MediaWiki-l June 2005

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no rollback with only one author?!
by Sam Rowe 14 Jun '05

14 Jun '05

Sorry if this is in the archives. It just bit me in a huge way. We maintain a MediaWiki for internal documentation which means that usually one or two people "own" a document (meaning that they're the only ones who contribute to it.) What's the rationale behind not allowing a roll-back if there's been only one author? Is it something that makes sense in a Wikepedia context, but not necessarily in a general context? If so has it been "preffed" ? Thanks for any info. -Sam

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RE: [Mediawiki-l] Windows Apache & IIS vs Linux Apacheperformance differences
by Alistair Johnson 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

Have you tried using the ISAPI module, or just the CGI executable for PHP? Al. -----Original Message----- From: Troy Thompson [mailto:tthompson+mediawiki@envisionware.com] Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2005 3:10 a.m. To: FL; MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: RE: [Mediawiki-l] Windows Apache & IIS vs Linux Apacheperformancedifferences I just want to ensure I've not overlooked something in IIS or PHP which would improve the performance. Has anyone compared Windows/IIS vs Linux/Apache and found vast differences in MediaWiki performance?

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RE: [Mediawiki-l] Windows Apache & IIS vs LinuxApacheperformanced ifferences
by Alistair Johnson 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

I see really high CPU usage (up to 90%) for our CGI version as well. Luckily our traffic levels are low so it isn't really noticable to our end users. I've read mention of FastCGI as an option to get rid of the overhead in running the CGI module. Has anyone tried this? Al. -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Guy [mailto:arthur@astarsolutions.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2005 9:30 a.m. To: 'MediaWiki announcements and site admin list' Subject: RE: [Mediawiki-l] Windows Apache & IIS vs LinuxApacheperformancedifferences Just to add my bit; I am using php as a CGI and I still get very high processor usage about 50%. My system is a little faster so the performance of ISAPI to CGI seems about the same. Arthur > -----Original Message----- > From: Alistair Johnson [mailto:JohnsonA@rembrandt.co.nz] > > Have you tried using the ISAPI module, or just the CGI executable for PHP? > > Al. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy Thompson [mailto:tthompson+mediawiki@envisionware.com] > I just want to ensure I've not overlooked something in IIS or PHP > which would improve the performance. Has anyone compared Windows/IIS > vs Linux/Apache and found vast differences in MediaWiki performance? > >I'm using the ISAPI module. I've not used the CGI on this server. 'a star solutions' disclaimer The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. We believe that this communication is free from viruses and other potentially dangerous programmes, but the recipient opens this communication at their own risk. We assume no responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the receipt or use of this communication _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Adding a link to the navigation bar
by Mark Johnson 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

I'm have been unsucessful at adding a item to the navigation toolbar. I tried to follow the instructions found here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_contents_of _the_navigation_toolbar.3F) but the new link shows up as <Juno> and link's url in the status bar says "--error:_link_target_missing--". This is what my $wgNavigationLinks array in LocalSettings.php looks like: $wgNavigationLinks = array ( array( 'text'=>'mainpage' , 'href'=>'mainpage' ), array( 'text'=>'Juno' , 'href'=>'Juno' ), array( 'text'=>'currentevents' , 'href'=>'currentevents-url' ), array( 'text'=>'recentchanges' , 'href'=>'recentchanges-url' ), array( 'text'=>'help' , 'href'=>'helppage' ), array( 'text'=>'sitesupport' , 'href'=>'sitesupport-url' ), ); I've confirmed that I do indeed have a page at http://tux/wiki/index.php?Juno (tux is the server on our intranet) so I assume that I'm mis-reading the instructions or something. I tried adding an absolute URL with no luck either. Perhapse I created the page wrong? I just edited the main page and added [[Juno]], saved the page, then clicked on the red Juno link and then edited that page and save it. Anyway, I must have missed a step or something, can someone help me get this working? Thanks for your time!

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Automatic sandbox rollback
by Carlton B 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

Is there a script or procedure for the automatic rollback of the sandbox page, as is done in Wikipedia? I mean the mechanism that magically sets the sandbox back to its virginal state every day or so.

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Variables in Wikitext & Browser Caching
by Wolfe, Jeff 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

Hi All, The main page of my wiki has the variable {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} on it. I'm having a problem with multiple client browsers caching this page and not reloading when the variable changes. If I force a reload, the number is rendered correctly. If I change the wikitext, the page is reloaded. Otherwise, I can press F5 all day and not get the latest copy if only the variable has changed. I have verified this with both IE 6.0 and Firefox 1.0.1. I'm running MediaWiki 1.4.1 with a 'recent changes' patch. Any ideas? Seems like a caching problem with variables. Can I disable caching for this page only? Thanks in advance, Jeff

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Re: [Mediawiki-l] Windows Apache & IIS vs Linux Apache performancedifferences
by Michael Rhoadarmer 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

On the OS side I really don't care, I use the best one for the application I'm running. But lets face it Windows engineers have decided that bigger is better and Linux engineers pride themselves on how small they can go. If you want to run Windows and have it run at full steam you need power, space and RAM. That was my point in comparing technology to hardware. I think that in Web apps like MediaWiki, LAMP is way to go and you only use WIMP if its madated by company policy. Michael Rhoadarmer, Media Systems Manager Wheaton College Wheaton, IL 60187 michael.r.rhoadarmer(a)wheaton.edu >>> FL <lengyel(a)gmail.com> 06/13/2005 8:56:06 AM >>> On 6/13/05, Michael Rhoadarmer <Michael.R.Rhoadarmer(a)wheaton.edu> wrote: > > It really shouldn't surprise anyone that Open Source software has issues > on a Windows box, especially 2000 which is running on a 6 year old design. > The question might be would the same issue be there if you were running > MSSQL and .NET instead of PHP and MySQL? Also, 512 is a lot of RAM for LAMP > but its only a light snack for a Windows server. That's our minimum standard > for office workstations. Still, for a fairer comparison of technology (not > hardware) I would double the RAM, install 2003, and eliminate all > non-essential services. I also might try it turning of page files and going > straight RAM. > > Michael Rhoadarmer, Media Systems Manager > Wheaton College > Wheaton, IL 60187 > michael.r.rhoadarmer(a)wheaton.edu > > Why is building an even bigger server than the one already twice as fast a "fairer" comparison? How much does the LAMP configuration have to be handicapped before the WIMP configuration becomes "fair"? The distinction between "technology" and "hardware" needs further clarification, to put it mildly. I suppose one should consider the cost. Why spend more for proprietary systems and hardware (not "technology"!) for worse performance? FL _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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RE: [Mediawiki-l] Windows Apache & IIS vs Linux Apache performancedifferences
by Michael Rhoadarmer 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

It really shouldn't surprise anyone that Open Source software has issues on a Windows box, especially 2000 which is running on a 6 year old design. The question might be would the same issue be there if you were running MSSQL and .NET instead of PHP and MySQL? Also, 512 is a lot of RAM for LAMP but its only a light snack for a Windows server. That's our minimum standard for office workstations. Still, for a fairer comparison of technology (not hardware) I would double the RAM, install 2003, and eliminate all non-essential services. I also might try it turning of page files and going straight RAM. Michael Rhoadarmer, Media Systems Manager Wheaton College Wheaton, IL 60187 michael.r.rhoadarmer(a)wheaton.edu >>> tthompson+mediawiki(a)envisionware.com 06/13/2005 12:20:11 AM >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: mediawiki-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org > [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of FL > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:02 PM > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Windows Apache & IIS vs Linux Apache > performancedifferences > > > Question: is this comparison between LAMP vs WIMP implementations > of the same software being made on molecularly identical hardware? > The LAMP configuration is about 3 1/2 times faster than the WIMP > configuration. The comparison is on vastly different hardware. The LAMP hardware is a Pentium 3 laptop at 850Mhz, 200MB RAM. The WIMP hardware is a Pentium 4 server at 2+ Ghz, 512MB RAM. This actually makes the speed of the LAMP implementation even more stunning; at half the CPU and half the RAM, it's consistently 4 times faster than the WIMP server. - Troy Thompson _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Navigation Bar
by Arthur Guy 12 Jun '05

12 Jun '05

I have been trying to add and remove items from the navigation bar but I can't find out how, I have read through all the different guides on the MediaWiki site but still can't work out where the links are stored. Which file stores them? Thanks Arthur <mailto:arthur@astarsolutions.co.uk> arthur(a)astarsolutions.co.uk 'a star solutions' disclaimer The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. We believe that this communication is free from viruses and other potentially dangerous programmes, but the recipient opens this communication at their own risk. We assume no responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the receipt or use of this communication

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Text on page in columns
by Michał Gawroński 12 Jun '05

12 Jun '05

Hi. Is there posiblity to format text to a colums (like in newspaper)?? Regards Wiadomość wysłana przez program DRACO ORGANIZER http://www.dshome.pl

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