May I just add, please, that we many times requested to work out an MOU with Moleskine, and kept having procrastinations.
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- Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event (Rossouw van Rooyen)
- Invitation to Participate in the Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review
Meeting on Friday! (Sam Oyeyele) 3. Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event (Bobby Shabangu)
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:30:31 +0200 From: Rossouw van Rooyen rossouwvr@gmail.com Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event To: wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Shupai Mchuchu shupai@wikimedia.org.za, Ngonidzashe Chipunza chipunza59@gmail.com Message-ID: < CAJ-FzL-PJpNirrvubMneVykXrrENjZ_wpda1S4hDrnnB1hX14A@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Not that I am under any illusion that my opinion matters, but I strongly recommend everyone to have absolutely nothing to do with this leech-organisation.
*Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim https://www.wildheim.net/Cell: 081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650*
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:21, Michael Graaf graaf.michael@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
what I was saying was that instead of seeing this as an issue of
Afrikaans
being discriminated against, it should be seen as careless communication/ignorance on the part of Moleskine. We would all gladly support them if they announced that their mission was to boost
marginalised
languages (those with small wikis/few contributors). However,they
expressed
it by saying they want to support indigenous languages, with an
assumption
that these two categories overlap.
However Afrikaans is an exception, since it isn't marginalised. They
failed
to take that fact into consideration, and hence they raised false expectations. Then, adding insult to injury, they tried to explain by saying Afrikaans is not indigenous, rather than that it's not
marginalised.
So we need to advise them to be more careful.
On a personal note, let me remind board members that we have previously discussed the issue of "Afrikaaps" being the marginalised side of Afrikaans. After I shared a radio interview with you, I was mandated to contact the panelists, which I did, but without them taking up the offer
of
a workshop. More recently UWC has published the first dictionary of Afrikaaps, so perhaps someone there might be interested in dialogue.
Regards,
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:15 AM Bobby Shabangu bobbyshabangu@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Shupai,
Kindly remind me what resolution did we take on the issue Deon is
raising.
I remember him raising that he applied for the Wikimedian in Residence position and he made a follow up why he was not selected as a candidate
but
instead he was informed they don't recognize Afrikaans, @Deon correct
me
if
I'm wrong here!
I think I said I was going to write a letter to chastise them for such kind of harsh response since Rossouw an Afrikaans speaker played a
pivotal
role in this project. And I remember Michael speaking but my internet
went
down I don't remember how we finally said we were gonna move forward
with
this issue? Kindly remind me so that I respond immediately.
Best, Bobby Shabangu
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 08:00, deon.steyn@ntnis.co.za wrote:
Hi guys
The very same people that does not recognise Afrikaans as an
indigenous
language...
Deon
-----Original Message----- From: Bobby Shabangu bobbyshabangu@gmail.com Sent: Woensdag 22 September 2021 02:25 To: Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com; WikimediaZA List wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org; Shupai Mchuchu < shupai@wikimedia.org.za>; Ngonidzashe Chipunza chipunza59@gmail.com Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event
Dear Tochi,
Thanks for reaching out, we already know about this project from a presentation made by Papa some couple of months back. Shupai our administrator will let you know there are more volunteers from the
Chapter
and community who would like to take part here.
@Shupai Mchuchu shupai@wikimedia.org.za kindly note these dates
and
send me a reminder 2 days before it takes place. Also kindly send this to
our
community and board to find out if there aren't any volunteers who
would
want to take part and volunteer with their time in this project. I'll certainly be there.
Best regards, Bobby Shabangu
On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:59, Tochi Precious <
tochiprecious2@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello Bobby, my name is [[User: Tochiprecious]]. I'm one of the founding members of @wikimediaigbo and also a Wikipedian in
Residence
at Moleskine Foundation working on the WikiAfrica Education project.
I pioneered the last AfroCuration on 4th and 5th September in Mozambique where I worked with the WMF Language Team to get the Makhuwa language Wikipedia into the incubator. We had over 70 participants and have created over 120 articles since then.
My next program is in S.A, with Constitution Hill and Harambee on
26th
and 27th of October and I would like to ask for your assistance as a User Group to help train new editors to edit your language
Wikipedia,
and also mentor them to become part of your user group and also knowledge contributors in your language on Wiki.
Also, I would like to find out the languages that the S.A User Group edits Wiki in.
I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon.
Thanks a lot Tochi
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 09:30:46 +0100 From: Sam Oyeyele soyeyele-ctr@wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Invitation to Participate in the Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review Meeting on Friday! To: "wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org" wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAHqU+KB=m2nXm++D8NrryRRgEiHyfZr3PTW78Ko=Q_L= 7Q3O9g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hello everyone,
The UCoC drafting committee recently released the Enforcement Draft Guidelines (EDG) on meta, which is based on your suggestions on how the Universal Code of Conduct should be enforced.
We are trying to get feedback on this draft, so the The Movement Strategy team is facilitating conversations with communities around the movement. The East African and Southern African EDGR Conversation is scheduled to happen on Friday, 24th September 2021 at 5:00pm UTC.
Your presence in this meeting is very crucial to the future of the Wikimedia movement. Please endeavour to have a look at the draft guidelines before this meeting, and check out the open questions at the bottom, so as to know the kind of feedback that we are looking to have:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Enforcement_draft_...
Here’s the link to the call: https://meet.google.com/ybv-ftiq-cct
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Kindly, Sam. --
Sam Oyeyele
Facilitator, Movement Strategy & Governance
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:14:43 +0200 From: Bobby Shabangu bobbyshabangu@gmail.com Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event To: Rossouw van Rooyen rossouwvr@gmail.com Cc: WikimediaZA List wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org, Shupai Mchuchu shupai@wikimedia.org.za, Ngonidzashe Chipunza < chipunza59@gmail.com> Message-ID: < CAFC6OmdO+HQZ96YZDtEpYsEtb4PKFAh-shdGJ-VB0zQxE31VyA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Dear Michael,
Thanks for your invaluable response. There's certainly a great need to reach out to the coloured community for Wikipedia awareness and edit workshops, there's a dearth of Afrikaaps on Wiki. @Shupai, trust you are noting UWC.
Dear
Rossouw, your comment is noted, I'll reach out to Moleskin to raise these concerns.
Best, Bobby Shabangu
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:30, Rossouw van Rooyen rossouwvr@gmail.com wrote:
Not that I am under any illusion that my opinion matters, but I strongly recommend everyone to have absolutely nothing to do with this leech-organisation.
*Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim https://www.wildheim.net/Cell: 081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650*
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:21, Michael Graaf graaf.michael@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
what I was saying was that instead of seeing this as an issue of
Afrikaans
being discriminated against, it should be seen as careless communication/ignorance on the part of Moleskine. We would all gladly support them if they announced that their mission was to boost marginalised languages (those with small wikis/few contributors). However,they expressed it by saying they want to support indigenous languages, with an
assumption
that these two categories overlap.
However Afrikaans is an exception, since it isn't marginalised. They failed to take that fact into consideration, and hence they raised false expectations. Then, adding insult to injury, they tried to explain by saying Afrikaans is not indigenous, rather than that it's not marginalised. So we need to advise them to be more careful.
On a personal note, let me remind board members that we have previously discussed the issue of "Afrikaaps" being the marginalised side of Afrikaans. After I shared a radio interview with you, I was mandated to contact the panelists, which I did, but without them taking up the offer of a workshop. More recently UWC has published the first dictionary of Afrikaaps, so perhaps someone there might be interested in dialogue.
Regards,
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:15 AM Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Shupai,
Kindly remind me what resolution did we take on the issue Deon is
raising.
I remember him raising that he applied for the Wikimedian in Residence position and he made a follow up why he was not selected as a
candidate
but
instead he was informed they don't recognize Afrikaans, @Deon correct
me if
I'm wrong here!
I think I said I was going to write a letter to chastise them for such kind of harsh response since Rossouw an Afrikaans speaker played a
pivotal
role in this project. And I remember Michael speaking but my internet
went
down I don't remember how we finally said we were gonna move forward
with
this issue? Kindly remind me so that I respond immediately.
Best, Bobby Shabangu
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 08:00, deon.steyn@ntnis.co.za wrote:
Hi guys
The very same people that does not recognise Afrikaans as an
indigenous
language...
Deon
-----Original Message----- From: Bobby Shabangu bobbyshabangu@gmail.com Sent: Woensdag 22 September 2021 02:25 To: Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com; WikimediaZA List wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org; Shupai Mchuchu < shupai@wikimedia.org.za>; Ngonidzashe Chipunza chipunza59@gmail.com Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event
Dear Tochi,
Thanks for reaching out, we already know about this project from a presentation made by Papa some couple of months back. Shupai our administrator will let you know there are more volunteers from the
Chapter
and community who would like to take part here.
@Shupai Mchuchu shupai@wikimedia.org.za kindly note these dates
and
send me a reminder 2 days before it takes place. Also kindly send this to
our
community and board to find out if there aren't any volunteers who
would
want to take part and volunteer with their time in this project. I'll certainly be there.
Best regards, Bobby Shabangu
On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:59, Tochi Precious <
tochiprecious2@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello Bobby, my name is [[User: Tochiprecious]]. I'm one of the founding members of @wikimediaigbo and also a Wikipedian in
Residence
at Moleskine Foundation working on the WikiAfrica Education
project.
I pioneered the last AfroCuration on 4th and 5th September in Mozambique where I worked with the WMF Language Team to get the Makhuwa language Wikipedia into the incubator. We had over 70 participants and have created over 120 articles since then.
My next program is in S.A, with Constitution Hill and Harambee on
26th
and 27th of October and I would like to ask for your assistance as
a
User Group to help train new editors to edit your language
Wikipedia,
and also mentor them to become part of your user group and also knowledge contributors in your language on Wiki.
Also, I would like to find out the languages that the S.A User
Group
edits Wiki in.
I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon.
Thanks a lot Tochi
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