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Re: [WikiJA-l] draft of the letter to the Foundation regarding copyright issues.
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KIZU ã§ããè±èªã¯åŸæã§ã¯ãªãã®ã§å€ããŠãããããããŸããã In Message-ID: <20040704043905.9244.qmail(a)dsk1.inter7.jp> wiki_tomos(a)inter7.jp wrote: > Suisuiãããã³ã¡ã³ãæè¬ã§ããä»ã®æ¹ããããããé¡ãããŸãã > 以äžããè¿äºãæ¹èšæ¡ãªã©ã ãšããããšãªã®ã§ãæ¯ãæšãå±±ã®è³ãããšããããšã§ã Suisui> 解éã«ãã£ãŠGFDLã®æ¡æãç¡èŠããå¯èœæ§ãããããšã Suisui> æèšããŠããã ããªãã§ããããã Suisui> ãŸãããã®è§£éãå®æœããã«ãããã Suisui> çŸåšã®GFDLãæ確ã«éåããããšã«ãªãããšãèšåããŠããã ãããš Suisui> ãããããšæããŸãã Tomos> ããã¯ãŸã ãããšæ±ºãŸã£ãããã§ã¯ãªãã®ã§æèšã¯ããªãæ¹ãããããš Tomos> æããŸãããšãããã Tomos> GFDLã«æ確ã«éåãããªããããå°å ¥ããããšã«ä»®ã«æ¥æ¬èªçã§åæã Tomos> 圢æããããšããŠãã * ããã§å®£äŒ * åæ圢æã«ããããã³ã³ã»ã³ãµã¹æ¹åŒãšäžŠã¶ããäžã€ã®æ¹åŒãæ祚æ¹åŒã« ã€ããŠãæ祚ã®åœ¢åŒã«ã€ããŠã®åæãã³ã³ã»ã³ãµã¹æ¹åŒã«ãã圢æãã¹ã è°æ¡ãæåºãããŠããŸãã詳ããã¯[[Wikipedia:åæ圢æ]]ã®ããŒãã ã芧äžããã * 宣äŒããã * Tomos> ããªãåé¡ã§ããããåãå察ã§ãããSuisuiããããããªããªãããã« Tomos> å察ããŠäžããã^^;)ã åé¡ã§ããããšã«åæããŸãã ä»ã®èšèªçãä»ãããžã§ã¯ãïŒãŠã£ãã·ã§ããªãŒïŒãšã®æŽåæ§ãåããããã ã«æããŸãã ãã ã解éãéããããšã§çµæãšã㊠GFDL ãèžã¿è¶ããæžå¿µãæã£ãŠãã ããšã¯ãããããè¡šæããŠããã»ãã fair ã§ããããã«æããŸãã財å£åŽ ïŒãšãã£ãŠãå°å±ã¹ã¿ããããããšããããã§ã¯ãªããšç解ããŠããŸããïŒ ãèãã蚱容ç¯å²ãã©ã®èŸºãã«ããã®ãç¥ã£ãŠããããšããããããã®è°è«ã® å©ãã«ããªãããšæããŸãã®ã§ããã®ãããªå±æ§ãããããšã«è§ŠããŠãã ã»ããããããã«æããŸãã > ãã ãè±èªçã§ã¯ãGFDLãå矩éãã«å®ããªããŠãããã¯GFDLéåã«ã¯ãªããªãã > ãšããæ¹éã§ãã£ãŠããã®ãæ¥æ¬èªçãšã¯å€§ããéããŸããã > ãããŠèšãã°ãã®ç¹ãä»ãå ããã®ãããã§ããããã ãããšãããã¯ãæ¥æ¬èªçã¯æèçã« GFDL éåãè¡ãæåã§ããããšãã ããšãªãã§ãããããæ£çŽä»åã®è°è«ãå šéšã¯ææ¡ã§ããŠããªãã®ã§ããã 解éãšå®éã®éçšã«ããå矩ã©ãã GFDL ã«å¿ å®ã§ãªãããšããããšãš intentional violation ãšããããšã§ã¯å€§ããªå·®ãããããã«æããŸãã Modeha ããã®ææ¡ã®æ žå¿ãããã«ãããšããããšã§ãããããã㯠ä»ãããžã§ã¯ããšã®é¢ä¿ã§å€§ããªåé¡ã«ãªãããã®ã§ã¯ãªãã§ããããã ãããã Encyclopedia libre
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ã®å€ã§ãã£ãŠ ãããšããããšã«ããªããããªããšããã®ã¯ç§ã®ææã§ããããã sphl ããã®ææããããèäœæš©é¢ä¿ã®è°è«ã¯èç©ãå€ãããã« resume ã æŽåãããŠããªããšããã®ã¯ãã®ãšããã ãšæããŸããã§ããã°åæãã è°è«ãè¿œãããŠããæ¹ãããŸãšããäœã£ãŠãã ããã°ãšæããŸãã > Also, please note that Japanese Wikipedia does not take the position that "it is legally > safe not to literally follow the terms of GFDL, if we follow them in spirit." The position > is taken by English Wikipedians, based on American legal practice, but we also consider > Japanese law and try to be more faithful to the letters of GFDL. "more" ãšããã®ã¯ ãç±³åœæ³ã念é ã«çœ®ããŠãã EN WP ã®ãŠãŒã¶ããæ¯èŒã®å¯Ÿè±¡ã«ãããŠãã ã®ã§ããããïŒããã¯ç¢ºèªã§ãïŒ ç¹ã«æ¯èŒã®å¯Ÿè±¡ããããã« "we would like to be pursuant to GFDL as literal as possible." ã§ãããããªãšæããŸããã > This means that we cannot simply say "link back to the original article without > preserving history is in compliance with GFDL in spirit, and therefore it is okay." 話ãé£ã¶ãã§ããé¢é£ããŠã ããã»ã©äœæ¥äžã«æ°ãä»ããã®ã§ããã[[Templete:XXX]]ã®å Žå㯠æ¬æã«èšèªéãªã³ã¯ãããããšããã®ãã³ãã¬ãŒãã䜿ã£ããã¹ãŠã® ææžã«ïŒäžé©åãªïŒèšèªéãªã³ã¯ãçŸããŠããŸããŸãã#wikipedia 㧠çžè«ãããšããã"make a note on talk page"ãšããè¿äºãè¿ã£ãŠããŸããã ïŒtalk page ã¯æ¥æ¬èªçã§ããããŒãããŒãžã«çžåœããŸãïŒ èšäºãåé€ãããŠãããŒãã¯æ®ããŸãã [[/å±¥æŽ]]圢åŒã§ã®å±¥æŽä¿åã«ã¯ã çŽæ¥ã«ãã®å±¥æŽãé¢ä¿ããŠããèšäºãåç §ã§ããªããšããæ¬ ç¹ããããŸãã®ã§ ããã£ãŠããŒãããŒãžã«å±¥æŽæ¬ãèšããã»ããããã®ããªïŒããããµãããŒã ã§ãæ§ããŸãããïŒãšãæããŸãããè足ãããã Tomos> ã¡ãã£ãšé·ããªã£ãŠããŸããŸãããããããæããã£ãæ¹ãããã§ãããããã 埮åŠã«æ°ã«ãªã£ãç¹ã«æãå ããŠã¿ãŸãããTomosãããã®ã»ããè±èªã«ã¯çéããŠããã®ã¯åããŠããŸããã倱瀌ã®æ®µãèš±ããã We ask that partly, since some developers on IRC have repeatedly indicated to a certain Japanese Wikipedian that GFDL is at the core of the Foundation projects ...(the following is same) Suisui>WikiMediaã®äžæ žãšãªãã®ã¯GFDL,MediaWiki,NPOVã®äžã€ããããç©ã§ã Suisui>GFDLã ãã§ã¯ãªãããšãããŠããŸãã Tomos> "GFDL is among the core elements of the Foundation's projects" ããããããã§ãããã Tomos> "GFDL, along with MediaWiki software and NPOV policy, is the core element of Tomos> the Foundation's projects" ãšãïŒ ãããã¯ãwe understand that GFDL is one of core elements of the Project. ãšãããŸããã®èŸºãã¯ã©ã®è¡šçŸã§ãããŸãéããªããããªæ°ã ããŸãããæ°ã®ããã§ãããããè±èªãåŸæãªæ¹ã®ãã©ããŒãããã ããã ãšããã§ããã # ãã€ããšéã£ãŠã#wikipedia ã§èª°ãã«æ·»åããŠããããšãããªããšããã # ã¡ãšãã£ããã§ãã^^; ããã¬ããšããã£ãŠèª€è§£ãåŒã¶ã®ãã¯ã°ãããã # 話ã ãããšæãã®ã§ã è¶ è足: Tomos> ãã®åèªãã€ãééããŸãã^^;) åŒæ ¶ã®åãè? # ãšããã«ã¯åªç·ããããããã :p -- KIZU kizu-n (at) mail (dot) goo (dot) ne (dot) jp * HAEC OLIM MEMINISSE IVVABIT * * åŸç¥šçã®éŸå€ãžã®ãæèŠã¯[[Wikipedia:æ祚ã®æé]]ããŒããŸã§ *
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