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From: Anthere <anthere9(a)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 5, 2005 5:42 PM
Subject: [Foundation-l] Juriwiki-l
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
A new mailing list was opened this week. Its name is
Juriwiki-l(a)mail.wikimedia.org. Its moderator is Soufron.
Primary goals of the list
In the past few months, we observed an increasing need of legal
counselling. Needs may be related to the following issues
* requests from editors or readers with regards to our content from a
legal perspective (in particular copyright violations, defaming
* setting up of new chapters (e.g. bylaws to write and discuss)
* contracts with other organisations (e.g. hosting contracts, CD Rom
* trademark issues (official request of trademarks, contracts allowing
logo uses, recovery of lost domain names...)
* non-profit status, income revenue service...
Who can post to the list ?
Anyone may post to this list (at least, until we begin to have spamming issues)
Who will be member of the list ?
Only a limited number of people will receive the mails.
The recipiendaries will be
* the members of the WMF board (so, for now, Jimbo, Angela, Anthere,
Tim and Michael)
* the presidents of local associations (currently, Ryo for the french
board and Kurt for the german board)
* Legal advisors. For now, three have agreed to join, Soufron,
Aurevilly and Michaël Snow. Others have been contacted but have not
answered yet. Others might be soon contacted.
Why will be that list quite private ?
All of these issues may require input from professionals essentially,
and many of them will require discretion. Hence the choice for a
separate private mailing list.
Naturally, when some issues would be beneficial to be discussed in
public, the discussions will occur on Foundation mailing list, or
meta, or on the irc channel as usual. Similarly, when editors are
directly involved in an issue, they will be put in copy of the mails
exchanged on the juri list. The limited number of automatic
recipiendaries is set up both to garantee discretion on certain
topics, and to foster the creation of a team of legal advisors.
Will the number of members stay limited or can it increase ?
We hope that this number increase over the next months. If you are a
regular editor of one of wikimedia project and are a professional in
the legal field, you are most welcome to join the legal team (see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/legal where we will try to keep
information updated). If you are an editor and know another editor
which could help, please tell us and contact him. We need help in this
field, and the bigger we grow, the more help we will need. Obviously,
help from several countries will be very helpful, in particular in
countries where 1) there is or will be soon a local chapter or 2) we
are setting up collaborations with local firms or organisations.
Will the language be english only ?
Preferably, but when enough people share the same language to fix an
issue essentially related to a specific country, another language than
english should be used if that makes things easier. In this case, very
short summaries could be added in english.
Could someone be removed from the list ?
Yes, in case of serious disruption or obvious legal inability. Except
I, allowed to be both unable and disruptive :-)
How can you, as an editor or a developer, make use of this resource and help ?
Though this list is not kept secret, I'd like to ask you not to
display it proeminently on projects. I think it would be best it is
kept open for sending mails, but as soon as too much spam is received,
we will have to restrict access. Similarly, this list is not meant to
deal with all the daily complaints most projects receive. Most issues
can be and should be dealt by editors (example, a person complaining
of copyvio or the fact a site is not respecting fully our license...
is everyone business and everyone should feel empowered to take care
of it as much as possible). So, please, do not liberally hand out this
address. However, when you think an issue is getting out of hand,
require the board attention or input from a professional, please
What is the secondary goal of this list ?
Though we managed quite well till now, the growing number of legal
threats on the biggest wikipedias suggest that one day or another, a
threat will transform itself in a reality. Even if we are entirely in
our right, we will need help to defend our case. It is best that we
are organised and ready for it when it happens.
Secondly, it was reported more than once, that in front of
"professionals", we needed to appear more business-like. Having good
legal support in deals we are trying to negociate, should be very
We are growing very fast. While we should not fall into bureaucracy,
nor give positions which might reveal impossible to give to another
one later on... or might cause diplomatic issues, I think it is
important we organise team work around some issues. The legal team
seemed one of the most required team right now.
There is a last point. Legal issues are amongst those activities which
are essentially done behind the doors and I think most of you do not
realise they are done at all ;-) Still, people like Aurevilly or
Soufron (and others I do not mention here, Aurevilly and Soufron are
those I know best) give a lot of this invisible time to the project.
Others might have the ability to help... but just do not realise how
they could do it. I hope that the existence of the team and of the
list will help them realise where they could get involved.
Thank you for all those who give invisible work in any cases :-)
<jbsoufron(a)gmail.com> to Wikimedia
More options 12:01 am (8 hours ago)
>> Only a limited number of people will receive the mails.
>> The recipiendaries will be
>> * the members of the WMF board (so, for now, Jimbo, Angela, Anthere,
>> * Tim and Michael) the presidents of local associations (currently,
>> * Ryo for the french board and Kurt for the german board) Legal
>> * advisors. For now, three have agreed to join, Soufron, Aurevilly
>> * and Micha?l Snow. Others have been contacted but have not answered
>> * yet. Others might be soon contacted.
> To be clear about this, we don't want this to be a general discussion
> list but the exact parameters of who should be on it is somewhat
> flexible. We seek participation from lawyers and from people directly
> and officially involved in legal issues with the local associations.
That's exactly it.
Plus, everybody can send emails...