Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized. https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
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Yes, please. We should approve it as separate Wikisource.
Best Satdeep
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 12:30 AM Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
Hoi, For Wikisource there is little need to be cautious. It is largely a hub for activity.. Finding an audience for the work done is the challenge. Thanks, Gerard
On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, please. We should approve it as separate Wikisource.
Best Satdeep
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 12:30 AM Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response (< https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response (< https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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I wholeheartedly agree! This is one of the first nations to become Christians in Europe, they have a rich written culture - all under PD-Old.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response (< https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response (< https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com님이 작성:
I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response (< https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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Hi,
Maybe it's finally time to make clear different rules for Wikisource ?
Wikisource is very unique in its dynamic. It doesn't need a big community. It's the only Wikimedia projects where a page can be finished and never touched again (it's also a bit true for Wikinews tho) and for some languages, the whole project may be finished some day : for example in Breton, in 13 years, with a community of at most 5 people we did around a third of all the books. Since ~100 books are published every year in Breton, we may see the day where we finished it (and thus, there will be no activity). And even the biggest Wikisources still have a small community (for comparison, 338 active users for the English Wikisource) who still produce more content than Wikipedia with communities 10 or 100 times bigger (again for comparison, English Wikisource has half a million texts and 4 millions pages). I don't have the stats but I guess that most Wikisources are under 5 active users a month and that's a lot, meanwhile a Wikipedia with less than 100 active users is still too small (Breton Wikipedia has a bit less than 100 active users and it's barely enough).
That's why there always have been more leniency when it came to approve a new Wikisource That's never been written down (unlike ancient or historical languages that are explicitly allowed on Wikisource only), maybe it should?
Cheers, Nicolas
Le ven. 4 août 2023 à 09:19, Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com a écrit :
I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
True, that community activities are important, and I think that it is important to approve all other projects. But Wikisource is a very different project, where the value would be even in its passive existence. When there are text available in that language -- and there are already a few of them -- the chances of a community being drawn to it are bigger. But in any case value for readers is really big. Maybe the rules should be different for Wikisource because of its different nature (no original text, basically)?
Best regards, antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
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On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19 AM Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com wrote:
I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com님이 작성:
I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response (< https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
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I have to agree with Sotiale. With the current activity, we can't approve it. I'm open to discuss the specifics of Wikisource though. But as of now, there seem to be no Georgian users interested in at least accompanying the switch to a separate wiki, which will always need at least some adjustments to be done. As I said previously, someoen also needs to be willing to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki. And already the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
Am Fr., 4. Aug. 2023 um 13:12 Uhr schrieb Nataliia Tymkiv < ntymkiv@wikimedia.org>:
True, that community activities are important, and I think that it is important to approve all other projects. But Wikisource is a very different project, where the value would be even in its passive existence. When there are text available in that language -- and there are already a few of them -- the chances of a community being drawn to it are bigger. But in any case value for readers is really big. Maybe the rules should be different for Wikisource because of its different nature (no original text, basically)?
Best regards, antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
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On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19 AM Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com wrote:
I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com님이 작성:
I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response (< https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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I agree with Nicolas and Nataliia. They aren't Langcom members, but their opinion is sensible and well-explained. In Wikisource, stability is not less important than continuous activity.
(In Wikinews, each article is supposed to freeze after a short time, but the activity is supposed to be otherwise continuous, unlike in Wikisource, which may become complete in some languages at some point. Whether it actually works in the current editions of Wikinews is a separate discussion.)
So I'd say that for practical purposes, if there is a lot of content , and the community is good enough at preventing vandalism to it, that's enough for Wikisource. The current Georgian Wikisource satisfies both criteria: as far as I can see, it has many more pages than any other language in wikisource.org, and they aren't being vandalized.
בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 באוג׳ 2023, 14:12, מאת Nataliia Tymkiv < ntymkiv@wikimedia.org>:
True, that community activities are important, and I think that it is important to approve all other projects. But Wikisource is a very different project, where the value would be even in its passive existence. When there are text available in that language -- and there are already a few of them -- the chances of a community being drawn to it are bigger. But in any case value for readers is really big. Maybe the rules should be different for Wikisource because of its different nature (no original text, basically)?
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On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19 AM Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com wrote:
I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com님이 작성:
I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response (< https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
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I agree with the arguments being made in favor of having a different criteria for Wikisource and we should create a separate Wikisource for Georgian as per what Amir says. I think the Georgian community should be able to take ownership of the project and satisfy the criteria mentioned by Amir.
Best Satdeep
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:55, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I agree with Nicolas and Nataliia. They aren't Langcom members, but their opinion is sensible and well-explained. In Wikisource, stability is not less important than continuous activity.
(In Wikinews, each article is supposed to freeze after a short time, but the activity is supposed to be otherwise continuous, unlike in Wikisource, which may become complete in some languages at some point. Whether it actually works in the current editions of Wikinews is a separate discussion.)
So I'd say that for practical purposes, if there is a lot of content , and the community is good enough at preventing vandalism to it, that's enough for Wikisource. The current Georgian Wikisource satisfies both criteria: as far as I can see, it has many more pages than any other language in wikisource.org, and they aren't being vandalized.
בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 באוג׳ 2023, 14:12, מאת Nataliia Tymkiv < ntymkiv@wikimedia.org>:
True, that community activities are important, and I think that it is important to approve all other projects. But Wikisource is a very different project, where the value would be even in its passive existence. When there are text available in that language -- and there are already a few of them -- the chances of a community being drawn to it are bigger. But in any case value for readers is really big. Maybe the rules should be different for Wikisource because of its different nature (no original text, basically)?
Best regards, antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
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On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19 AM Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com wrote:
I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com님이 작성:
I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response (< https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested... >).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
> Hi! > > Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :) > > It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, > they were recategorized. > > https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so... > > I can't think of a reason to keep it there. > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > “We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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We can all agree that the criteria should be different for Wikisource. This is why creation is allowed for ancient or historical languages.
This is because the text of these things is limited, and the total amount is unlikely to increase, so of course these parts should be considered. However, it is questionable whether the same should be applied to living languages. If there is currently little original text for this language, this can be taken into account and approved, but so far nothing has been presented about it.
The sustainability has been considered considering the characteristics of Wikisource, and I have also agreed with this. But even from this point of view, I'm not sure that the project being discussed has a community. Although the community of Georgian speakers is sufficient(kawikipedia), it cannot be extended to other sister projects for approval. What I can still see is that it hasn't been edited by a native speaker in at least 2 months. And pages suffered from vandalism, and editing to revert it was a part of the recent 2 months of editing.
Who will maintain this project? A few projects that we have already approved are still maintained by global sysops. This happens despite following general sustainability criteria.
I don't think this conflicts with the views of Nicolas and Nataliia.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 5일 (토) 오전 1:19, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com님이 작성:
I agree with the arguments being made in favor of having a different criteria for Wikisource and we should create a separate Wikisource for Georgian as per what Amir says. I think the Georgian community should be able to take ownership of the project and satisfy the criteria mentioned by Amir.
Best Satdeep
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:55, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I agree with Nicolas and Nataliia. They aren't Langcom members, but their opinion is sensible and well-explained. In Wikisource, stability is not less important than continuous activity.
(In Wikinews, each article is supposed to freeze after a short time, but the activity is supposed to be otherwise continuous, unlike in Wikisource, which may become complete in some languages at some point. Whether it actually works in the current editions of Wikinews is a separate discussion.)
So I'd say that for practical purposes, if there is a lot of content , and the community is good enough at preventing vandalism to it, that's enough for Wikisource. The current Georgian Wikisource satisfies both criteria: as far as I can see, it has many more pages than any other language in wikisource.org, and they aren't being vandalized.
בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 באוג׳ 2023, 14:12, מאת Nataliia Tymkiv < ntymkiv@wikimedia.org>:
True, that community activities are important, and I think that it is important to approve all other projects. But Wikisource is a very different project, where the value would be even in its passive existence. When there are text available in that language -- and there are already a few of them -- the chances of a community being drawn to it are bigger. But in any case value for readers is really big. Maybe the rules should be different for Wikisource because of its different nature (no original text, basically)?
Best regards, antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
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On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19 AM Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com wrote:
I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com님이 작성:
I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
> No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. > Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the > "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible > (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource. > > I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this > year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted? > > I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now > inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like > there was no response (< > https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested... > >). > > Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. > März 2022, 20:00: > >> Hi! >> >> Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :) >> >> It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, >> they were recategorized. >> >> https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so... >> >> I can't think of a reason to keep it there. >> >> -- >> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי >> http://aharoni.wordpress.com >> “We're living in pieces, >> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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I agree with this, too. Greetings from Depok, Jan
Am 2023-08-04 23:19, schrieb Satdeep Gill:
I agree with the arguments being made in favor of having a different criteria for Wikisource and we should create a separate Wikisource for Georgian as per what Amir says. I think the Georgian community should be able to take ownership of the project and satisfy the criteria mentioned by Amir.
Best
Satdeep
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:55, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I agree with Nicolas and Nataliia. They aren't Langcom members, but their opinion is sensible and well-explained. In Wikisource, stability is not less important than continuous activity.
(In Wikinews, each article is supposed to freeze after a short time, but the activity is supposed to be otherwise continuous, unlike in Wikisource, which may become complete in some languages at some point. Whether it actually works in the current editions of Wikinews is a separate discussion.)
So I'd say that for practical purposes, if there is a lot of content , and the community is good enough at preventing vandalism to it, that's enough for Wikisource. The current Georgian Wikisource satisfies both criteria: as far as I can see, it has many more pages than any other language in wikisource.org [1], and they aren't being vandalized.
בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 באוג׳ 2023, 14:12, מאת Nataliia Tymkiv ntymkiv@wikimedia.org:
True, that community activities are important, and I think that it is important to approve all other projects. But Wikisource is a very different project, where the value would be even in its passive existence. When there are text available in that language -- and there are already a few of them -- the chances of a community being drawn to it are bigger. But in any case value for readers is really big. Maybe the rules should be different for Wikisource because of its different nature (no original text, basically)?
Best regards, antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
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On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19 AM Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com wrote:
I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com님이 작성:
I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
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Hello! Many months have passed since August 2023, and the activity now is much higher: https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
Can we approve the Georgian Wikisource now?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ה׳, 10 באוג׳ 2023 ב-0:17 מאת Jan Wohlgemujth < spamfilter@janwonet.de>:
I agree with this, too. Greetings from Depok, Jan
Am 2023-08-04 23:19, schrieb Satdeep Gill:
I agree with the arguments being made in favor of having a different criteria for Wikisource and we should create a separate Wikisource for Georgian as per what Amir says. I think the Georgian community should be able to take ownership of the project and satisfy the criteria mentioned by Amir.
Best
Satdeep
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:55, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I agree with Nicolas and Nataliia. They aren't Langcom members, but their opinion is sensible and well-explained. In Wikisource, stability is not less important than continuous activity.
(In Wikinews, each article is supposed to freeze after a short time, but the activity is supposed to be otherwise continuous, unlike in Wikisource, which may become complete in some languages at some point. Whether it actually works in the current editions of Wikinews is a separate discussion.)
So I'd say that for practical purposes, if there is a lot of content , and the community is good enough at preventing vandalism to it, that's enough for Wikisource. The current Georgian Wikisource satisfies both criteria: as far as I can see, it has many more pages than any other language in wikisource.org [1], and they aren't being vandalized.
בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 באוג׳ 2023, 14:12, מאת Nataliia Tymkiv ntymkiv@wikimedia.org:
True, that community activities are important, and I think that it is important to approve all other projects. But Wikisource is a very different project, where the value would be even in its passive existence. When there are text available in that language -- and there are already a few of them -- the chances of a community being drawn to it are bigger. But in any case value for readers is really big. Maybe the rules should be different for Wikisource because of its different nature (no original text, basically)?
Best regards, antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
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On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19 AM Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com wrote:
I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com님이 작성:
I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response
(<
https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
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I agree to the approval.
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2024년 4월 1일 (월) 오전 9:54, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com님이 작성:
Oh yes, definitely!
Regards Satdeep Gill
On 01-Apr-2024, at 4:34 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hello! Many months have passed since August 2023, and the activity now is much higher:
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
Can we approve the Georgian Wikisource now?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ה׳, 10 באוג׳ 2023 ב-0:17 מאת Jan Wohlgemujth < spamfilter@janwonet.de>:
I agree with this, too. Greetings from Depok, Jan
Am 2023-08-04 23:19, schrieb Satdeep Gill:
I agree with the arguments being made in favor of having a different criteria for Wikisource and we should create a separate Wikisource for Georgian as per what Amir says. I think the Georgian community should be able to take ownership of the project and satisfy the criteria mentioned by Amir.
Best
Satdeep
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:55, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I agree with Nicolas and Nataliia. They aren't Langcom members, but their opinion is sensible and well-explained. In Wikisource, stability is not less important than continuous activity.
(In Wikinews, each article is supposed to freeze after a short time, but the activity is supposed to be otherwise continuous, unlike in Wikisource, which may become complete in some languages at some point. Whether it actually works in the current editions of Wikinews is a separate discussion.)
So I'd say that for practical purposes, if there is a lot of content , and the community is good enough at preventing vandalism to it, that's enough for Wikisource. The current Georgian Wikisource satisfies both criteria: as far as I can see, it has many more pages than any other language in wikisource.org [1], and they aren't being vandalized.
בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 באוג׳ 2023, 14:12, מאת Nataliia Tymkiv ntymkiv@wikimedia.org:
True, that community activities are important, and I think that it is important to approve all other projects. But Wikisource is a very different project, where the value would be even in its passive existence. When there are text available in that language -- and there are already a few of them -- the chances of a community being drawn to it are bigger. But in any case value for readers is really big. Maybe the rules should be different for Wikisource because of its different nature (no original text, basically)?
Best regards, antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
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On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19 AM Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com wrote:
I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com님이 작성:
I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response
(<
https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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בתאריך יום ב׳, 1 באפר׳ 2024 ב-2:11 מאת Sotiale Wiki < sotiale.wm@gmail.com>:
I agree to the approval.
Sotiale
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2024년 4월 1일 (월) 오전 9:54, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com님이 작성:
Oh yes, definitely!
Regards Satdeep Gill
On 01-Apr-2024, at 4:34 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hello! Many months have passed since August 2023, and the activity now is much higher:
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
Can we approve the Georgian Wikisource now?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ה׳, 10 באוג׳ 2023 ב-0:17 מאת Jan Wohlgemujth < spamfilter@janwonet.de>:
I agree with this, too. Greetings from Depok, Jan
Am 2023-08-04 23:19, schrieb Satdeep Gill:
I agree with the arguments being made in favor of having a different criteria for Wikisource and we should create a separate Wikisource for Georgian as per what Amir says. I think the Georgian community should be able to take ownership of the project and satisfy the criteria mentioned by Amir.
Best
Satdeep
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:55, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I agree with Nicolas and Nataliia. They aren't Langcom members, but their opinion is sensible and well-explained. In Wikisource, stability is not less important than continuous activity.
(In Wikinews, each article is supposed to freeze after a short time, but the activity is supposed to be otherwise continuous, unlike in Wikisource, which may become complete in some languages at some point. Whether it actually works in the current editions of Wikinews is a separate discussion.)
So I'd say that for practical purposes, if there is a lot of content , and the community is good enough at preventing vandalism to it, that's enough for Wikisource. The current Georgian Wikisource satisfies both criteria: as far as I can see, it has many more pages than any other language in wikisource.org [1], and they aren't being vandalized.
בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 באוג׳ 2023, 14:12, מאת Nataliia Tymkiv ntymkiv@wikimedia.org:
True, that community activities are important, and I think that it is important to approve all other projects. But Wikisource is a very different project, where the value would be even in its passive existence. When there are text available in that language -- and there are already a few of them -- the chances of a community being drawn to it are bigger. But in any case value for readers is really big. Maybe the rules should be different for Wikisource because of its different nature (no original text, basically)?
Best regards, antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
_NOTICE: You may have received this message outside of your normal working hours/days, as I usually can work more as a volunteer during weekend. You should not feel obligated to answer it during your days off. Thank you in advance!_
On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19 AM Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com wrote:
I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is very important, and this has been a consistent criterion. Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users. Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages, which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in a situation that is not very different when looking at recent activities.
I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious tochiprecious2@gmail.com님이 작성:
I totally agree as well. Let's move this forward.
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource? It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual site. And there are waves of activity, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently. Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems like there was no response
(<
https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested...
).
Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il schrieb am Do., 24. März 2022, 20:00:
Hi!
Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently, they were recategorized.
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=so...
I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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