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Cameron Stephen

14 Sep 2004 14 Sep '04

9:29 a.m.

OK, for my next dumb question ~ Does anyone know what and how to hack my wiki to show a "printable version" option on my pages in monobook? TYIA Cameron C. J. Stephen notReality ~ http://www.notreality.biz/notreality.php Photoblogring.org ~ http://photoblogring.nfshost.com

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Muke Tever

14 Sep 14 Sep

1:27 p.m.

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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:29:33 +1000, Cameron Stephen <camstephen(a)iprimus.com.au> wrote:

OK, for my next dumb question ~ Does anyone know what and how to hack my wiki to show a "printable version" option on my pages in monobook?

I was suspecting that the lack of "printable version" in monobook indicated that rules for printouts were indicated in the stylesheet itself, and after a quick test just now this indeed appears to be the case. (This is hardly intuitive--not knowing this, on Wikipedia recently I have been switching to classic skin to get printable versions.) *Muke! -- website: http://frath.net/ LiveJournal: http://kohath.livejournal.com/ deviantArt: http://kohath.deviantart.com/ FrathWiki, a conlang and conculture wiki: http://wiki.frath.net/

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Rowan Collins

1:56 p.m.

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Muke Tever wrote:

I was suspecting that the lack of "printable version" in monobook indicated that rules for printouts were indicated in the stylesheet itself, and after a quick test just now this indeed appears to be the case. (This is hardly intuitive--not knowing this, on Wikipedia recently I have been switching to classic skin to get printable versions.)

Yes, I must say I wouldn't have thought of this, and a non-technical user would almost certainly just think "this won't look very good printed out". I wonder if there's some way of making it more obvious that this is the case... -- Rowan Collins BSc [IMSoP]

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Kiss All

4:02 p.m.

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I agree. I doubted the print result for metawiki. But It is terrific when I try to print a page out. Maybe a fake printable version link is needed for common users to know: this page is proper to be printed out. On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:56:58 +0100, Rowan Collins <rowan.collins(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Muke Tever wrote:

I was suspecting that the lack of "printable version" in monobook indicated that rules for printouts were indicated in the stylesheet itself, and after a quick test just now this indeed appears to be the case. (This is hardly intuitive--not knowing this, on Wikipedia recently I have been switching to classic skin to get printable versions.)

Yes, I must say I wouldn't have thought of this, and a non-technical user would almost certainly just think "this won't look very good printed out". I wonder if there's some way of making it more obvious that this is the case... -- Rowan Collins BSc [IMSoP] _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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5:41 p.m.

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Am Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:56:58 +0100 hat Rowan Collins <rowan.collins(a)gmail.com> geschrieben:

Muke Tever wrote:

I was suspecting that the lack of "printable version" in monobook indicated that rules for printouts were indicated in the stylesheet itself, and after a quick test just now this indeed appears to be the case. (This is hardly intuitive--not knowing this, on Wikipedia recently I have been switching to classic skin to get printable versions.)

Yes, I must say I wouldn't have thought of this, and a non-technical user would almost certainly just think "this won't look very good printed out". I wonder if there's some way of making it more obvious that this is the case...

I know this is not a solution to that problem though I think it would be sufficient to mention it somewhere accessible but if you use the Opera browser you get a printing preview just by hitting the P key. Then you see what ya gonna get. I can imagine that ie got something like that too. --tic

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Paul Johnson

4:25 p.m.

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OK, for my next dumb question ~ Does anyone know what and how to hack my wiki to show a "printable version" option on my pages in monobook?

I thought that was called the "classic" skin. Am I wrong?

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Rowan Collins

7:06 p.m.

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Paul Johnson <baloo(a)ursine.dyndns.org> wrote:

OK, for my next dumb question ~ Does anyone know what and how to hack my wiki to show a "printable version" option on my pages in monobook?

I thought that was called the "classic" skin. Am I wrong?

The Classic skin, I believe, had/has a link to a special "Print Version" of each article. The MonoBook skin, by using CSS, simply tells the browser to print the page differently than it displays it. This is of course rather more "magic" than most users expect... -- Rowan Collins BSc [IMSoP]

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Ira Abramov

7:51 p.m.

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Quoting Rowan Collins, from the post of Tue, 14 Sep:

I thought that was called the "classic" skin. Am I wrong?

The Classic skin, I believe, had/has a link to a special "Print Version" of each article. The MonoBook skin, by using CSS, simply tells the browser to print the page differently than it displays it. This is of course rather more "magic" than most users expect...

indeed, people expect it to render correctly as they see it on the screen. People also expect it to at least render inteligably, but if you try this on a Hebrew Wiki (and I suppose Farsi and Arabic will not be different) you get your text left-justified and with many overlapping characters here and there. not a pretty sight. I like the "print magic" idea, but is it possible to have a setting to disable it? -- Bachelor number one Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/

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Brion Vibber

8:14 p.m.

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On Sep 14, 2004, at 12:51 PM, Ira Abramov wrote:

indeed, people expect it to render correctly as they see it on the screen. People also expect it to at least render inteligably, but if you try this on a Hebrew Wiki (and I suppose Farsi and Arabic will not be different) you get your text left-justified and with many overlapping characters here and there. not a pretty sight.

May be a bug in the print stylesheet hard-coding alignment values without respect for right-to-left languages. Could you open a bug report at http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/ to make sure this gets fixed?

I like the "print magic" idea, but is it possible to have a setting to disable it?

No, nor should there be; MonoBook by itself would not print correctly and we need to include extra footers in the printed version for URLs etc. However we may add the useless "printable version" link to MonoBook just because people seem unwilling to use "print preview". :) -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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