Hello,
i'm not sure wich system to use for every city in Italy. It's better to use rome:information/weather or rome/information/ weather ?
andy
On 28/09/2007, Arena Andrea andrea@arena.cd wrote:
i'm not sure wich system to use for every city in Italy. It's better to use rome:information/weather or rome/information/ weather ?
[[Rome:Information/weather]] looks like a namespace. If you can only have a few namespaces (16?) in Mediawiki, they could run out very quickly. Not everything with a colon has to be a namespace, but users may think it is one.
I prefer having everything in the top layer in a MediaWiki installation, and grouping things using categories. But some reasonably sizable installations use subpages (e.g. [[Rome/Information/Weather]]) in a productive way, e.g. Citizendium. (CZ is only small compared to en:wp - it's 20,000 pages.)
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On 28/09/2007, Arena Andrea wrote:
i'm not sure wich system to use for every city in Italy. It's better to use rome:information/weather or rome/information/ weather ?
[[Rome:Information/weather]] looks like a namespace. If you can only have a few namespaces (16?) in Mediawiki,
Who has said such thing?? Mediawiki comes with 16 predefined namespaces (+2 pseudo-namespaces) but you could have as many as you want (in the integer range).
If a namespaces were to be used, i'd prefer [[Weather:Rome]] (and maybe also [[Information:Rome]] ?) Also, rethink if you really need the 'Information' bit. Or would you also have weather pages not under Information?
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[[Rome:Information/weather]] looks like a namespace. If you can only have a few namespaces (16?) in Mediawiki,
Who has said such thing?? Mediawiki comes with 16 predefined namespaces (+2 pseudo-namespaces) but you could have as many as you want (in the integer range).
If a namespaces were to be used, i'd prefer [[Weather:Rome]] (and maybe also [[Information:Rome]] ?) Also, rethink if you really need the 'Information' bit. Or would you also have weather pages not under Information?
ok,
the link is http://www.italien.ch/de/wiki/Sizilien (it's in german) Template is http://www.italien.ch/de/wiki/Vorlage:Ort (Ort means a location)
I think to use sicily/informationm, sicily/weather, sicily/theater is the better way.
andy
I am new so that I am confused. Does [[Rome:Information/weather]] looks like a namespace or Category?
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On 28/09/2007, Arena Andrea andrea@arena.cd wrote:
i'm not sure wich system to use for every city in Italy. It's better to use rome:information/weather or rome/information/ weather ?
[[Rome:Information/weather]] looks like a namespace. If you can only have a few namespaces (16?) in Mediawiki, they could run out very quickly. Not everything with a colon has to be a namespace, but users may think it is one.
I prefer having everything in the top layer in a MediaWiki installation, and grouping things using categories. But some reasonably sizable installations use subpages (e.g. [[Rome/Information/Weather]]) in a productive way, e.g. Citizendium. (CZ is only small compared to en:wp - it's 20,000 pages.)
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I am new so that I am confused. Does [[Rome:Information/weather]] looks like a namespace or Category?
It looks like a namespace. Links may either be of the form [[Some Page]] (where Main namespace is implied) or [[Namespace:Some Page]].
Namespaces often have special meanings - like Category, Image and Media - which cause them to behave differently during page render.
-- Jim R. Wilson (jimbojw)
On 10/3/07, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
I am new so that I am confused. Does [[Rome:Information/weather]] looks like a namespace or Category?
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i'm not sure wich system to use for every city in Italy. It's better to use rome:information/weather or rome/information/ weather ?
[[Rome:Information/weather]] looks like a namespace. If you can only have a few namespaces (16?) in Mediawiki, they could run out very quickly. Not everything with a colon has to be a namespace, but users may think it is one.
I prefer having everything in the top layer in a MediaWiki installation, and grouping things using categories. But some reasonably sizable installations use subpages (e.g. [[Rome/Information/Weather]]) in a productive way, e.g. Citizendium. (CZ is only small compared to en:wp - it's 20,000 pages.)
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Rome:Information/weather ^ ^ ^ | | | | | subpage | Article Name Namespace
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On 28/09/2007, Arena Andrea andrea@arena.cd wrote:
i'm not sure wich system to use for every city in Italy. It's better to use rome:information/weather or rome/information/ weather ?
[[Rome:Information/weather]] looks like a namespace. If you can only have a few namespaces (16?) in Mediawiki, they could run out very quickly. Not everything with a colon has to be a namespace, but users may think it is one.
I prefer having everything in the top layer in a MediaWiki installation, and grouping things using categories. But some reasonably sizable installations use subpages (e.g. [[Rome/Information/Weather]]) in a productive way, e.g. Citizendium. (CZ is only small compared to en:wp - it's 20,000 pages.)
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I am using an installation of MediaWiki (version 1.8.2) on which I am sysop.
The page Speciel:Recentchanges&hidebots=0&days=30&limit=500&hidepatrolled=1 shows a list of the latest articles, which I check and patrol when I have reviewed the changes.
All changes is correctly listed with a red exclamation mark. Some is listed as
N b! 14:24 CRON (forskel; historik) . . Her (Diskussion | bidrag | bloker) (Redirecting to Cron)
While others are listed as (translated from Danish)
-N ! 14:45 Pingvin (4 Changes; History) [Akmo? (4×)] ! 14:45 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block) (?Systemansvarlig) ! 14:43 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block) (?Support info til HP) ! 14:41 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block) (?Support info til HP) N ! 14:40 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block)
While I can patrol articles with only one revision, by clicking Changes, I am not able to patrol the each of the multible revisions, since "current" and "last" does not contain any Patrol links
Why is it impossible to patrol the multible revisions (neither each single revision to an article nor all multible revisions to an article collectively)? The MediaWiki Help at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edit does not seem to explain this.
Henrik
Henrik Rasmussen wrote :
I am using an installation of MediaWiki (version 1.8.2) on which I am sysop.
The page Speciel:Recentchanges&hidebots=0&days=30&limit=500&hidepatrolled=1 shows a list of the latest articles, which I check and patrol when I have reviewed the changes.
All changes is correctly listed with a red exclamation mark. Some is listed as
N b! 14:24 CRON (forskel; historik) . . Her (Diskussion | bidrag | bloker) (Redirecting to Cron)
While others are listed as (translated from Danish)
-N ! 14:45 Pingvin (4 Changes; History) [Akmo? (4×)] ! 14:45 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block) (?Systemansvarlig) ! 14:43 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block) (?Support info til HP) ! 14:41 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block) (?Support info til HP) N ! 14:40 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block)
While I can patrol articles with only one revision, by clicking Changes, I am not able to patrol the each of the multible revisions, since "current" and "last" does not contain any Patrol links
Why is it impossible to patrol the multible revisions (neither each single revision to an article nor all multible revisions to an article collectively)? The MediaWiki Help at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edit does not seem to explain this.
if I click on "last", I have the [mark as patrolled edit] link (except for the N ! whose "last" is not clickable)
NB1 : a "&rcid=##" appears in the url
NB2 : you're using "enhanced Special:Recentchanges", could you try normal Recentchanges just to see if you have the problem there too (you must click on "diff" link to see the [mark as patrolled edit] link) ?
Sorry, my mistake. I found the link. Thanks.
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Henrik Rasmussen wrote :
I am using an installation of MediaWiki (version 1.8.2) on which I am sysop.
The page Speciel:Recentchanges&hidebots=0&days=30&limit=500&hidepatrolled=1 shows a list of the latest articles, which I check and patrol when I have reviewed the changes.
All changes is correctly listed with a red exclamation mark. Some is listed as
N b! 14:24 CRON (forskel; historik) . . Her (Diskussion | bidrag | bloker) (Redirecting to Cron)
While others are listed as (translated from Danish)
-N ! 14:45 Pingvin (4 Changes; History) [Akmo? (4×)] ! 14:45 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block) (?Systemansvarlig) ! 14:43 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block) (?Support info til HP) ! 14:41 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block) (?Support info til HP) N ! 14:40 (current; last) . . Akmo (Talk | contribs | block)
While I can patrol articles with only one revision, by clicking Changes, I am not able to patrol the each of the multible revisions, since "current" and "last" does not contain any Patrol links
Why is it impossible to patrol the multible revisions (neither each single revision to an article nor all multible revisions to an article collectively)? The MediaWiki Help at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edit does not seem to explain this.
if I click on "last", I have the [mark as patrolled edit] link (except for the N ! whose "last" is not clickable)
NB1 : a "&rcid=##" appears in the url
NB2 : you're using "enhanced Special:Recentchanges", could you try normal Recentchanges just to see if you have the problem there too (you must click on "diff" link to see the [mark as patrolled edit] link) ?
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On 28/09/2007, Arena Andrea andrea@arena.cd wrote:
Hello,
i'm not sure wich system to use for every city in Italy. It's better to use rome:information/weather or rome/information/ weather ?
andy
A namespace for each city doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Subpages would be better. I don't think "information" is required, though, just have Rome/Weather.
Someone suggested categories - I wouldn't use categories if every page will only have one category. Categories are great if pages fall into lots of groups, but they aren't really designed for a simple tree structure.
Very good analysis. Since I am new, I will take this opportunity to ask a bit further. Will it be a good idea to create a Category:City? Could it be useful?
Nelson
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On 28/09/2007, Arena Andrea andrea@arena.cd wrote:
Hello,
i'm not sure wich system to use for every city in Italy. It's better to use rome:information/weather or rome/information/ weather ?
andy
A namespace for each city doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Subpages would be better. I don't think "information" is required, though, just have Rome/Weather.
Someone suggested categories - I wouldn't use categories if every page will only have one category. Categories are great if pages fall into lots of groups, but they aren't really designed for a simple tree structure.
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On 03/10/2007, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
Very good analysis. Since I am new, I will take this opportunity to ask a bit further. Will it be a good idea to create a Category:City? Could it be useful?
It would provide you with a list of all the cities you have articles on - that could be useful. I'm not sure what you're wiki is actually about - if it's only cities, then there isn't much point. Special:Allpages would give you the same list.
Actually Arena Andrea originated the discussion. I was just following the discussion and taking the opportunity to learn something because I have not get the hang of the Category usage yet.
Btw, Is subpage the same as section of a page?
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On 03/10/2007, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
Very good analysis. Since I am new, I will take this opportunity to ask
a
bit further. Will it be a good idea to create a Category:City? Could it be useful?
It would provide you with a list of all the cities you have articles on - that could be useful. I'm not sure what you're wiki is actually about - if it's only cities, then there isn't much point. Special:Allpages would give you the same list.
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Btw, Is subpage the same as section of a page?
No, completely different. A section of a page is whatever comes after a heading. A subpage is a page with a title of the form "PARENTPAGE/SUBPAGE". In most respects, it's a page like any other.
I don't want to flood all mediawiki experts' mailboxes, but I am curious to ask what is the advantage of creating subpages?
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Btw, Is subpage the same as section of a page?
No, completely different. A section of a page is whatever comes after a heading. A subpage is a page with a title of the form "PARENTPAGE/SUBPAGE". In most respects, it's a page like any other.
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On 03/10/2007, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
I don't want to flood all mediawiki experts' mailboxes, but I am curious to ask what is the advantage of creating subpages?
Over what? You mean why is "Rome/Weather" better than "Weather in Rome"? Only thing I can think of is the BreadCrumb extension that gives a link(s) back to the parent page(s) at the top of the page. There's also the advantage of the pages being together on the list of all pages, rather than in alphabetical order by the subtitle.
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On 03/10/2007, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
I don't want to flood all mediawiki experts' mailboxes, but I am curious to ask what is the advantage of creating subpages?
Over what? You mean why is "Rome/Weather" better than "Weather in Rome"? Only thing I can think of is the BreadCrumb extension that gives a link(s) back to the parent page(s) at the top of the page. There's also the advantage of the pages being together on the list of all pages, rather than in alphabetical order by the subtitle.
Breadcrumbs are a built-in feature of the software and are shown when the page being viewed is a subpage in a namespace with subpages enabled.
Rob Church
Breadcrumbs are a built-in feature of the software and are shown when the page being viewed is a subpage in a namespace with subpages enabled.
So it is. There is a Breadcrumbs extension, but it shows the route a user has taken through the wiki, rather than the hierarchy of the page they're viewing.
Breadcrumbs are a built-in feature of the software and are shown when the page being viewed is a subpage in a namespace with subpages enabled.
So it is. There is a Breadcrumbs extension, but it shows the route a user has taken through the wiki,
This is the true meaning of using breadcrumbs, isn't it?
rather than the hierarchy of the page they're viewing.
Yes. I've always thought that "breadcrumbs" should have been called YAH or "You Are Here".
Mark W.
On 04/10/2007, Mark Wonsil wonsil@4m-ent.com wrote:
Breadcrumbs are a built-in feature of the software and are shown when the page being viewed is a subpage in a namespace with subpages enabled.
So it is. There is a Breadcrumbs extension, but it shows the route a user has taken through the wiki,
This is the true meaning of using breadcrumbs, isn't it?
Yeah, probably.
rather than the hierarchy of the page they're viewing.
Yes. I've always thought that "breadcrumbs" should have been called YAH or "You Are Here".
Why does everything have to have a name? "Those links at the top to parent pages" works for me.
We use subpages to further define a topic. By using the Subpage extention we get a listing of all subpages belonging to a page and the system automatically put a back link on the subpage to the parent page.
An example might be your country/city setup. With the country being a page and a subpage for each city.
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On 04/10/2007, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
I don't want to flood all mediawiki experts' mailboxes, but I am curious to ask what is the advantage of creating subpages?
The main advantage is conceptual, for understanding the structure or relationship between the different pages.
Special:Prefixindex is also useful for subpages structures.
Note that by default, no namespaces support subpages. You have to turn it on in LocalSettings.php. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespacesWithSubpages#Enabling_fo...
AFAIK there are two differences between subpages being enabled or not. The first difference is if subpages are enabled, you will get an automatic backlink to the parent page.
The second difference is that relative linking works. So if you have [[Rome]], [[Rome/Information]] and [[Rome/Information/Weather]], on [[Rome/Information]] you can have links like
[[..|the main page]] (links to [[Rome]], I think) [[/Weather]] (links to [[Rome/Information/Weather]]) [[../Information2]] (links to [[Rome/Information2]])
If it's not enabled, you've just created a page that happens to have a slash in the title. Like "AC/DC" - if subpages are enabled, "DC" is a subpage of "AC". If they're not enabled, it's just a string that happens to have a slash.
To see subpages used extensively I recommend checking out Wikibooks. http://en.wikibooks.org/
regards, Brianna
Thank you for the useful detailed information. From all of the responses can I conclude that subpage is a structural way to manage pages through Namespace mechanism?
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On 04/10/2007, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
I don't want to flood all mediawiki experts' mailboxes, but I am curious
to
ask what is the advantage of creating subpages?
The main advantage is conceptual, for understanding the structure or relationship between the different pages.
Special:Prefixindex is also useful for subpages structures.
Note that by default, no namespaces support subpages. You have to turn it on in LocalSettings.php. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespacesWithSubpages#Enabling_fo...
AFAIK there are two differences between subpages being enabled or not. The first difference is if subpages are enabled, you will get an automatic backlink to the parent page.
The second difference is that relative linking works. So if you have [[Rome]], [[Rome/Information]] and [[Rome/Information/Weather]], on [[Rome/Information]] you can have links like
[[..|the main page]] (links to [[Rome]], I think) [[/Weather]] (links to [[Rome/Information/Weather]]) [[../Information2]] (links to [[Rome/Information2]])
If it's not enabled, you've just created a page that happens to have a slash in the title. Like "AC/DC" - if subpages are enabled, "DC" is a subpage of "AC". If they're not enabled, it's just a string that happens to have a slash.
To see subpages used extensively I recommend checking out Wikibooks. http://en.wikibooks.org/
regards, Brianna
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