Hi Everyone.
I am greatly pertubed at Charlene's reponse to the grant report. I have seen this posted on the grant report page itself. I have since moved it to the report's sub page with my response as follows:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_ZA/Gauteng_meeting/Report/SMS
My Response:
I was at this meeting on the said date, and I do not see any sinister behavior by either Lourie or myself. We weere at the engineering building through a special pass into their cumputer lab as I was a student there some years ago. We worked on the Wiki Loves Monuments project (The budget) till 17h45 and still waited for you some more minutes. I dont think that you have posted correct times for these messages.
On issues of governance and operations... I am glad that you have aired your opinions of Lourie. But I want to state categorically that I have different opinion of Lourie with regards to the above accusation. He has been open and consistent and has dedicated countless hours including his own money in organising this competition. His dedication and commitment to the "Wiki Loves monuments" competition and WMZA chapter has been truly examplary despite his extreemly demanding student commitments and one of the reasons I chose to get involved in both activities. In the two months of my involvement, I have not received any measurable input from yourself towards Wiki Loves monuments or Wikimedia ZA. If there is anyone's "governance and or operations" abilitities that are in serious doubt, in my humble view... they are yours. --Thuvack (talk) 16:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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- Re: Gauteng meeting report (general list) (Douglas Scott)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:21:46 +0100 (BST) From: Lourie Pieterse louriepieterse@yahoo.com To: WikimediaZA wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org, Charlene Foster afrastocracy@gmail.com Cc: WikimediaZA Board wikimedia-za-board@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Gauteng meeting report (general list) Message-ID: 1343568106.52232.YahooMailNeo@web133002.mail.ir2.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello everyone
I managed to complete the report for the Gauteng meeting:?http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_ZA/Gauteng_meeting/Report.
The actual receipts of the expenses was only send to the board list, as it contains personal information about myself. In the report you can see the details regarding the specific expenses and also the?remaining?balance for this grant. We asked the WMF whether we can?transfer?this amount for use in Wiki Loves Monuments. As soon as my questions are?answered?by Charlene regarding the bank account I will transfer the remaining balance, because currently it seems to me that we?might?have problems accessing the money should it be?transferred?to this account. Feel free to ask me if there are any questions regarding this report.
Kind regards Lourie
Hi all
Here is my response to Dumi's email:
I too want to agree with Dumi's response. In the 6 months that I have been working closely with Lourie, Dumi and others at WMZA I have only come across impeccable manners, passion, commitment and timeous communication from Lourie, despite a very demanding university schedule. I see absolutely no reason to call Lourie's 'governance and or operations' ability into question based on what looks like a technology-inspired misunderstanding.
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I really hope we can move on passed this now and concentrate on getting the work, and this exciting competition done. We need people to get involved and help, not hinder. So please if you are part of this list, and want to get involved please contact Lourie, Dumi, David or I.
Thanks! Isla
: : Isla Haddow-Flood Marketing and Communications Manager Project Manager : WikiAfrica
a. 5th Floor, 28 St George¹s Mall, Cape Town w. www.africacentre.net t. +27 87 150 5446 f. +27 21 418 5385 skype. islahaddow
The Africa Centre is a non-profit social innovator that provides a platform for exploring contemporary Pan-African cultural practice as a catalyst for social change.
From: "thuvack@gmail.com" thuvack@gmail.com Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:04:03 +0200 To: wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 24, Issue 30
Hi Everyone.
I am greatly pertubed at Charlene's reponse to the grant report. I have seen this posted on the grant report page itself. I have since moved it to the report's sub page with my response as follows:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_ZA/Gauteng_meeting/Report/SMS
My Response:
I was at this meeting on the said date, and I do not see any sinister behavior by either Lourie or myself. We weere at the engineering building through a special pass into their cumputer lab as I was a student there some years ago. We worked on the Wiki Loves Monuments project (The budget) till 17h45 and still waited for you some more minutes. I dont think that you have posted correct times for these messages.
On issues of governance and operations... I am glad that you have aired your opinions of Lourie. But I want to state categorically that I have different opinion of Lourie with regards to the above accusation. He has been open and consistent and has dedicated countless hours including his own money in organising this competition. His dedication and commitment to the "Wiki Loves monuments" competition and WMZA chapter has been truly examplary despite his extreemly demanding student commitments and one of the reasons I chose to get involved in both activities. In the two months of my involvement, I have not received any measurable input from yourself towards Wiki Loves monuments or Wikimedia ZA. If there is anyone's "governance and or operations" abilitities that are in serious doubt, in my humble view... they are yours. --Thuvack (talk) 16:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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Today's Topics:
- Gauteng meeting report (general list) (Lourie Pieterse)
- remove me (Ashraf Patel)
- Re: remove me (Lourie Pieterse)
- Re: Gauteng meeting report (general list) (Charlene Foster)
- Re: Gauteng meeting report (general list) (Douglas Scott)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:21:46 +0100 (BST) From: Lourie Pieterse louriepieterse@yahoo.com To: WikimediaZA wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org, Charlene Foster afrastocracy@gmail.com Cc: WikimediaZA Board wikimedia-za-board@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Gauteng meeting report (general list) Message-ID: 1343568106.52232.YahooMailNeo@web133002.mail.ir2.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello everyone
I managed to complete the report for the Gauteng meeting:?http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_ZA/Gauteng_meeting/Report.
The actual receipts of the expenses was only send to the board list, as it contains personal information about myself. In the report you can see the details regarding the specific expenses and also the?remaining?balance for this grant. We asked the WMF whether we can?transfer?this amount for use in Wiki Loves Monuments. As soon as my questions are?answered?by Charlene regarding the bank account I will transfer the remaining balance, because currently it seems to me that we?might?have problems accessing the money should it be?transferred?to this account. Feel free to ask me if there are any questions regarding this report.
Kind regards Lourie
+1 to what the others have said. Without Lourie, we'd be far further back than we are today, and he certainly wouldn't have been playing games. Let's all assume good faith and work towards becoming an effective team.
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Isla Haddow-Flood islahf@africacentre.net wrote:
Hi all
Here is my response to Dumi's email:
I too want to agree with Dumi's response. In the 6 months that I have been working closely with Lourie, Dumi and others at WMZA I have only come across impeccable manners, passion, commitment and timeous communication from Lourie, despite a very demanding university schedule. I see absolutely no reason to call Lourie's 'governance and or operations' ability into question based on what looks like a technology-inspired misunderstanding.
+++
I really hope we can move on passed this now and concentrate on getting the work, and this exciting competition done. We need people to get involved and help, not hinder. So please if you are part of this list, and want to get involved please contact Lourie, Dumi, David or I.
Thanks! Isla
: : Isla Haddow-Flood Marketing and Communications Manager Project Manager : WikiAfrica
a. 5th Floor, 28 St George¹s Mall, Cape Town w. www.africacentre.net t. +27 87 150 5446 f. +27 21 418 5385 skype. islahaddow
The Africa Centre is a non-profit social innovator that provides a platform for exploring contemporary Pan-African cultural practice as a catalyst for social change.
From: "thuvack@gmail.com" thuvack@gmail.com Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:04:03 +0200 To: wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 24, Issue 30
Hi Everyone.
I am greatly pertubed at Charlene's reponse to the grant report. I have seen this posted on the grant report page itself. I have since moved it to the report's sub page with my response as follows:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_ZA/Gauteng_meeting/Report/SMS
My Response:
I was at this meeting on the said date, and I do not see any sinister behavior by either Lourie or myself. We weere at the engineering building through a special pass into their cumputer lab as I was a student there some years ago. We worked on the Wiki Loves Monuments project (The budget) till 17h45 and still waited for you some more minutes. I dont think that you have posted correct times for these messages.
On issues of governance and operations... I am glad that you have aired your opinions of Lourie. But I want to state categorically that I have different opinion of Lourie with regards to the above accusation. He has been open and consistent and has dedicated countless hours including his own money in organising this competition. His dedication and commitment to the "Wiki Loves monuments" competition and WMZA chapter has been truly examplary despite his extreemly demanding student commitments and one of the reasons I chose to get involved in both activities. In the two months of my involvement, I have not received any measurable input from yourself towards Wiki Loves monuments or Wikimedia ZA. If there is anyone's "governance and or operations" abilitities that are in serious doubt, in my humble view... they are yours. --Thuvack (talk) 16:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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Today's Topics:
- Gauteng meeting report (general list) (Lourie Pieterse)
- remove me (Ashraf Patel)
- Re: remove me (Lourie Pieterse)
- Re: Gauteng meeting report (general list) (Charlene Foster)
- Re: Gauteng meeting report (general list) (Douglas Scott)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:21:46 +0100 (BST) From: Lourie Pieterse louriepieterse@yahoo.com To: WikimediaZA wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org, Charlene Foster afrastocracy@gmail.com Cc: WikimediaZA Board wikimedia-za-board@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Gauteng meeting report (general list) Message-ID: 1343568106.52232.YahooMailNeo@web133002.mail.ir2.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello everyone
I managed to complete the report for the Gauteng meeting:?http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_ZA/Gauteng_meeting/Report.
The actual receipts of the expenses was only send to the board list, as it contains personal information about myself. In the report you can see the details regarding the specific expenses and also the?remaining?balance for this grant. We asked the WMF whether we can?transfer?this amount for use in Wiki Loves Monuments. As soon as my questions are?answered?by Charlene regarding the bank account I will transfer the remaining balance, because currently it seems to me that we?might?have problems accessing the money should it be?transferred?to this account. Feel free to ask me if there are any questions regarding this report.
Kind regards Lourie
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