I agree with this, too.
Greetings from Depok,
Jan
Am 2023-08-04 23:19, schrieb Satdeep Gill:
> I agree with the arguments being made in favor of having a different
> criteria for Wikisource and we should create a separate Wikisource for
> Georgian as per what Amir says. I think the Georgian community should
> be able to take ownership of the project and satisfy the criteria
> mentioned by Amir.
>
> Best
>
> Satdeep
>
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:55, Amir E. Aharoni
> <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Nicolas and Nataliia. They aren't Langcom members, but
>> their opinion is sensible and well-explained. In Wikisource,
>> stability is not less important than continuous activity.
>>
>> (In Wikinews, each article is supposed to freeze after a short time,
>> but the activity is supposed to be otherwise continuous, unlike in
>> Wikisource, which may become complete in some languages at some
>> point. Whether it actually works in the current editions of Wikinews
>> is a separate discussion.)
>>
>> So I'd say that for practical purposes, if there is a lot of content
>> , and the community is good enough at preventing vandalism to it,
>> that's enough for Wikisource. The current Georgian Wikisource
>> satisfies both criteria: as far as I can see, it has many more pages
>> than any other language in wikisource.org [1], and they aren't being
>> vandalized.
>>
>> בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 באוג׳ 2023, 14:12, מאת Nataliia
>> Tymkiv <ntymkiv@wikimedia.org>:
>>
>> True, that community activities are important, and I think that it
>> is important to approve all other projects. But Wikisource is a very
>> different project, where the value would be even in its passive
>> existence. When there are text available in that language -- and
>> there are already a few of them -- the chances of a community being
>> drawn to it are bigger. But in any case value for readers is really
>> big. Maybe the rules should be different for Wikisource because of
>> its different nature (no original text, basically)?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
>> Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
>>
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>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19 AM Sotiale Wiki
>> <sotiale.wm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am negative for approval. Whether a community is sustainable is
>> very important, and this has been a consistent criterion.
>> Of course, it may be a separate issue that this takes into account
>> the nature of the Wikisource project, but at least for now, no
>> argument has been made that it should be taken into account.
>>
>> If it's just because there are a lot of pages, we should approve all
>> of them if they've been contributing continuously for a long time
>> from a small number of users. Or even if there are no such users.
>> Betawikiversity has a Vietnamese language project with 3211 pages,
>> which also needs to be approved according to the same criteria. But
>> no one is running this project right now. I don't think it's
>> appropriate for this wikiversity incubating project to have an
>> independent domain. And the Georgian Wikisource also seems to be in
>> a situation that is not very different when looking at recent
>> activities.
>>
>> I haven't found a good reason to change these acceptance criteria or
>> consistency. If this is approved, there must be a convincing
>> explanation for the approval of the project despite questioning the
>> sustainability of the community. Otherwise, we face demands from
>> numerous projects to be individual and to recognize exceptions.
>>
>> Sotiale
>>
>> 2023년 8월 4일 (금) 오후 3:38, Tochi Precious
>> <tochiprecious2@gmail.com>님이 작성:
>>
>> I totally agree as well.
>> Let's move this forward.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 6:36 AM Amir E. Aharoni
>> <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
>>
>> Can we go back to this, please, and approve the Georgian Wikisource?
>> It's huge, probably the largest in the multilingual Wikisource. It's
>> strange to keep a language with so many pages on the multilingual
>> site. And there are waves of activity, too.
>>
>> --
>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע
>> אַהֲרוֹנִי
>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>> “We're living in pieces,
>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>>
>> בתאריך שבת, 26 במרץ 2022 ב-6:42 מאת
>> MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
>>
>> No, it doesn't fulfill the activity requirements currently.
>> Approving makes no sense if there is no community who wants to do
>> the "upkeep" on a separate wiki, when the content is perfectly
>> accessible (without prefixes) on the multilingual Wikisource.
>>
>> I would be interested to hear from the users who contributed this
>> year and what they think, though. Have they already been contacted?
>>
>> I only see that the user who made the most contributions (but is now
>> inactive) has been contacted some years ago by Steven, but it seems
>> like there was no response
>>
> (<https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Giakosh#Question%3A_Are_you_interested_in_trying_to_get_a_separate_subdomain_for_Georgian_Wikisource%3F>).
>>
>> Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> schrieb am Do., 24.
>> März 2022, 20:00:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Can we perhaps approve Georgian Wikisource already? :)
>>
>> It has LOTS of pages in the Multilingual Wikisource, and recently,
>> they were recategorized.
>>
> https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/?title=Georgian&cat=1&wiki=sourceswiki
>>
>> I can't think of a reason to keep it there.
>>
>> --
>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע
>> אַהֲרוֹנִי
>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>> “We're living in pieces,
>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
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