So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content that is out of copyright here?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
Can't we use the existing Wikisources (available in different languages including English) for the same?
Or, Gautham, are you proposing something else?
Shiju
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content that is out of copyright here?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
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Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US.
If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India.
- Sreejith K.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content that is out of copyright here?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
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Shiju and Sreejith:
Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India.
Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider?
So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India for the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content.
I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now?
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
Shiju and Sreejith:
Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files
uploaded
to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of
origin
and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India.
Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
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On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India for the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now?
Not for India related content, Shiju. Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only.
As far as I know, "*the content that is that is out of copyright in India now* "can be uploaded to the existing wikisources.
Can you cite some examples for which this is not possible?
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India
for
the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now?
Not for India related content, Shiju. Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
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On 26 August 2011 12:57, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I know, "the content that is that is out of copyright in India now "can be uploaded to the existing wikisources.
Citing Sreejith above.
"Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US."
Also:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Copyright_policy
"The copyright laws applicable to Wikisource are primarily those of the United States of America, where the physical Wikimedia servers are located. The United States is not obliged to extend copyright beyond what it would be in the author's own country, and virtually all countries have copyrights that last for the author's life plus some number of years."
I don't have a specific example, Shiju. Was thinking out aloud.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
Gautam, any idea what happened to that blanket public domain extension plan of Govt of India which was posted some months back?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
On 26 August 2011 12:57, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I know, "the content that is that is out of copyright in India
now
"can be uploaded to the existing wikisources.
Citing Sreejith above.
"Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US."
Also:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Copyright_policy
"The copyright laws applicable to Wikisource are primarily those of the United States of America, where the physical Wikimedia servers are located. The United States is not obliged to extend copyright beyond what it would be in the author's own country, and virtually all countries have copyrights that last for the author's life plus some number of years."
I don't have a specific example, Shiju. Was thinking out aloud.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
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On 26 August 2011 13:11, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com wrote:
Gautam, any idea what happened to that blanket public domain extension plan of Govt of India which was posted some months back?
Pranesh, is ahem, working on it.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource"
it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada.
On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers.
Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres.
Wikilivres is currently paid for by a Wikisource administrator [[user:Yann]].
-- John Vandenberg
On 26 August 2011 13:08, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource" it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada. On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers. Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres.
Thank you, John. Of course, I can see how this can be a never ending set of legal tests - illegal in USA and Canada but legal in India (where you can replace India with any other locale) then host on Indian server.
Wondering if there is a better way! And, if Commons can at least search the meta data from this Canadian archive and possible future other archives.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
Hello,
2011/8/26 Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org:
On 26 August 2011 13:08, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource" it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada. On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers. Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres.
Thank you, John. Of course, I can see how this can be a never ending set of legal tests - illegal in USA and Canada but legal in India (where you can replace India with any other locale) then host on Indian server.
AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the opposite. Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law of shorter term). Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except for photographs.
Wondering if there is a better way! And, if Commons can at least search the meta data from this Canadian archive and possible future other archives.
Best,
Gautam
Regards,
Yann
On 26 August 2011 13:18, Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the opposite. Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law of shorter term). Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except for photographs.
In which case, it's a problem that has mostly been solved with http://www.wikilivres.info/ :)
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
Hello,
2011/8/26 Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org:
On 26 August 2011 13:18, Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the opposite. Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law of shorter term). Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except for photographs.
In which case, it's a problem that has mostly been solved with http://www.wikilivres.info/ :)
Yeah. ;o) Actually I am looking for some people and/or organisation to take over the project, as I have no time and money to continue it myself.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam
Best regards,
Yann
On 26 August 2011 13:34, Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com wrote:
Actually I am looking for some people and/or organisation to take over the project, as I have no time and money to continue it myself.
Yann, I don't know what it entails but perhaps it is something the Chapter might consider?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
2011/8/26 Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org:
On 26 August 2011 13:18, Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the
opposite.
Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law of shorter term). Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except for photographs.
In which case, it's a problem that has mostly been solved with http://www.wikilivres.info/ :)
Yeah. ;o) Actually I am looking for some people and/or organisation to take over the project, as I have no time and money to continue it myself.
ha ha :-)
Can't imagine how you're able to manage it now with everything else that you've been doing.
Hello,
For your information, Wikilivres hosting service provider received a letter from Gallimard, a leading French publisher. See http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/File:Injonction_de_Gallimard.pdf This letter says that major French ISPs have been asked to restrained access to a list of pages. Then the hosting service provider sent me a mail saying that "terms of services have been violated", and that there are "monitoring" the site. In addition, the letter sent to French ISPs is one year old, and the restriction has never been applied by any provider, according to the tests I have made. However these restrictions should have been done "within one month", according to this letter. Actually there is nothing in French law which demands ISP to restrict access to content which are not in the public domain in France.
AFAIK no terms of service was violated, and I've asked the ISP for clarification. Gallimard issued a similar threath to Wikisource last year, after which some texts were deleted by OFFICE action, and later restored after I sent a counter-notice. There was no news from Gallimard after that.
This is to mention that copyright has to be taken seriously in this project.
Best regards,
Yann
2011/8/26 John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com:
Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource"
it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada.
On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers.
Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres.
Wikilivres is currently paid for by a Wikisource administrator [[user:Yann]].
-- John Vandenberg
Hi Yann:
Thanks much for this.
It's nice to know that ISPs are the same the world over and do more than they are asked to do. *sigh*
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
On 8 September 2011 12:54, Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
For your information, Wikilivres hosting service provider received a letter from Gallimard, a leading French publisher. See http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/File:Injonction_de_Gallimard.pdf This letter says that major French ISPs have been asked to restrained access to a list of pages. Then the hosting service provider sent me a mail saying that "terms of services have been violated", and that there are "monitoring" the site. In addition, the letter sent to French ISPs is one year old, and the restriction has never been applied by any provider, according to the tests I have made. However these restrictions should have been done "within one month", according to this letter. Actually there is nothing in French law which demands ISP to restrict access to content which are not in the public domain in France.
AFAIK no terms of service was violated, and I've asked the ISP for clarification. Gallimard issued a similar threath to Wikisource last year, after which some texts were deleted by OFFICE action, and later restored after I sent a counter-notice. There was no news from Gallimard after that.
This is to mention that copyright has to be taken seriously in this project.
Best regards,
Yann
2011/8/26 John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com:
Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource"
it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada.
On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers.
Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres.
Wikilivres is currently paid for by a Wikisource administrator [[user:Yann]].
-- John Vandenberg
Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
Hi Yann:
Thanks much for this.
It's nice to know that ISPs are the same the world over and do more than they are asked to do. *sigh*
More to the point, the kind of action initiated by Gallimard, exceeding the limits of the law and banking on other's ignorance of the law (ie FUD) is seen very often in India, although not so much by corporate action (but that is not unknown either).
In India, we are far more likely to see this sort of thing from government offices, also preying on people's ignorance of the law (including ISPs etc). The situation is made far more complicated by loose terms employed in the laws and rules pertaining to those laws, especially regarding intermediaries.
If put to a vote, I would want Wikipedia (and Wikipedians, of course) to stand fast against all these kinds of pressures in India, by employing the kind of firm responses Yann describes. The price of freedom cannot be freedom itself.
On 8 September 2011 12:54, Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
For your information, Wikilivres hosting service provider received a letter from Gallimard, a leading French publisher. See http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/File:Injonction_de_Gallimard.pdf This letter says that major French ISPs have been asked to restrained access to a list of pages. Then the hosting service provider sent me a mail saying that "terms of services have been violated", and that there are "monitoring" the site. In addition, the letter sent to French ISPs is one year old, and the restriction has never been applied by any provider, according to the tests I have made. However these restrictions should have been done "within one month", according to this letter. Actually there is nothing in French law which demands ISP to restrict access to content which are not in the public domain in France.
AFAIK no terms of service was violated, and I've asked the ISP for clarification. Gallimard issued a similar threath to Wikisource last year, after which some texts were deleted by OFFICE action, and later restored after I sent a counter-notice. There was no news from Gallimard after that.
This is to mention that copyright has to be taken seriously in this
project.
Best regards,
Yann
2011/8/26 John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com:
Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource"
it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada.
On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers.
Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres.
Wikilivres is currently paid for by a Wikisource administrator
[[user:Yann]].
-- John Vandenberg
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On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Vickram Crishna vvcrishna@radiophony.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
Hi Yann:
Thanks much for this.
It's nice to know that ISPs are the same the world over and do more than they are asked to do. *sigh*
More to the point, the kind of action initiated by Gallimard, exceeding the limits of the law and banking on other's ignorance of the law (ie FUD) is seen very often in India, although not so much by corporate action (but that is not unknown either). In India, we are far more likely to see this sort of thing from government offices, also preying on people's ignorance of the law (including ISPs etc). The situation is made far more complicated by loose terms employed in the laws and rules pertaining to those laws, especially regarding intermediaries. If put to a vote, I would want Wikipedia (and Wikipedians, of course) to stand fast against all these kinds of pressures in India, by employing the kind of firm responses Yann describes. The price of freedom cannot be freedom itself.
It is sad to hear your government is doing this.
I find that it is useful to use a term like "copyfraud" to describe incorrect copyright claims by people who should know better. This term has been translated or adopted into quite a few other languages, and is gaining in "power".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud
Hi All:
A quick update on this - it appears to be a little complex for the Chapter for multiple reasons:
1. Importance : How important is this to Indian Wikimedians? Is it a real and serious problem faced? Or is it something that is nice to have but not essential? Could we do better work if we had one? 2. WMF-WMIN : Essentially, we will have to check with the WMF if this is something they are okay with us funding/building (seeing as how the grant money, for now, comes from them and that we use their trademark in our registered name). 3. Partners : Assuming we do find someone to partner, how do we support them and mitigate liability on both side.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only.
As far as I know, "the content that is that is out of copyright in India now "can be uploaded to the existing wikisources.
Can you cite some examples for which this is not possible?
The best example is Gandhi
Many of his works, and translations of them, are not public domain in the United States.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Mohandas_K._Gandhi
http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/Mohandas_K._Gandhi
The best example is Gandhi
Many of his works, and translations of them, are not public domain in the United States.
In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language wikisources, few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English wikisource are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue?
I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only.
As far as I know, "the content that is that is out of copyright in India
now
"can be uploaded to the existing wikisources.
Can you cite some examples for which this is not possible?
The best example is Gandhi
Many of his works, and translations of them, are not public domain in the United States.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Mohandas_K._Gandhi
http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/Mohandas_K._Gandhi
-- John Vandenberg
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On 26 August 2011 14:21, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language wikisources, few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English wikisource are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue? I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India.
By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.
- Gautam
By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.
This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
On 26 August 2011 14:21, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language
wikisources,
few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English
wikisource
are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue? I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India.
By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.
- Gautam
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True. Worth exploring?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam (handheld) On Aug 26, 2011 2:46 PM, "Shiju Alex" shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.
This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John <gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
On 26 August 2011 14:21, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language
wikisources,
few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English
wikisource
are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue? I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India.
By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.
- Gautam
Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
2011/8/26 Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com:
By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.
This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also.
Yes, right. Wikilivres hosts images which cannot be hosted on Commons due to copyright restriction.
Yann
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.comwrote:
By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of
the country.
This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also.
The advantage of separately hosted Wikisource is that the artefacts are self contained and can be used readily. Photographic media will be mainly useful, when they are embedded in an article. May be non WMF projects can use the same. Unfortunately, this leads to fragmentation in the sense there is no one source for the sum of human knowledge.
Cheers Arjun
Good conversation. Very helpful to me to practice copy-right laws.
Go on guys. :)
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2011/8/26 Arjuna Rao Chavala arjunaraoc@gmail.com
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.comwrote:
By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of
the country.
This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also.
The advantage of separately hosted Wikisource is that the artefacts are self contained and can be used readily. Photographic media will be mainly useful, when they are embedded in an article. May be non WMF projects can use the same. Unfortunately, this leads to fragmentation in the sense there is no one source for the sum of human knowledge.
Cheers Arjun
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala arjunaraoc@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.comwrote:
By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of
the country.
This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also.
Unfortunately, this leads to fragmentation in the sense there is no one source for the sum of human knowledge.
Well, that was the point of the TRIPS agreement, was it not? Were information, knowledge, truly 'free', we might be seeing some very interesting alterations in the balance of the way things get done. The purpose of TRIPS was to maintain the status quo.
I think it's a great idea!
Alternatively, we could pool in resources with chapters / communities in regions which have minimal copyright restrictions so that they can legally host the content on their websites which will be accessible around the world. I would suggest jurisdictions which comply with the minimum requirements of the TRIPS Convention. I believe that would be author's life + 25 years for less developed countries and author's life + 50 years for other countries including Hong Kong. Copyright protection for literary works in India extends to life + 60 years.
[As a sidenote: There are countries where copyright legislation is non-existent, e.g., Lao PR. The Wikimedia Foundation may not wish that their trademarks be used to facilitate copyright infringements in other territories, therefore an endeavour in these countries could be supported by an individual or community-run with no links to the Wikimedia Foundation.]
Yours sincerely,
Anirudh Bhati
+855 975 529 803 Skype: anirudhsbh
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India
for
the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now?
Not for India related content, Shiju. Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only.
Thank you.
Best,
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Very good points, Anirudh.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam (handheld) On Aug 26, 2011 1:11 PM, "Anirudh Bhati" anirudhsbh@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's a great idea!
Alternatively, we could pool in resources with chapters / communities in regions which have minimal copyright restrictions so that they can legally host the content on their websites which will be accessible around the world. I would suggest jurisdictions which comply with the minimum requirements of the TRIPS Convention. I believe that would be author's
life
- 25 years for less developed countries and author's life + 50 years for
other countries including Hong Kong. Copyright protection for literary works in India extends to life + 60 years.
[As a sidenote: There are countries where copyright legislation is non-existent, e.g., Lao PR. The Wikimedia Foundation may not wish that their trademarks be used to facilitate copyright infringements in other territories, therefore an endeavour in these countries could be supported
by
an individual or community-run with no links to the Wikimedia Foundation.]
Yours sincerely,
Anirudh Bhati
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John <gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India
for
the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside
US
now?
Not for India related content, Shiju. Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only.
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But do we have servers outside US now?
IIRC, we had mirror servers hosted by Yahoo! in South Korea. Not sure if we still have them.
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From: Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in
this? Something that the Chapter might consider?
So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India for the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content.
I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now?
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
Shiju and Sreejith:
Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India.
Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider?
Thank you.
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
Shiju and Sreejith:
Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India.
Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider?
I believe that either WM Canada or WM India should do this, as these countries have the most useful copyright systems for our objectives.
I think that all Australian works which are public domain in Australia (but not public domain in the United States) are also public domain in India and Canada. We need to check this with lawyers.
Wherever this new 'Wikisource' is located, the chapter needs to be careful to ensure it maintains the high standards of copyright compliance that Wikisource achieves.
On 26 August 2011 12:57, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Wherever this new 'Wikisource' is located, the chapter needs to be careful to ensure it maintains the high standards of copyright compliance that Wikisource achieves.
Indeed!
Thank you, John
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
Shiju and Sreejith:
Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files
uploaded
to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of
origin
and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India.
Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider?
I believe that either WM Canada or WM India should do this, as these countries have the most useful copyright systems for our objectives.
I think that all Australian works which are public domain in Australia (but not public domain in the United States) are also public domain in India and Canada. We need to check this with lawyers.
Wherever this new 'Wikisource' is located, the chapter needs to be careful to ensure it maintains the high standards of copyright compliance that Wikisource achieves.
Agree with John.
And Gautam, it is a good idea -- should be an interesting project to take up.
Hoi, Why not take over Wikilivres from Yann and make it your project. Maybe you can do one better and cooperate with other chapters on this project. There are already main[pages in several languages... Australia and Canada come to mind..
I did blog about it.. http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-usa-copyright-rules-are-too... my personal opinion it would be a wonderful thing when the different Indian languages including English make it their own as well. Thanks, GerardM
On 26 August 2011 08:52, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content that is out of copyright here?
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+1 to Gerard's Idea
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On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, Why not take over Wikilivres from Yann and make it your project. Maybe you can do one better and cooperate with other chapters on this project. There are already main[pages in several languages... Australia and Canada come to mind..
I did blog about it.. http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-usa-copyright-rules-are-too... my personal opinion it would be a wonderful thing when the different Indian languages including English make it their own as well. Thanks, GerardM
On 26 August 2011 08:52, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content that is out of copyright here?
Thank you.
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Indeed!
Will email Yann and see what we can do.
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On 28 August 2011 00:10, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to Gerard's Idea
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Why not take over Wikilivres from Yann and make it your project. Maybe you can do one better and cooperate with other chapters on this project. There are already main[pages in several languages... Australia and Canada come to mind..
I did blog about it.. http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-usa-copyright-rules-are-too... In my personal opinion it would be a wonderful thing when the different Indian languages including English make it their own as well. Thanks, GerardM
On 26 August 2011 08:52, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content that is out of copyright here?
Thank you.
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