അനൂപ് മാഷിന്റെയും, ജ്യോതിസ് മാഷിന്റെയും ശ്രദ്ധയ്ക്ക്, താഴെ കാണിച്ചിരിക്കുന്ന നവീന് മാഷിന്റെ സന്ദേശം ശ്രദ്ധിച്ചിരുന്നില്ലേ?
--ശിവഹരി ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Naveen Francis naveenpf@gmail.com Date: 2011/12/29 Subject: [Wikiml-l] [WMIN-Members] Wiki Academy @ Cochin University of Science and Technology To: wikiml-l wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia India list < wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Tinu Cherian tinucherian@wikimedia.in, Ashwin Baindur < ashlin@wikimedia.in>
Hi all,
Anilkumar KV http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anilankv and Sivaharihttp://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sivaharihas volunteered to facilitate the WikiAcademy in Cochin University of Science and Technology.
Students has registered their names in the pagehttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/Cochin_University_of_Science_and_Technology%20 .
Ditty Mathew http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dittymathew has helped to organize the event.
Please do spread the word !! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/WikiAcademyCUSAT.pdf
And please help mentoring new wikimedian's registering in the website .
Thanks, naveenpf
Mail below only tells the after-story. All it tells me that you and Anil volunteered to do this. Mail also tells me that this was sent to the project mailing list after things were arranged and students signed up.
We are not here to pick a fight, but This probably is not the most ideal way of doing it when you have a reasonably active community (including yourself) around. Our success factor and strength is our community and if you just ask, community will be able to help in many ways. Please dont feel that I am against running it under chapter's banner, as chapter is free to cover the whole country. I am just worried that chapter still feels no need to involve/ inform the local community in an event that was conducted with chapter's title in Kerala, which probably clocks high in the activity chart among Indic wikipedias.
On the same note, since you and Anil volunteered for this, It also become your responsibility to at least inform the community in advance that such an event is being planned. I would have happily wished luck and some others may have asked if you need a hand with it. I guess that is what we call a community effort.
All I wish is luck and peace. "A football team is not 11 players after a big white ball. It is one team with a goal in mind" -- Me. :)
Thanks,
Jyothis Sent from my iPad
On Jan 7, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Sivahari Nandakumar sivaharivkm@gmail.com wrote:
അനൂപ് മാഷിന്റെയും, ജ്യോതിസ് മാഷിന്റെയും ശ്രദ്ധയ്ക്ക്, താഴെ കാണിച്ചിരിക്കുന്ന നവീന് മാഷിന്റെ സന്ദേശം ശ്രദ്ധിച്ചിരുന്നില്ലേ?
--ശിവഹരി ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Naveen Francis naveenpf@gmail.com Date: 2011/12/29 Subject: [Wikiml-l] [WMIN-Members] Wiki Academy @ Cochin University of Science and Technology To: wikiml-l wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia India list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Tinu Cherian tinucherian@wikimedia.in, Ashwin Baindur ashlin@wikimedia.in
Hi all,
Anilkumar KV and Sivahari has volunteered to facilitate the WikiAcademy in Cochin University of Science and Technology.
Students has registered their names in the page.
Ditty Mathew has helped to organize the event.
Please do spread the word !! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/WikiAcademyCUSAT.pdf
And please help mentoring new wikimedian's registering in the website .
Thanks, naveenpf _______________________________________________ Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
Hi Jythois,
Thanks a lot for the positive feedback. Along with Malayalam SIG members and myself personally will take care to inform the mailing list at the time of request itself.
Thanks, naveenpf
2012/1/7 Jyothis Edathoot jyothis.e@gmail.com
Mail below only tells the after-story. All it tells me that you and Anil volunteered to do this. Mail also tells me that this was sent to the project mailing list after things were arranged and students signed up.
We are not here to pick a fight, but This probably is not the most ideal way of doing it when you have a reasonably active community (including yourself) around. Our success factor and strength is our community and if you just ask, community will be able to help in many ways. Please dont feel that I am against running it under chapter's banner, as chapter is free to cover the whole country. I am just worried that chapter still feels no need to involve/ inform the local community in an event that was conducted with chapter's title in Kerala, which probably clocks high in the activity chart among Indic wikipedias.
On the same note, since you and Anil volunteered for this, It also become your responsibility to at least inform the community in advance that such an event is being planned. I would have happily wished luck and some others may have asked if you need a hand with it. I guess that is what we call a community effort.
All I wish is luck and peace. "A football team is not 11 players after a big white ball. It is one team with a goal in mind" -- Me. :)
Thanks,
Jyothis Sent from my iPad
On Jan 7, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Sivahari Nandakumar sivaharivkm@gmail.com wrote:
അനൂപ് മാഷിന്റെയും, ജ്യോതിസ് മാഷിന്റെയും ശ്രദ്ധയ്ക്ക്, താഴെ കാണിച്ചിരിക്കുന്ന നവീന് മാഷിന്റെ സന്ദേശം ശ്രദ്ധിച്ചിരുന്നില്ലേ?
--ശിവഹരി ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Naveen Francis naveenpf@gmail.com Date: 2011/12/29 Subject: [Wikiml-l] [WMIN-Members] Wiki Academy @ Cochin University of Science and Technology To: wikiml-l wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia India list < wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Tinu Cherian tinucherian@wikimedia.in, Ashwin Baindur < ashlin@wikimedia.in>
Hi all,
Anilkumar KV http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anilankv and Sivaharihttp://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sivaharihas volunteered to facilitate the WikiAcademy in Cochin University of Science and Technology.
Students has registered their names in the pagehttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/Cochin_University_of_Science_and_Technology%20 .
Ditty Mathew http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dittymathew has helped to organize the event.
Please do spread the word !! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/WikiAcademyCUSAT.pdf
And please help mentoring new wikimedian's registering in the website .
Thanks, naveenpf
Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
Hi all, Please don't differentiate and undermine any Wikimedia event as hosted by chapter or community.We ( as I speak for the chapter in this mail) is committed to encourage and help any Wikimedia event in the country, in the best of the efforts. As chapter, we agree to use even use the term co-host , only if the local organizers ask themselves. Since some time, we have consciously decided not to brand any Wikimedia event in the country as a chapter hosted one , except the Wiki-conference, Mumbai. We had do that for Mumbai conference, for the purposes of getting sponsors, opening bank accounts etc.
The chapter get frequent requests from various corners, from conducting Wiki-academies. The first thing we do is to put them in touch with local Wikipedians if there are any. We are making the events as much as inclusive as possible. The recent Wikiacademy @ Jaya Engineering College, Chennai , though the request came to the chapter, we heartily welcomed the participation of the Wikimedia Foundation India Programs officials. Another recent event "Wikimedia Takes Ahmedabad" , primarly done by chapter members ( they are also community members), we never publicized it as organised by the chapter. Even though many newspapers wrote that the event is organised by the Foundation, we didn't mind, as the goal and cause is more important for us. An earlier event at NIT, Calicut [1] was driven by Malayalam Community members like Vishwaprabha, Netha, Manjok & Abhishek. Still some of the Malayalam community members blamed and questioned us for doing "chapter events in Kerala" ! When somebody requests for a Wikiacademy, should we tell them to "get lost" if it is in Kerala ? Another request is received here at Adoor [2] , please tell us what to do ? We would be more than happy if this also is driven by the community in Kerala!
AFAIK, the event at CUSAT ( jan 5, 2012 ) was more finalized a few days before the event on 26 Dec [3] , The chapter secretary Naveen sent the mail to ML mailing list on 29 Dec. I agree that the local organizers & community members (like Ditty and Anil) should have informed the community much earlier, if that was possible.
The chapter itself is driven by veteran community members. It is true that the chapter is now just a smaller subset of the community...The chapter will serve its purpose and becomes more meaningful only if the whole community becomes part of it and takes its reins to drive forward. Like any other community member, we are also unpaid volunteers who sacrifice our precious time for the passion and love of the movement. It is an open membership and non profit society and we strongly encourage and humbly request every active member to join the chapter. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Join_us
Regards Tinu Cherian
Notes [1] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/National_Institute_of_Technology,_Cali...
[2] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/College_Of_Engineering_(IHRD),_Adoor [3] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/index.php?title=Wiki_Academy/Cochin_University_of_S...
2012/1/7 Naveen Francis naveenpf@gmail.com
Hi Jythois,
Thanks a lot for the positive feedback. Along with Malayalam SIG members and myself personally will take care to inform the mailing list at the time of request itself.
Thanks, naveenpf
2012/1/7 Jyothis Edathoot jyothis.e@gmail.com
Mail below only tells the after-story. All it tells me that you and Anil volunteered to do this. Mail also tells me that this was sent to the project mailing list after things were arranged and students signed up.
We are not here to pick a fight, but This probably is not the most ideal way of doing it when you have a reasonably active community (including yourself) around. Our success factor and strength is our community and if you just ask, community will be able to help in many ways. Please dont feel that I am against running it under chapter's banner, as chapter is free to cover the whole country. I am just worried that chapter still feels no need to involve/ inform the local community in an event that was conducted with chapter's title in Kerala, which probably clocks high in the activity chart among Indic wikipedias.
On the same note, since you and Anil volunteered for this, It also become your responsibility to at least inform the community in advance that such an event is being planned. I would have happily wished luck and some others may have asked if you need a hand with it. I guess that is what we call a community effort.
All I wish is luck and peace. "A football team is not 11 players after a big white ball. It is one team with a goal in mind" -- Me. :)
Thanks,
Jyothis Sent from my iPad
On Jan 7, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Sivahari Nandakumar sivaharivkm@gmail.com wrote:
അനൂപ് മാഷിന്റെയും, ജ്യോതിസ് മാഷിന്റെയും ശ്രദ്ധയ്ക്ക്, താഴെ കാണിച്ചിരിക്കുന്ന നവീന് മാഷിന്റെ സന്ദേശം ശ്രദ്ധിച്ചിരുന്നില്ലേ?
--ശിവഹരി ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Naveen Francis naveenpf@gmail.com Date: 2011/12/29 Subject: [Wikiml-l] [WMIN-Members] Wiki Academy @ Cochin University of Science and Technology To: wikiml-l wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia India list < wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Tinu Cherian tinucherian@wikimedia.in, Ashwin Baindur < ashlin@wikimedia.in>
Hi all,
Anilkumar KV http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anilankv and Sivaharihttp://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sivaharihas volunteered to facilitate the WikiAcademy in Cochin University of Science and Technology.
Students has registered their names in the pagehttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/Cochin_University_of_Science_and_Technology%20 .
Ditty Mathew http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dittymathew has helped to organize the event.
Please do spread the word !! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/WikiAcademyCUSAT.pdf
And please help mentoring new wikimedian's registering in the website .
Thanks, naveenpf
Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
TInu,
Again, please dont think that I am picking a fight. Just trying to be constructive with the situation. Please take a step back and think about it. Comments and questions are welcome.
2012/1/7 CherianTinu Abraham tinucherian@gmail.com
Hi all, Please don't differentiate and undermine any Wikimedia event as hosted by chapter or community.
Nope, not doing that. Should not feel that anyone is undermining anyones effort anywhere. even a space adjustment is counted as an edit in a wiki.
We ( as I speak for the chapter in this mail) is committed to encourage and help any Wikimedia event in the country, in the best of the efforts.
Good, it should be that way. It should be much more that events. It has to evolve into bringing projects to life and beyond.
As chapter, we agree to use even use the term co-host , only if the local organizers ask themselves.
Not taking this in a negative sense. I assume you mean to say that chapter does not use the title/brand unless it is required.
Since some time, we have consciously decided not to brand any Wikimedia event in the country as a chapter hosted one , except the Wiki-conference, Mumbai. We had do that for Mumbai conference, for the purposes of getting sponsors, opening bank accounts etc.
Sorry for a stupid question here: Can I see a list of other events chapter helped organizing without using its brand documented somewhere please?
The chapter get frequent requests from various corners, from conducting Wiki-academies.
Good to see that chapter is being recognized and approached by various entities. What are the documented steps in the current chapter's procedure to involve communities when such a request come in? Apart from requests that come in, what are the efforts put in to reach out to various organizations and educational institutions to offer them with the community support?
The first thing we do is to put them in touch with local Wikipedians if there are any.
Good to know! What can we do to ensure that the same coverage goes to the communities that does not have as many active participations around? What can chapter do to build those communities? What can we do to grow the sleeping wikis to life? Can chapter reach out to educational institutions and goverment organizations in Bihar and see if it can vitalize Bhwiki?
We are making the events as much as inclusive as possible. The recent Wikiacademy @ Jaya Engineering College, Chennai , though the request came to the chapter, we heartily welcomed the participation of the Wikimedia Foundation India Programs officials. Another recent event "Wikimedia Takes Ahmedabad" , primarly done by chapter members ( they are also community members), we never publicized it as organised by the chapter. Even though many newspapers wrote that the event is organised by the Foundation, we didn't mind, as the goal and cause is more important for us. An earlier event at NIT, Calicut [1] was driven by Malayalam Community members like Vishwaprabha, Netha, Manjok & Abhishek. Still some of the Malayalam community members blamed and questioned us for doing "chapter events in Kerala" !
Good to know. If not already in place, please work on a standard protocol to inform community, seek participation or support in such events etc. if there are enough local community members available to run the show, chapter can save some money and time of people by just sending a representative (or may be none in a case by case scene) as well. What do you think?
When somebody requests for a Wikiacademy, should we tell them to "get lost" if it is in Kerala ? Another request is received here at Adoor [2] , please tell us what to do ? We would be more than happy if this also is driven by the community in Kerala!
See, This is where the core of the problem lies. Why cant the chapter learn that though it is termed as an independent entity, it is not a separate body, but an umbrella and support organization for the local communities? chapter and communities going in two different directions is fruitless. Chapter cannot force the communities go their way just because chapter has recognition by the foundation. Lets not forget that there were communities and events before chapter arrived in the scene. Especially with the way the Indian chapter was formed, chapter leadership has a long walk ahead to work with communities and prove itself to be worthy of the title, funding and recognition it seeks. Chapter will fail in its mission if it is not supported by the communities it tries to serve, nourish and promote.
Now, for the "get lost" part in your statement, I think you already know the answer to that question. I would choose to frame that statement better (or at least politically correct fashion) if I were in your position. It is not a crime to organize and conduct events anywhere, but kindly try to understand the community sentiments before your fire off statements like this.
But that is just me.
AFAIK, the event at CUSAT ( jan 5, 2012 ) was more finalized a few days before the event on 26 Dec [3] , The chapter secretary Naveen sent the mail to ML mailing list on 29 Dec. I agree that the local organizers & community members (like Ditty and Anil) should have informed the community much earlier, if that was possible.
Why would that not be possible?
The chapter itself is driven by veteran community members.
I dont think anyone questioned this part.
It is true that the chapter is now just a smaller subset of the community...The chapter will serve its purpose and becomes more meaningful only if the whole community becomes part of it and takes its reins to drive forward. Like any other community member, we are also unpaid volunteers who sacrifice our precious time for the passion and love of the movement. It is an open membership and non profit society and we strongly encourage and humbly request every active member to join the chapter. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Join_us
Community members will come and join the chapter in packs when they learn that the chapter is worth their time and money. I dont think by not being a member of chapter prevents anyone from helping chapter move forward or participate in a chapter event with community participation though. If chapter starts putting a boundary that non members cannot participate in project related events, I think that would be a step towards alienating the community from chapter.
Regards Tinu Cherian
Notes [1] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/National_Institute_of_Technology,_Cali...
[2] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/College_Of_Engineering_(IHRD),_Adoor [3] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/index.php?title=Wiki_Academy/Cochin_University_of_S...
Thanks for reading thru. Bottom line is, Lets work together as a community for the growth and progression of projects rather that seeing chapter and community as disjoint sets.
Jyothis.
2012/1/7 Jyothis E jyothis.e@gmail.com
TInu,
Again, please dont think that I am picking a fight. Just trying to be constructive with the situation. Please take a step back and think about it. Comments and questions are welcome.
2012/1/7 CherianTinu Abraham tinucherian@gmail.com
Hi all, Please don't differentiate and undermine any Wikimedia event as hosted by chapter or community.
Nope, not doing that. Should not feel that anyone is undermining anyones effort anywhere. even a space adjustment is counted as an edit in a wiki.
We ( as I speak for the chapter in this mail) is committed to encourage and help any Wikimedia event in the country, in the best of the efforts.
Good, it should be that way. It should be much more that events. It has to evolve into bringing projects to life and beyond.
As chapter, we agree to use even use the term co-host , only if the local organizers ask themselves.
Not taking this in a negative sense. I assume you mean to say that chapter does not use the title/brand unless it is required.
Since some time, we have consciously decided not to brand any Wikimedia event in the country as a chapter hosted one , except the Wiki-conference, Mumbai. We had do that for Mumbai conference, for the purposes of getting sponsors, opening bank accounts etc.
Sorry for a stupid question here: Can I see a list of other events chapter helped organizing without using its brand documented somewhere please?
The chapter get frequent requests from various corners, from conducting Wiki-academies.
Good to see that chapter is being recognized and approached by various entities. What are the documented steps in the current chapter's procedure to involve communities when such a request come in? Apart from requests that come in, what are the efforts put in to reach out to various organizations and educational institutions to offer them with the community support?
The first thing we do is to put them in touch with local Wikipedians if there are any.
Good to know! What can we do to ensure that the same coverage goes to the communities that does not have as many active participations around? What can chapter do to build those communities? What can we do to grow the sleeping wikis to life? Can chapter reach out to educational institutions and goverment organizations in Bihar and see if it can vitalize Bhwiki?
Hi Jythois,
Trying to connect Bh wiki and planning to help them as the time allows. http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E... http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E... http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E... http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E... http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E...
Will convey this message to members of the Chapter too ...
We are making the events as much as inclusive as possible. The recent
Wikiacademy @ Jaya Engineering College, Chennai , though the request came to the chapter, we heartily welcomed the participation of the Wikimedia Foundation India Programs officials. Another recent event "Wikimedia Takes Ahmedabad" , primarly done by chapter members ( they are also community members), we never publicized it as organised by the chapter. Even though many newspapers wrote that the event is organised by the Foundation, we didn't mind, as the goal and cause is more important for us. An earlier event at NIT, Calicut [1] was driven by Malayalam Community members like Vishwaprabha, Netha, Manjok & Abhishek. Still some of the Malayalam community members blamed and questioned us for doing "chapter events in Kerala" !
Good to know. If not already in place, please work on a standard protocol to inform community, seek participation or support in such events etc. if there are enough local community members available to run the show, chapter can save some money and time of people by just sending a representative (or may be none in a case by case scene) as well. What do you think?
When somebody requests for a Wikiacademy, should we tell them to "get lost" if it is in Kerala ? Another request is received here at Adoor [2] , please tell us what to do ? We would be more than happy if this also is driven by the community in Kerala!
See, This is where the core of the problem lies. Why cant the chapter learn that though it is termed as an independent entity, it is not a separate body, but an umbrella and support organization for the local communities? chapter and communities going in two different directions is fruitless. Chapter cannot force the communities go their way just because chapter has recognition by the foundation. Lets not forget that there were communities and events before chapter arrived in the scene. Especially with the way the Indian chapter was formed, chapter leadership has a long walk ahead to work with communities and prove itself to be worthy of the title, funding and recognition it seeks. Chapter will fail in its mission if it is not supported by the communities it tries to serve, nourish and promote.
Now, for the "get lost" part in your statement, I think you already know the answer to that question. I would choose to frame that statement better (or at least politically correct fashion) if I were in your position. It is not a crime to organize and conduct events anywhere, but kindly try to understand the community sentiments before your fire off statements like this.
But that is just me.
AFAIK, the event at CUSAT ( jan 5, 2012 ) was more finalized a few days before the event on 26 Dec [3] , The chapter secretary Naveen sent the mail to ML mailing list on 29 Dec. I agree that the local organizers & community members (like Ditty and Anil) should have informed the community much earlier, if that was possible.
Why would that not be possible?
The chapter itself is driven by veteran community members.
I dont think anyone questioned this part.
It is true that the chapter is now just a smaller subset of the community...The chapter will serve its purpose and becomes more meaningful only if the whole community becomes part of it and takes its reins to drive forward. Like any other community member, we are also unpaid volunteers who sacrifice our precious time for the passion and love of the movement. It is an open membership and non profit society and we strongly encourage and humbly request every active member to join the chapter. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Join_us
Community members will come and join the chapter in packs when they learn that the chapter is worth their time and money. I dont think by not being a member of chapter prevents anyone from helping chapter move forward or participate in a chapter event with community participation though. If chapter starts putting a boundary that non members cannot participate in project related events, I think that would be a step towards alienating the community from chapter.
Regards Tinu Cherian
Notes [1] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/National_Institute_of_Technology,_Cali...
[2] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/College_Of_Engineering_(IHRD),_Adoor [3] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/index.php?title=Wiki_Academy/Cochin_University_of_S...
Thanks for reading thru. Bottom line is, Lets work together as a community for the growth and progression of projects rather that seeing chapter and community as disjoint sets.
Jyothis.
Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
*Gujarati* :- wiki.wikimedia.in/User_talk:Dsvyas
*Assamese *:- http://as.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF_%...
Professor helped to translate the brochure .. Planning to kick of soon http://wiki.wikimedia.in/images/7/7b/WikiAcademy_3.pdf
*Kannada* Wiki Academies will kick off soon :- http://wiki.wikimedia.in/images/0/08/WikiAcademyCoHostingOpportunityBrochure...
Thanks, naveenpf
2012/1/8 Naveen Francis naveenpf@gmail.com
2012/1/7 Jyothis E jyothis.e@gmail.com
TInu,
Again, please dont think that I am picking a fight. Just trying to be constructive with the situation. Please take a step back and think about it. Comments and questions are welcome.
2012/1/7 CherianTinu Abraham tinucherian@gmail.com
Hi all, Please don't differentiate and undermine any Wikimedia event as hosted by chapter or community.
Nope, not doing that. Should not feel that anyone is undermining anyones effort anywhere. even a space adjustment is counted as an edit in a wiki.
We ( as I speak for the chapter in this mail) is committed to encourage and help any Wikimedia event in the country, in the best of the efforts.
Good, it should be that way. It should be much more that events. It has to evolve into bringing projects to life and beyond.
As chapter, we agree to use even use the term co-host , only if the local organizers ask themselves.
Not taking this in a negative sense. I assume you mean to say that chapter does not use the title/brand unless it is required.
Since some time, we have consciously decided not to brand any Wikimedia event in the country as a chapter hosted one , except the Wiki-conference, Mumbai. We had do that for Mumbai conference, for the purposes of getting sponsors, opening bank accounts etc.
Sorry for a stupid question here: Can I see a list of other events chapter helped organizing without using its brand documented somewhere please?
The chapter get frequent requests from various corners, from conducting Wiki-academies.
Good to see that chapter is being recognized and approached by various entities. What are the documented steps in the current chapter's procedure to involve communities when such a request come in? Apart from requests that come in, what are the efforts put in to reach out to various organizations and educational institutions to offer them with the community support?
The first thing we do is to put them in touch with local Wikipedians if there are any.
Good to know! What can we do to ensure that the same coverage goes to the communities that does not have as many active participations around? What can chapter do to build those communities? What can we do to grow the sleeping wikis to life? Can chapter reach out to educational institutions and goverment organizations in Bihar and see if it can vitalize Bhwiki?
Hi Jythois,
Trying to connect Bh wiki and planning to help them as the time allows.
http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E...
http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E...
http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E...
http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E...
http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E...
Will convey this message to members of the Chapter too ...
We are making the events as much as inclusive as possible. The recent
Wikiacademy @ Jaya Engineering College, Chennai , though the request came to the chapter, we heartily welcomed the participation of the Wikimedia Foundation India Programs officials. Another recent event "Wikimedia Takes Ahmedabad" , primarly done by chapter members ( they are also community members), we never publicized it as organised by the chapter. Even though many newspapers wrote that the event is organised by the Foundation, we didn't mind, as the goal and cause is more important for us. An earlier event at NIT, Calicut [1] was driven by Malayalam Community members like Vishwaprabha, Netha, Manjok & Abhishek. Still some of the Malayalam community members blamed and questioned us for doing "chapter events in Kerala" !
Good to know. If not already in place, please work on a standard protocol to inform community, seek participation or support in such events etc. if there are enough local community members available to run the show, chapter can save some money and time of people by just sending a representative (or may be none in a case by case scene) as well. What do you think?
When somebody requests for a Wikiacademy, should we tell them to "get lost" if it is in Kerala ? Another request is received here at Adoor [2] , please tell us what to do ? We would be more than happy if this also is driven by the community in Kerala!
See, This is where the core of the problem lies. Why cant the chapter learn that though it is termed as an independent entity, it is not a separate body, but an umbrella and support organization for the local communities? chapter and communities going in two different directions is fruitless. Chapter cannot force the communities go their way just because chapter has recognition by the foundation. Lets not forget that there were communities and events before chapter arrived in the scene. Especially with the way the Indian chapter was formed, chapter leadership has a long walk ahead to work with communities and prove itself to be worthy of the title, funding and recognition it seeks. Chapter will fail in its mission if it is not supported by the communities it tries to serve, nourish and promote.
Now, for the "get lost" part in your statement, I think you already know the answer to that question. I would choose to frame that statement better (or at least politically correct fashion) if I were in your position. It is not a crime to organize and conduct events anywhere, but kindly try to understand the community sentiments before your fire off statements like this.
But that is just me.
AFAIK, the event at CUSAT ( jan 5, 2012 ) was more finalized a few days before the event on 26 Dec [3] , The chapter secretary Naveen sent the mail to ML mailing list on 29 Dec. I agree that the local organizers & community members (like Ditty and Anil) should have informed the community much earlier, if that was possible.
Why would that not be possible?
The chapter itself is driven by veteran community members.
I dont think anyone questioned this part.
It is true that the chapter is now just a smaller subset of the community...The chapter will serve its purpose and becomes more meaningful only if the whole community becomes part of it and takes its reins to drive forward. Like any other community member, we are also unpaid volunteers who sacrifice our precious time for the passion and love of the movement. It is an open membership and non profit society and we strongly encourage and humbly request every active member to join the chapter. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Join_us
Community members will come and join the chapter in packs when they learn that the chapter is worth their time and money. I dont think by not being a member of chapter prevents anyone from helping chapter move forward or participate in a chapter event with community participation though. If chapter starts putting a boundary that non members cannot participate in project related events, I think that would be a step towards alienating the community from chapter.
Regards Tinu Cherian
Notes [1] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/National_Institute_of_Technology,_Cali...
[2] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/College_Of_Engineering_(IHRD),_Adoor [3] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/index.php?title=Wiki_Academy/Cochin_University_of_S...
Thanks for reading thru. Bottom line is, Lets work together as a community for the growth and progression of projects rather that seeing chapter and community as disjoint sets.
Jyothis.
Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
Jyothis, Thank you for responses. Having known you for quite some time, I am very well aware of your good intentions in writing that mail. I was just taking the opportunity to humbly try to remove some of misconceptions and notions that was unfortunately spread about the chapter.
Please understand that we as a chapter, are no different from the community members. We are a bunch of volunteers who is just trying to setup a non-profit organisation to help and catalyst the Wikimedia Movement in India. We are all community members at large, who have also done considerable efforts in building wiki-communities and spreading awareness about Wikimedia and Wikipedia even in our personal capacities, much before the even the chapter existed.
Unlike full time and paid Wikimedia Foundation staff, we, as chapter members, have our jobs to keep and family to keep in merry and we all do this in our "free times" at the cost and sacrifices of our personal times and professional growths. But we do this by not thinking "How will I benefit from the chapter ?" but instead "How can I do to help the chapter and the movement?" , Isn't it the same reasons we all started contributing to Wikipedia ? Isn't that the same joy and satisfaction of contributing for the sum total of human knowledge , we were attracted to this one of the wonderful projects in the world?
I joined the chapter only in June last year ... After the AGM elections in end of September 2011, i was elected to the chapter board. I stood myself for the elections neither because I wanted to fancy myself as board member nor because I had enough time.. I was going through an insanely difficult phase both in professional and personal lifes. I would have worked just as a normal chapter member. But I was saddened by the lack of interest and participation even for people standing for the vacant board positions and I went to persuade others to stand for the elections. In order to prove the point, i too stood for the elections and now helping the chapter in an official position..
The chapter will never exclude anyone from helping it or the movement...The chapter never has any intentions try to divide the community. The chapter is here to to serve the community. Even when the scholarships for Wikiconference were selected, it was sincerely done based on the merits of the applications and not of any relationships with the chapter. Just be aware that many of us , at the same time, traveled and helped the event from our pockets. You must be also aware that one of largest wiki communities that received those scholarships were from Malayalam Wiki-projects.
The previous night before the Wiki-conference, some of us were at the police stations seeking protections against party protesters who has threatened to stop the conference. We didn't have to do all these, we could just enjoyed our weekend leisurely at our homes. Least, we could have happily edited the wikis without having to bother about bringing together hundreds of Wiki enthusiasts and wikimedians from all around the country. But we believed in a cause.. we were committed to a mission, to help it as much as we can.
With our limited set of active volunteers, we are working with other language Wiki-communities too.
As I stated earlier, we have a "chicken and egg problem" : "*The community will join the chapter only if the chapter is strong ... The chapter can grow strong only if the community actively joins the chapter*".
How will the chapter grow, unless each one of the active Wikipedians come in ? The chapter needs your support, encouragement and participation. We are a part of you, the community...
We need you !
Regards Tinu Cherian
2012/1/7 Jyothis E jyothis.e@gmail.com
TInu,
Again, please dont think that I am picking a fight. Just trying to be constructive with the situation. Please take a step back and think about it. Comments and questions are welcome.
2012/1/7 CherianTinu Abraham tinucherian@gmail.com
Hi all, Please don't differentiate and undermine any Wikimedia event as hosted by chapter or community.
Nope, not doing that. Should not feel that anyone is undermining anyones effort anywhere. even a space adjustment is counted as an edit in a wiki.
We ( as I speak for the chapter in this mail) is committed to encourage and help any Wikimedia event in the country, in the best of the efforts.
Good, it should be that way. It should be much more that events. It has to evolve into bringing projects to life and beyond.
As chapter, we agree to use even use the term co-host , only if the local organizers ask themselves.
Not taking this in a negative sense. I assume you mean to say that chapter does not use the title/brand unless it is required.
Since some time, we have consciously decided not to brand any Wikimedia event in the country as a chapter hosted one , except the Wiki-conference, Mumbai. We had do that for Mumbai conference, for the purposes of getting sponsors, opening bank accounts etc.
Sorry for a stupid question here: Can I see a list of other events chapter helped organizing without using its brand documented somewhere please?
The chapter get frequent requests from various corners, from conducting Wiki-academies.
Good to see that chapter is being recognized and approached by various entities. What are the documented steps in the current chapter's procedure to involve communities when such a request come in? Apart from requests that come in, what are the efforts put in to reach out to various organizations and educational institutions to offer them with the community support?
The first thing we do is to put them in touch with local Wikipedians if there are any.
Good to know! What can we do to ensure that the same coverage goes to the communities that does not have as many active participations around? What can chapter do to build those communities? What can we do to grow the sleeping wikis to life? Can chapter reach out to educational institutions and goverment organizations in Bihar and see if it can vitalize Bhwiki?
We are making the events as much as inclusive as possible. The recent Wikiacademy @ Jaya Engineering College, Chennai , though the request came to the chapter, we heartily welcomed the participation of the Wikimedia Foundation India Programs officials. Another recent event "Wikimedia Takes Ahmedabad" , primarly done by chapter members ( they are also community members), we never publicized it as organised by the chapter. Even though many newspapers wrote that the event is organised by the Foundation, we didn't mind, as the goal and cause is more important for us. An earlier event at NIT, Calicut [1] was driven by Malayalam Community members like Vishwaprabha, Netha, Manjok & Abhishek. Still some of the Malayalam community members blamed and questioned us for doing "chapter events in Kerala" !
Good to know. If not already in place, please work on a standard protocol to inform community, seek participation or support in such events etc. if there are enough local community members available to run the show, chapter can save some money and time of people by just sending a representative (or may be none in a case by case scene) as well. What do you think?
When somebody requests for a Wikiacademy, should we tell them to "get lost" if it is in Kerala ? Another request is received here at Adoor [2] , please tell us what to do ? We would be more than happy if this also is driven by the community in Kerala!
See, This is where the core of the problem lies. Why cant the chapter learn that though it is termed as an independent entity, it is not a separate body, but an umbrella and support organization for the local communities? chapter and communities going in two different directions is fruitless. Chapter cannot force the communities go their way just because chapter has recognition by the foundation. Lets not forget that there were communities and events before chapter arrived in the scene. Especially with the way the Indian chapter was formed, chapter leadership has a long walk ahead to work with communities and prove itself to be worthy of the title, funding and recognition it seeks. Chapter will fail in its mission if it is not supported by the communities it tries to serve, nourish and promote.
Now, for the "get lost" part in your statement, I think you already know the answer to that question. I would choose to frame that statement better (or at least politically correct fashion) if I were in your position. It is not a crime to organize and conduct events anywhere, but kindly try to understand the community sentiments before your fire off statements like this.
But that is just me.
AFAIK, the event at CUSAT ( jan 5, 2012 ) was more finalized a few days before the event on 26 Dec [3] , The chapter secretary Naveen sent the mail to ML mailing list on 29 Dec. I agree that the local organizers & community members (like Ditty and Anil) should have informed the community much earlier, if that was possible.
Why would that not be possible?
The chapter itself is driven by veteran community members.
I dont think anyone questioned this part.
It is true that the chapter is now just a smaller subset of the community...The chapter will serve its purpose and becomes more meaningful only if the whole community becomes part of it and takes its reins to drive forward. Like any other community member, we are also unpaid volunteers who sacrifice our precious time for the passion and love of the movement. It is an open membership and non profit society and we strongly encourage and humbly request every active member to join the chapter. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Join_us
Community members will come and join the chapter in packs when they learn that the chapter is worth their time and money. I dont think by not being a member of chapter prevents anyone from helping chapter move forward or participate in a chapter event with community participation though. If chapter starts putting a boundary that non members cannot participate in project related events, I think that would be a step towards alienating the community from chapter.
Regards Tinu Cherian
Notes [1] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/National_Institute_of_Technology,_Cali...
[2] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/College_Of_Engineering_(IHRD),_Adoor [3] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/index.php?title=Wiki_Academy/Cochin_University_of_S...
Thanks for reading thru. Bottom line is, Lets work together as a community for the growth and progression of projects rather that seeing chapter and community as disjoint sets.
Jyothis.
Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
I absolutely second jyothis views on this. This point I have already to Chapter while organizing the academies to the active ml community. Why there is no focus on the community which are not active is one thing which I dont understand when chapter organising such academies.
This also looks like creating a conflict in the active community by involving such different tracks of outreach.
User:Rameshng
2012/1/7 Jyothis Edathoot jyothis.e@gmail.com
Mail below only tells the after-story. All it tells me that you and Anil volunteered to do this. Mail also tells me that this was sent to the project mailing list after things were arranged and students signed up.
We are not here to pick a fight, but This probably is not the most ideal way of doing it when you have a reasonably active community (including yourself) around. Our success factor and strength is our community and if you just ask, community will be able to help in many ways. Please dont feel that I am against running it under chapter's banner, as chapter is free to cover the whole country. I am just worried that chapter still feels no need to involve/ inform the local community in an event that was conducted with chapter's title in Kerala, which probably clocks high in the activity chart among Indic wikipedias.
On the same note, since you and Anil volunteered for this, It also become your responsibility to at least inform the community in advance that such an event is being planned. I would have happily wished luck and some others may have asked if you need a hand with it. I guess that is what we call a community effort.
All I wish is luck and peace. "A football team is not 11 players after a big white ball. It is one team with a goal in mind" -- Me. :)
Thanks,
Jyothis Sent from my iPad
On Jan 7, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Sivahari Nandakumar sivaharivkm@gmail.com wrote:
അനൂപ് മാഷിന്റെയും, ജ്യോതിസ് മാഷിന്റെയും ശ്രദ്ധയ്ക്ക്, താഴെ കാണിച്ചിരിക്കുന്ന നവീന് മാഷിന്റെ സന്ദേശം ശ്രദ്ധിച്ചിരുന്നില്ലേ?
--ശിവഹരി ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Naveen Francis naveenpf@gmail.com Date: 2011/12/29 Subject: [Wikiml-l] [WMIN-Members] Wiki Academy @ Cochin University of Science and Technology To: wikiml-l wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia India list < wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Tinu Cherian tinucherian@wikimedia.in, Ashwin Baindur < ashlin@wikimedia.in>
Hi all,
Anilkumar KV http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anilankv and Sivaharihttp://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sivaharihas volunteered to facilitate the WikiAcademy in Cochin University of Science and Technology.
Students has registered their names in the pagehttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/Cochin_University_of_Science_and_Technology%20 .
Ditty Mathew http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dittymathew has helped to organize the event.
Please do spread the word !! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/WikiAcademyCUSAT.pdf
And please help mentoring new wikimedian's registering in the website .
Thanks, naveenpf
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+1 ജ്യോതിസ് & രമേശ്.
മലയാളത്തെ സംബന്ധിച്ചെടുത്തോളം പല ആക്റ്റീവ് എഡിറ്റേഴ്സും ചാപ്റ്ററിൽ മെമ്പറല്ല. അതിനുള്ള പ്രധാന കാരണം ചാപ്റ്റർ എന്ന ചട്ടക്കൂടിൽ ഒതുങ്ങാതെ പ്രവർത്തിക്കുന്നതിനുള്ള അവരുടെ താല്പര്യമാകണം. അതല്ലെങ്കിൽ അവർ ഇങ്ങനെയൊരു ചാപ്റ്ററിനെക്കുറിച്ച് അറിയാത്തതാകണം. ( ചില ഫോർവേഡുകളല്ലാതെ ചാപ്റ്ററിലേക്ക് ഔദ്യോഗികമായി ക്ഷണിച്ചു കൊണ്ടുള്ള ഒരു മെയിൽ പോലും ഈ മെയിലിങ്ങ് ലിസ്റ്റിലേക്ക് ഇതുവരെ വന്നിട്ടില്ലെന്ന് കൂടി ഈ അവസരത്തിൽ എഴുതട്ടെ. ) ഇതൊന്നുമല്ലെങ്കിൽ ഒരു ചാപ്റ്റർ ചെയ്യുന്നതിനേക്കാൾ എത്രയോ കാര്യങ്ങൾ ഫലപ്രദമായും ചിട്ടയായും മലയാളം കമ്യൂണിറ്റി ചെയ്യുന്ന അവസരത്തിൽ എന്തിനാണു ചാപ്റ്റർ എന്നു കരുതിയിട്ടാകണം. (പല വിക്കിപീഡിയരോടും സ്വകാര്യമായി സംസാരിച്ചതിന്റെ അടിസ്ഥാനത്തിൽ എഴുതിയതാണ് മുകളിലെ ഖണ്ഡിക)
ഇന്ന് മലയാളത്തിലാണ് ഇന്ത്യയിൽ ഏറ്റവും ആക്റ്റീവായ വിക്കിപീഡിയ കമ്യൂണിറ്റി ഉള്ളത്. അങ്ങനെയുള്ള ഒരു കമ്യൂണിറ്റിയെ അറിയിക്കാതെ കേരളത്തിൽ ഇത്തരം പഠനശിബിരങ്ങൾ സംഘടിപ്പിക്കുന്നത് ആശയക്കുഴപ്പമുണ്ടാക്കാനും അതുവഴി കമ്യൂണിറ്റിയെ തന്നെ തളർത്താനുമുള്ള ശ്രമങ്ങളുമാണെന്ന് ഞാൻ കരുതുന്നു. ഈ ശ്രമങ്ങൾ എന്തായാലും ചാപ്റ്ററിനു ഭൂഷണമല്ല.
അനൂപ്
2012/1/7 Ramesh N G rameshng@gmail.com
I absolutely second jyothis views on this. This point I have already to Chapter while organizing the academies to the active ml community. Why there is no focus on the community which are not active is one thing which I dont understand when chapter organising such academies.
This also looks like creating a conflict in the active community by involving such different tracks of outreach.
User:Rameshng
2012/1/7 Jyothis Edathoot jyothis.e@gmail.com
Mail below only tells the after-story. All it tells me that you and Anil volunteered to do this. Mail also tells me that this was sent to the project mailing list after things were arranged and students signed up.
We are not here to pick a fight, but This probably is not the most ideal way of doing it when you have a reasonably active community (including yourself) around. Our success factor and strength is our community and if you just ask, community will be able to help in many ways. Please dont feel that I am against running it under chapter's banner, as chapter is free to cover the whole country. I am just worried that chapter still feels no need to involve/ inform the local community in an event that was conducted with chapter's title in Kerala, which probably clocks high in the activity chart among Indic wikipedias.
On the same note, since you and Anil volunteered for this, It also become your responsibility to at least inform the community in advance that such an event is being planned. I would have happily wished luck and some others may have asked if you need a hand with it. I guess that is what we call a community effort.
All I wish is luck and peace. "A football team is not 11 players after a big white ball. It is one team with a goal in mind" -- Me. :)
Thanks,
Jyothis Sent from my iPad
On Jan 7, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Sivahari Nandakumar sivaharivkm@gmail.com wrote:
അനൂപ് മാഷിന്റെയും, ജ്യോതിസ് മാഷിന്റെയും ശ്രദ്ധയ്ക്ക്, താഴെ കാണിച്ചിരിക്കുന്ന നവീന് മാഷിന്റെ സന്ദേശം ശ്രദ്ധിച്ചിരുന്നില്ലേ?
--ശിവഹരി ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Naveen Francis naveenpf@gmail.com Date: 2011/12/29 Subject: [Wikiml-l] [WMIN-Members] Wiki Academy @ Cochin University of Science and Technology To: wikiml-l wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia India list < wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Tinu Cherian tinucherian@wikimedia.in, Ashwin Baindur < ashlin@wikimedia.in>
Hi all,
Anilkumar KV http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anilankv and Sivaharihttp://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sivaharihas volunteered to facilitate the WikiAcademy in Cochin University of Science and Technology.
Students has registered their names in the pagehttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/Cochin_University_of_Science_and_Technology%20 .
Ditty Mathew http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dittymathew has helped to organize the event.
Please do spread the word !! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/WikiAcademyCUSAT.pdf
And please help mentoring new wikimedian's registering in the website .
Thanks, naveenpf
Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: Wikiml-l@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l
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