people put their surname on the Wikimedia ZA website next to their name, because it will make it easier to reference people in emails. 2. The responsibilities of a 'Board of Directors' A lot of people in the 'community' currently wanting to become a 'director', but understanding of the term 'director' is misunderstood: - Your first responsibility of a 'director' is too giving legal responsibility of the organization to the government. - Your second responsibility is to make sure everyone is doing their duty. - Your third responsibility is to take up responsibility for other people's mistakes. People think that a director is a person that leads an organization which is not true, because the person that leads the organization is all the members together as 'one'. 3. The legal structure of Section 21 companies I know the legal structure has already been decided by Mr. Tobias (unknown surname). Section 21 Companies are, and will always be the most difficult and irritating legal structure to use when starting an organization. Section 21 Companies are intended for organizations that have a bigger quantity of members and higher cash flow e.g. Red Cross, St Johns Ambulance, Heart Foundation of America, etc. The Section 21 Companies can be registered according to two different acts: Companies Act 61/1973 or Co-operatives Act 91/1981 neither one if favourable for a starting organization. Most organizations that are currently Section 21 Companies, started off as a plain partnership NPO. Section 21 companies were created so that the government could have more insight in the finances of the organization (we have no finances at the moment). A plain NPO Partnership is the best starting legal structure for an organization. Below is a hierarchy structure for the organization that I would have advised at the time. Description: cid:image002.png@01CBAB7B.88DE2CA0 4. Wikimedia ZA not Wikimedia SA I have noticed that a lot of people are calling the chapter and organization Wikimedia SA which is an issues that needs to get address, because SA means Saudi Arabia not South Africa according ISO 3166 code standards. I do not think we want people to misinterpret 'us' (the chapter and organization) as Wikimedia Saudi Arabia. P.S. if you do not know the ISO 3166 code standards I am sure the standards will be on Wikipedia or you can always just Google them otherwise. 5. Difference between Reply To and Reply All buttons People say time is money, its true., so please don't use reply to all if it's not necessary to do so, because it wastes people's time. In conclusion there are several things we as a community should seriously take a look at. You can ask anyone that works for me or has partnered with my company I view things with a more coporate risk angle instead of the 'let's try it' attitude. I am not saying my interpretation is better, but it has saved me a lot of legal problems and time. I also got a new email: me(a)ariescheurwater.com Yours Sincerely and God bless, >From Robert Arie Robert Scheurwater Founder & Chairman of Scheurwater Industries Mobile: +27 72 537 9748 Email: me(a)ariescheurwater.com Address: Eikenlaan 83 Dordrecht, 3831XH Zuid-Holland, NL Alumni: University of Cambridge (UK), London School of Business and Management (UK) PLEASE INCLUDE ALL PREVIOUS CORRESPONDENCE IN YOUR REPLY PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PRINTING THIS EMAIL _____ The material contained in this email may be confidential, and may also be the subject of copyright and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this document is prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please advise the sender and delete the document. This email communication does not create or vary any contractual relationship between Scheurwater Industries and you. Internet communications are not secure and accordingly Scheurwater Industries does not accept any legal liability for the contents of this message. Please note that neither Scheurwater Industries nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan the email and any attachments. Scheurwater Industries _____

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Wikipedia 10-year celebration communications kit
by David Richfield 02 Jan '11

02 Jan '11

There are some really good ideas on getting op-eds and letters to the editor into our local newspapers in the Wikimedia 10 communications kit: http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Communications_Kit How about this suggestion: why don't we find out which newspapers will get us the broadest reach, and shoot for an op-ed piece in each one on 15 Jan? -- David Richfield e^(πi)+1=0

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10-year anniversary press release?
by David Richfield 02 Jan '11

02 Jan '11

Hi all, Would it maybe be a good idea for us to send out a "Wikipedia is turning 10" press release. Those of you with knowledge and experience of media matters: what is the procedure? Regards, David -- David Richfield e^(πi)+1=0

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10 year celebration in Stellenbosch
by David Richfield 02 Jan '11

02 Jan '11

Hi all, I clicked on the "thank you" link on Wikipedia today, and found out that people are planning 10-year celebrations. There's going to be one in Stellenbosch on 15 Jan. (http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellenbosch) Regards, David -- David Richfield e^(πi)+1=0

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