Dear friends,
At the beginning of 2011, a group of us began working on a project to explore alternative methods of citation on Wikipedia. We were motivated by the lack of published resources in much of the non-Anglo-European world, and the very real difficulty of citing everyday aspects of lived reality in India and South Africa.
We are now at a stage where the project is almost complete, and we'd like to share our work with the broader movement, especially within India and South Africa.
There are three languages we worked within: Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi.
The project page documents the process and logistics employed, as well as the findings and results: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Oral_Citations
A film made from the project is available here: http://vimeo.com/26469276
There have been discussions on oral citations for some time now within the language communities we worked with for the duration of the project. At this stage, we are really interested in *your* feedback, either on this list, or on the Discussion section of the project page.
There are still some things to come, namely: - Better (high resolution) versions of the film on Wikimedia Commons with an open subtitle track for translation, in process - Updates on events, meetings and discussions held around the project (updated as they happen) - Updates on articles created in Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi as a result of the project (updated as they happen)
We would be very grateful to hear your feedback, and begin a broader discussion.
Best wishes, Achal
Interesting initiative and great effort done by those who worked on this novel idea.
Lack of published sources is a huge problem for articles related to developing and third world countries. It is a problem, not only in native language Wikipedias, but even in English Wikipedia too. I don't believe Oral citations is a complete solution to these problems, but definitely a interesting way to approach it.
I was talking to a journalist today on another Wikipedia story and he himself was curious to understand how we are overcoming this serious problem of lack of published sources. He was very excited when i mentioned this. Like many others had when we featured this at the last Bangalore Meetup, he was worried on how we would prove that these oral citations are credible and actually from subject matter experts. Like Shiju said, this problem may also be apparent in any online published source.
Anyways I believe the community needs to discuss this to decide whether to take this forward or not.
Do watch the making of the project. An interesting watch guaranteed :)
Regards Tinu Cherian
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Achal Prabhala aprabhala@gmail.com wrote:
Dear friends,
At the beginning of 2011, a group of us began working on a project to explore alternative methods of citation on Wikipedia. We were motivated by the lack of published resources in much of the non-Anglo-European world, and the very real difficulty of citing everyday aspects of lived reality in India and South Africa.
We are now at a stage where the project is almost complete, and we'd like to share our work with the broader movement, especially within India and South Africa.
There are three languages we worked within: Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi.
The project page documents the process and logistics employed, as well as the findings and results: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Oral_Citations
A film made from the project is available here: http://vimeo.com/26469276
There have been discussions on oral citations for some time now within the language communities we worked with for the duration of the project. At this stage, we are really interested in *your* feedback, either on this list, or on the Discussion section of the project page.
There are still some things to come, namely:
- Better (high resolution) versions of the film on Wikimedia Commons
with an open subtitle track for translation, in process
- Updates on events, meetings and discussions held around the project
(updated as they happen)
- Updates on articles created in Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi as a result
of the project (updated as they happen)
We would be very grateful to hear your feedback, and begin a broader discussion.
Best wishes, Achal
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Hi Achal,
Congratulations, this is excellent work! I think Oral Citations are a great idea, and when used in the right context, and to support the right type of claim, they can be extremely useful.
Do the interviews get transcribed, and if so, where are the transcriptions kept?
Kind regards,
David
Hi David, the audio interviews are up on Wikimedia Commons under the Oral Citations Project category: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Oral_Citations_Project
For all interviews in South Africa, we have parallel Sepedi/English translation in the main interview itself; for the Hindi and Malayalam interviews, we're working on a way to provide transcripts in English. (At the moment, the film contains excerpts of all interviews, subtitled in English). I guess we should have transcripts on all the interviews though, so that's something to work on...
Cheers! Achal
On Friday 22 July 2011 07:29 PM, David Richfield wrote:
Hi Achal,
Congratulations, this is excellent work! I think Oral Citations are a great idea, and when used in the right context, and to support the right type of claim, they can be extremely useful.
Do the interviews get transcribed, and if so, where are the transcriptions kept?
Kind regards,
David
The Northern Sotho Wikipedia recently became an official project, and the 10th South African language to have its own Wikipedia. Congratulations to the team who've worked so hard to get it out of the incubator.
Also, the Afrikaans Wikipedia recently created its 20 000th article - activity is really accelerating there.
http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=904
Hi Ian
That's great news to know that it's out of the incubator. I wonder where can it be easily accessed from? I can't seem to find any reference to the NSotho or Sepedi Wikipedia without digging deep into the all languages page ...
And nice blogpost :)
Regards Kerryn
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Ian Gilfillan wikimediaza@greenman.co.zawrote:
The Northern Sotho Wikipedia recently became an official project, and the 10th South African language to have its own Wikipedia. Congratulations to the team who've worked so hard to get it out of the incubator.
Also, the Afrikaans Wikipedia recently created its 20 000th article - activity is really accelerating there.
http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=904
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I believe that the URL for the Northern Sotho Wikipedia is http://nso.wikipedia.org
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Kerryn McKay kerryn@africancommons.orgwrote:
Hi Ian
That's great news to know that it's out of the incubator. I wonder where can it be easily accessed from? I can't seem to find any reference to the NSotho or Sepedi Wikipedia without digging deep into the all languages page ...
And nice blogpost :)
Regards Kerryn
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082 334 6165 skype: kerrynmac twitter: kerrynmckay
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza@greenman.co.za
wrote:
The Northern Sotho Wikipedia recently became an official project, and the 10th South African language to have its own Wikipedia. Congratulations to the team who've worked so hard to get it out of the incubator.
Also, the Afrikaans Wikipedia recently created its 20 000th article - activity is really accelerating there.
http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=904
-- Ian Gilfillan www.greenman.co.za
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thanks!
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Michelle Gallaway mgallaway@gmail.comwrote:
I believe that the URL for the Northern Sotho Wikipedia is http://nso.wikipedia.org
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Kerryn McKay kerryn@africancommons.orgwrote:
Hi Ian
That's great news to know that it's out of the incubator. I wonder where can it be easily accessed from? I can't seem to find any reference to the NSotho or Sepedi Wikipedia without digging deep into the all languages page ...
And nice blogpost :)
Regards Kerryn
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082 334 6165 skype: kerrynmac twitter: kerrynmckay
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Ian Gilfillan < wikimediaza@greenman.co.za> wrote:
The Northern Sotho Wikipedia recently became an official project, and the 10th South African language to have its own Wikipedia. Congratulations to the team who've worked so hard to get it out of the incubator.
Also, the Afrikaans Wikipedia recently created its 20 000th article - activity is really accelerating there.
http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=904
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+1 great news!
On Nov 20, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Kerryn McKay wrote:
Hi Ian
That's great news to know that it's out of the incubator. I wonder where can it be easily accessed from? I can't seem to find any reference to the NSotho or Sepedi Wikipedia without digging deep into the all languages page ...
And nice blogpost :)
Regards Kerryn
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082 334 6165 skype: kerrynmac twitter: kerrynmckay
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Ian Gilfillan wikimediaza@greenman.co.za wrote: The Northern Sotho Wikipedia recently became an official project, and the 10th South African language to have its own Wikipedia. Congratulations to the team who've worked so hard to get it out of the incubator.
Also, the Afrikaans Wikipedia recently created its 20 000th article - activity is really accelerating there.
http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=904
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Congratulations!
On Monday 21 November 2011 06:51 PM, Heather Ford wrote:
+1 great news!
On Nov 20, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Kerryn McKay wrote:
Hi Ian
That's great news to know that it's out of the incubator. I wonder where can it be easily accessed from? I can't seem to find any reference to the NSotho or Sepedi Wikipedia without digging deep into the all languages page ...
And nice blogpost :)
Regards Kerryn
Kerryn McKay The African Commons Project
082 334 6165 skype: kerrynmac twitter: kerrynmckay
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