Well I have placed the chapter request with a lot of discussion with Mayur, a member of the Grand Advisory Committee. We have the support of many hindi wikipedians including two crats, Mayur and Ashish. And we will soon get the support from more 20 wikipedians. Wikimedia India chapter is mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages, New Chapter in New delhi will help make a good community in India. Well Tinu, you are right, you don't need more organisations, but we need. Well, 10-20 people interested are needed for a chapter, lets see, if we gets them, then only we will proceed.
Vibhi,
That the India chapter is concentrated ONLY on South Indian languages is a major misconception. While I agree, the Chapter is headed in Bangalore and the head of the chapter is an admin of the Telugu Wikipedia, do note that it is a pan India matter. Hope this clears it up. --Regards, Srikanth.
On 5 June 2011 22:10, Vibhi Jain vibhijain@yahoo.in wrote:
Well I have placed the chapter request with a lot of discussion with Mayur, a member of the Grand Advisory Committee. We have the support of many hindi wikipedians including two crats, Mayur and Ashish. And we will soon get the support from more 20 wikipedians. Wikimedia India chapter is mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages, New Chapter in New delhi will help make a good community in India. Well Tinu, you are right, you don't need more organisations, but we need. Well, 10-20 people interested are needed for a chapter, lets see, if we gets them, then only we will proceed.
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I think Vibhi, you are thinking of a outsider point of view. There is no we and you here, we all are volunteers and work each others. Do you think Tinu/Shiju or all who took so much of pain to spread and spread awareness for participating for Wikipedia would have done this is this South India-North India conflict was there in their mind.
Grow up buddy.
We, all need to join hands irrespective of the state and language.
Subha
On 5 June 2011 22:10, Vibhi Jain vibhijain@yahoo.in wrote:
Well I have placed the chapter request with a lot of discussion with Mayur, a member of the Grand Advisory Committee. We have the support of many hindi wikipedians including two crats, Mayur and Ashish. And we will soon get the support from more 20 wikipedians. Wikimedia India chapter is mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages, New Chapter in New delhi will help make a good community in India. Well Tinu, you are right, you don't need more organisations, but we need. Well, 10-20 people interested are needed for a chapter, lets see, if we gets them, then only we will proceed.
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Hi Vibhi,
A chapter is not a goal in itself, it is more of a tool to facilitate activities that require a legal body to perform them. Therefore, I would encourage you to collect those 20 people around you and start having meetups, little outreach events and so on. Once you feel, that you need a legal body, or money, your needs would very likely be met by the current legal bodies in the country.
Obviously, it might turn out to make the most sense to establish local branches, but these probably would not be independent from the local Indian chapter already existing.
In sum, I encourage you to be active and cooperate with the existing communities in India to make the most of the multitude of possibilities and the huge potential in community building and outreach. Setting up a new independent Indian chapter at this point is probably not desirable, and would probably not be approved by the WMF.
Best regards, Bence
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Vibhi Jain vibhijain@yahoo.in wrote:
Well I have placed the chapter request with a lot of discussion with Mayur, a member of the Grand Advisory Committee. We have the support of many hindi wikipedians including two crats, Mayur and Ashish. And we will soon get the support from more 20 wikipedians. Wikimedia India chapter is mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages, New Chapter in New delhi will help make a good community in India. Well Tinu, you are right, you don't need more organisations, but we need. Well, 10-20 people interested are needed for a chapter, lets see, if we gets them, then only we will proceed.
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On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Vibhi,
A chapter is not a goal in itself, it is more of a tool to facilitate activities that require a legal body to perform them. Therefore, I would encourage you to collect those 20 people around you and start having meetups, little outreach events and so on. Once you feel, that you need a legal body, or money, your needs would very likely be met by the current legal bodies in the country.
Obviously, it might turn out to make the most sense to establish local branches, but these probably would not be independent from the local Indian chapter already existing.
In sum, I encourage you to be active and cooperate with the existing communities in India to make the most of the multitude of possibilities and the huge potential in community building and outreach. Setting up a new independent Indian chapter at this point is probably not desirable, and would probably not be approved by the WMF.
I second Bence, and would like to quote to you from the chapter creation guidehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Step-by-step_chapter_creation_guide#Step_3:_Run_a_pilot_program_.28Optional_step.29:
Step 3: Run a pilot program (Optional step)
So, you have some interested Wikimedians, and you have some basic idea about the kinds of activities your group would want to have as an officially recognized Wikimedia Chapter.
This is a perfect time to *run a pilot program*, which will give your group a concrete experience with running Wikimedian activities/events, strengthen the group's internal cohesion, increase motivation, and potentially draw in additional activists.
Here's a little secret: *Nearly all activities and programs performed by chapters can be performed by non-chapters*. Aside from fundraising and certain types of government outreach, any group of Wikimedians with the will and dedication to execute a program can do so, and the Wikimedia movement has some resources in place to help you do so:
The Wikimedia Foundation can grant you *ad-hoc permission* to use the Wikimedia trademarks (i.e. Wikipedia logo, Wikimedia logo) in your specific event/activity; the Foundation can provide *funding* for your program if required, via the Wikimedia Grants Programhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index; other Wikimedia chapters can offer funding, advice, and other intangible resources.
So pick a program you'd like to run in your community or territory, making sure the scope is manageable and achievable for your group and your resources (especially human resources, i.e. time and skills!), before proceeding with the legal aspects of chapter creation.
The Chapters Committee and the Wikimedia Board of Trustees are more likely to feel confident about your group's suitability to become the exclusive formal representative of the Wikimedia movement in your territory if your group can show at least one success in organizing Wikimedian work. Example
One example of a non-chapter group running a pilot program is the group of Wikimedians in Kenya http://wikimedia.or.ke/ and their school outreach program http://wikimedia.or.ke/Wikipedia_for_Schools_Project. (end of quote)
So, if you want your initiative for a sub-national Delhi chapter to be considered seriously, you would do well to show your group has the ability to execute Wikimedian work, even if modest in scale. That's the best advice I can give you.
Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation
You are not articulating your position quite well here. There already is a national chapter. Sub-national chapters aren't very common.
Can someone else from your supporters speak up? Mayur, are you reading this? I left a message on your page on hi.wiki about his wikimania bid a couple of weeks ago.
As I recall vibhi, you also applied for the Grant Advisory committee [1] along with several other people, either way, I assure you committee seat is not a criteria for chapter formation.
Salmaan
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_Advisory_Committee/Call_For_Volunteers
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Vibhi Jain vibhijain@yahoo.in wrote:
Well I have placed the chapter request with a lot of discussion with Mayur, a member of the Grand Advisory Committee. We have the support of many hindi wikipedians including two crats, Mayur and Ashish. And we will soon get the support from more 20 wikipedians. Wikimedia India chapter is mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages, New Chapter in New delhi will help make a good community in India. Well Tinu, you are right, you don't need more organisations, but we need. Well, 10-20 people interested are needed for a chapter, lets see, if we gets them, then only we will proceed.
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Hi all, In reply to above posts i want to make one point clear that I agreed to create a new chapter in Delhi with Vibhijain but that is just a proposal and this will be done if we get atleast 20 Participants. Two options are better than one.As of now we Observed that whole Wikimedia and Chapter Activities are Concentrated towards South India.New Delhi is one of the biggest Educational City of India and it should be our Target.But as most of the Volunteers in India Chapter are from South India so its difficult for them to communicate and make awareness regarding Wiki culture in North India Portion.Wikimedia Delhi Chapter will build and unite a Healthy North Indian Wiki Community.But its doesn't mean that we are different and our goals are different, its just about to shorten your way.Whether the new chapter request is approved or not,I assured you all that we will work Unitedly.
With Regards Mayur
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
You are not articulating your position quite well here. There already is a national chapter. Sub-national chapters aren't very common.
Can someone else from your supporters speak up? Mayur, are you reading this? I left a message on your page on hi.wiki about his wikimania bid a couple of weeks ago.
As I recall vibhi, you also applied for the Grant Advisory committee [1] along with several other people, either way, I assure you committee seat is not a criteria for chapter formation.
Salmaan
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_Advisory_Committee/Call_For_Volunteers
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Vibhi Jain vibhijain@yahoo.in wrote:
Well I have placed the chapter request with a lot of discussion with Mayur, a member of the Grand Advisory Committee. We have the support of many hindi wikipedians including two crats, Mayur and Ashish. And we will soon get the support from more 20 wikipedians. Wikimedia India chapter is mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages, New Chapter in New delhi will help make a good community in India. Well Tinu, you are right, you don't need more organisations, but we need. Well, 10-20 people interested are needed for a chapter, lets see, if we gets them, then only we will proceed.
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All
A fence sitter here, and a South Indian.. a mallu to the core.. :)
Mayur, Vibhi and all out there, here I am talking from very much of an outsider perspective.
I would agree to the point that Mayur has made about having an un-intentional bias which would creep in. Honestly that might happen with any organisation/movement and WM is also not immune to that. Having said that, I am proud to be part of this movement and I would not have stayed here as part of the movement if I noticed something like such a bias anywhere in the activity. And I can say that with much more conviction than most of the volunteers who contributes to wikimedia and threads into this mailing list esp. since as I said at the start of the note that I am a fence sitter. The ones like me would be the one to notice such bias the moment it crops up in the thread or movement.
Sadly, I feel that north-south divide and bias was noticed in the note from Vibhi, and me being fence sitter immediately noticed that and has forced me to write this note...!!! Taking names additionally do not add anything positive to that feeling.
We are one, and we should be one, contributing to each other, and only then this would grow and attain the heights and standards which is there for us to capture.
Let us put it this way, if the Delhi wikipedians feel that there is a need to create a new chapter, and there are enough volunteers to back the proposal, we can go ahead with the proposal and guide it to the logical conclusion.
Just for the sake of having one, there is no point in setting up one. It would only lead to an eventual death and a more painful one for all the volunteers, pan india.
If such a chapter shortens the way for the exponential growth of WM in the country and esp in a metro like Delhi, all of us are game for it. I hope that is what all would be feeling.
Regards Abhi
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:32 PM, mayur mayurdce@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, In reply to above posts i want to make one point clear that I agreed to create a new chapter in Delhi with Vibhijain but that is just a proposal and this will be done if we get atleast 20 Participants. Two options are better than one.As of now we Observed that whole Wikimedia and Chapter Activities are Concentrated towards South India.New Delhi is one of the biggest Educational City of India and it should be our Target.But as most of the Volunteers in India Chapter are from South India so its difficult for them to communicate and make awareness regarding Wiki culture in North India Portion.Wikimedia Delhi Chapter will build and unite a Healthy North Indian Wiki Community.But its doesn't mean that we are different and our goals are different, its just about to shorten your way.Whether the new chapter request is approved or not,I assured you all that we will work Unitedly.
With Regards Mayur
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
You are not articulating your position quite well here. There already is a national chapter. Sub-national chapters aren't very common.
Can someone else from your supporters speak up? Mayur, are you reading this? I left a message on your page on hi.wiki about his wikimania bid a couple of weeks ago.
As I recall vibhi, you also applied for the Grant Advisory committee [1] along with several other people, either way, I assure you committee seat is not a criteria for chapter formation.
Salmaan
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_Advisory_Committee/Call_For_Volunteers
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Vibhi Jain vibhijain@yahoo.in wrote:
Well I have placed the chapter request with a lot of discussion with Mayur, a member of the Grand Advisory Committee. We have the support of many hindi wikipedians including two crats, Mayur and Ashish. And we will soon get the support from more 20 wikipedians. Wikimedia India chapter is mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages, New Chapter in New delhi will help make a good community in India. Well Tinu, you are right, you don't need more organisations, but we need. Well, 10-20 people interested are needed for a chapter, lets see, if we gets them, then only we will proceed.
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On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Vibhi Jain vibhijain@yahoo.in wrote:
Wikimedia India chapter is mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages,
Any measurable work by Indian Chapter is not visible for me so far. Both with North /south indian languages/ areas. I think They are just placing them on track after clearing the hurdles on legal side.
All work currently visble on their website is the work by language wiki Communities and not countable as chapter work . May be that resulted in misconception
Anivar
Vibhi, DO NOTE: 1> The Chapter was formed hardly six months ago. Give it some time. You're acting too impatient. 2> While the Chapter is headed in Bangalore, The Foundation offices in India will be in Delhi, as confirmed by Hisham over IRC on the 2nd of June. What more do you want? --Srikanth R. [Former Hindi and English Editor, Living in Bangalore, the SOUTH of India].
On 5 June 2011 23:59, Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Vibhi Jain vibhijain@yahoo.in wrote:
Wikimedia India chapter is mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages,
Any measurable work by Indian Chapter is not visible for me so far. Both with North /south indian languages/ areas. I think They are just placing them on track after clearing the hurdles on legal side.
All work currently visble on their website is the work by language wiki Communities and not countable as chapter work . May be that resulted in misconception
Anivar
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Hey:
My 2 paise on the subject.
Yes, I do think that there is a need for greater representation but there is also a similarly large need for cohesion. At times, these two might operate at some tension with each other but that is something that we all, as a community, will find a way to deal with. This is a process and I am unsure as to whether another entity is a fair solution to it but am open to ideas.
Vibhi - from what little I know, your contributions and enthusiasm is greatly valued. That said, perhaps certain things are best dealt with in frameworks that exist for their resolution - for example, what you have spoken about in the Sanskrit Wikipedia.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://social.prathambooks.org/
Vibhi,
It is great to hear about traction from New Delhi. Please use the momentum to get some regular Wikipedia meet ups going in New Delhi like Mumbai, Pune, Bangalore and Kerala. Meetups in each city are a great way to serve the needs of the local wikipedians and community.
Membership to the India chapter is open. We urge you to please consider joining the chapter and lead the initiatives locally in Delhi along with other wikipedians like Mayur and Ashish.
Look forward to seeing more meet ups in New Delhi with all your efforts. Please reach out on this list if you were to need any assistance.
Regards Arun
On 05-Jun-2011, at 10:10 PM, Vibhi Jain vibhijain@yahoo.in wrote:
Well I have placed the chapter request with a lot of discussion with Mayur, a member of the Grand Advisory Committee. We have the support of many hindi wikipedians including two crats, Mayur and Ashish. And we will soon get the support from more 20 wikipedians. Wikimedia India chapter is mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages, New Chapter in New delhi will help make a good community in India. Well Tinu, you are right, you don't need more organisations, but we need. Well, 10-20 people interested are needed for a chapter, lets see, if we gets them, then only we will proceed. _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-bh
.As of now we Observed that whole Wikimedia and Chapter Activities are
Concentrated towards South India
I dont get how Delhi wikimedians got this impression. From what i can see, the chapter is still taking its baby steps and hasn't done anything in particular. Only after the chapter starts functioning in full gear, we can judge whether it is biased toward one region.Saying it has a south bias is premature.
You are conflating the work of South Indian wikimedians who are associated with the chapter (or are just active in india mailing list) with the chapter itself. I say, be patient,give the chapter time to function and then judge its actions.
- Bala
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabottle@gmail.com wrote:
I dont get how Delhi wikimedians got this impression.
Perhaps using the phrases Wikimedians in Delhi, as opposed to "Delhi Wikimedians" would be a good start.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:02 AM, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabottle@gmail.com wrote:
I dont get how Delhi wikimedians got this impression.
Perhaps using the phrases Wikimedians in Delhi, as opposed to "Delhi Wikimedians" would be a good start.
ok will do so in the future.
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