hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes. this is cheating.
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim nawabhakimdr@ymail.comwrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes. this is cheating.
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Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think? Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a tremendous amount to you guys.Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally);http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim,to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim nawabhakimdr@ymail.com wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes. this is cheating.
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It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer < rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a tremendous amount to you guys. Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim nawabhakimdr@ymail.comwrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes. this is cheating.
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On 11 February 2013 22:54, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS.
I was unaware of this. Where is this from, Abhishek?
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://www.akshara.org.in/
Abhishek,
I'm not sure where you are getting this information from. Please get your facts straight and stop speaking for the chapter. If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question instead of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send out clarifications.
In case you are curious about the state of our finances, please refer to our annual report which is linked from the main page of our website ( wiki.wikimedia.in) in compliance with the requirements of the Wikimedia Foundation and Karnataka law.
Regards, Karthik Nadar, Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS .
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer < rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a tremendous amount to you guys. Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim nawabhakimdr@ymail.comwrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes. this is cheating.
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Rightly said Mr. Secretary. Abhishek, areyou a chapteer Member? if,justify itwith some work. Else, Stop speakingfor the CHAPTER. Re
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:44:25 +0530 From: karthikndr@wikimedia.in To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Abhishek, I'm not sure where you are getting this information from. Please get your facts straight and stop speaking for the chapter. If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question instead of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send out clarifications.
In case you are curious about the state of our finances, please refer to our annual report which is linked from the main page of our website (wiki.wikimedia.in) in compliance with the requirements of the Wikimedia Foundation and Karnataka law.
Regards, Karthik Nadar,Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer rednosedrudy@hotmail.com wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a tremendous amount to you guys.Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally);
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim,to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim nawabhakimdr@ymail.com wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes. this is cheating.
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Abhishek, how dramatic of you!?!? I thought you were a Wikipedian but evidwntly you have missed out on an important concept called Verifiability. Please substantiate your claim with a proper source. Also the Annual General Meeting,aka AGM was last held in September 2012 which would imply that the next one would be a year later. Where does flight tickets for something NINE WHOLE MONTHS AWAY come from?
From: i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:54:41 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer rednosedrudy@hotmail.com wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a tremendous amount to you guys.Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally);
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim,to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim nawabhakimdr@ymail.com wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes. this is cheating.
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I would rather give the last word to Theo. He is closely involved with the India chapter, he is the figurehead of the Indian community, he ran for many kind of board positions everywhere and ALMOST WON but totally lost and he has worked with the Wiki Foundation for YEARS - although mostly unpaid apart from that one well paid job with them in the beautiful city of San Fransico for a few months, and he did tell me he was in the process of negotiating something for himself in India (or was it Brazil? or both?) when I last checked. To be fair, I don't think anything has worked out for him, dunno why.
Theo where do all these flight tickets come from? Why is the chapter sitting on so much money? How is CIS doing BAD STUFF here? Who is good and who is BAD? Etc. Very difficult to level baseless accusations and create noise without clear direction. Thank you.
________________________________ From: Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer rednosedrudy@hotmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Abhishek, how dramatic of you!?!? I thought you were a Wikipedian but evidwntly you have missed out on an important concept called Verifiability. Please substantiate your claim with a proper source. Also the Annual General Meeting,aka AGM was last held in September 2012 which would imply that the next one would be a year later. Where does flight tickets for something NINE WHOLE MONTHS AWAY come from?
________________________________ From: i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:54:41 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards,
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer rednosedrudy@hotmail.com wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a tremendous amount to you guys. Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim nawabhakimdr@ymail.com wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes. this is cheating.
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Dear Abhishek,
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
Writing something baseless is completely unfair. That too you are hinting as cheating which is absolutely wrong and offending.
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
I don't know from where you have these numbers. I assume if you know these numbers, you will be knowing the expenditures as well as provisions for some future events/activities. If you give that information too, then it will be a fair statement.
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have got. Looks like it is time you dump your info-providers (खबरी लोग ) :-)
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for support.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
The way you expect clarity and transparency from chapter, chapter also seeks the same thing from you. Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. All the chapter reports are open. However, there could be some regulatory limitations/restrictions for the same. Compared to an informal club or group activities, chapter has far more regulatory compliances. Within that, we do our best to help various events and activities.
Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community. All these activities are also done voluntarily- just like community does. If community shows trust and confidence in the chapter, it will become strong and in turn community becomes stronger.
Regards, -Sudhanwa
[snip]
Well said Me. President. Good job!
From: sudhanwa.com@gmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:23:41 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Dear Abhishek,
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
Writing something baseless is completely unfair. That too you are hinting as cheating which is absolutely wrong and offending.
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
I don't know from where you have these numbers. I assume if you know these numbers, you will be knowing the expenditures as well as provisions for some future events/activities. If you give that information too, then it will be a fair statement.
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have got. Looks like it is time you dump your info-providers (खबरी लोग ) :-)
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for support.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
The way you expect clarity and transparency from chapter, chapter also seeks the same thing from you. Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. All the chapter reports are open. However, there could be some regulatory limitations/restrictions for the same. Compared to an informal club or group activities, chapter has far more regulatory compliances. Within that, we do our best to help various events and activities.
Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community. All these activities are also done voluntarily- just like community does. If community shows trust and confidence in the chapter, it will become strong and in turn community becomes stronger.
Regards, -Sudhanwa
[snip]
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Humpf. Theo > President.
________________________________ From: Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer rednosedrudy@hotmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Well said Me. President. Good job!
From: sudhanwa.com@gmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:23:41 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Dear Abhishek,
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
Writing something baseless is completely unfair. That too you are hinting as cheating which is absolutely wrong and offending.
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
I don't know from where you have these numbers. I assume if you know these numbers, you will be knowing the expenditures as well as provisions for some future events/activities. If you give that information too, then it will be a fair statement.
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have got. Looks like it is time you dump your info-providers (खबरी लोग ) :-)
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for support.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
The way you expect clarity and transparency from chapter, chapter also seeks the same thing from you. Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. All the chapter reports are open. However, there could be some regulatory limitations/restrictions for the same. Compared to an informal club or group activities, chapter has far more regulatory compliances. Within that, we do our best to help various events and activities.
Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community. All these activities are also done voluntarily- just like community does. If community shows trust and confidence in the chapter, it will become strong and in turn community becomes stronger.
Regards, -Sudhanwa
[snip]
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That is enough, I guess.
Please take a breath, and rethink why you are on this mailing list of the "Wikimedia India Community".
If you don't want to be part of the community, please unsubscribe. If your intention is to offend others, please unsubscribe, because you are not being helpful. If your intention is to discuss, and not act, please leave; you are not being helpful. Put your feet where your mouth is so to speak.
It saves you and the subscribers a lot of headaches.
Cheers!
Siebrand
Dear Wikipedians,
In my previous mail in reply to Abhishek, I had requested you to send in your intimations/proposals for various activities that you want to do in the next year.
We will be finalising the 2013-14 budget in the upcoming EC meeting this weekend.
Please send your event information with tentative budgets within 2-3 days to the EC so that we can incorporate them in the Chapter budgets.
Thanks and regards -Sudhanwa Jogalekar
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa.com@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Abhishek,
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
Writing something baseless is completely unfair. That too you are hinting as cheating which is absolutely wrong and offending.
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
I don't know from where you have these numbers. I assume if you know these numbers, you will be knowing the expenditures as well as provisions for some future events/activities. If you give that information too, then it will be a fair statement.
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have got. Looks like it is time you dump your info-providers (खबरी लोग ) :-)
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for support.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
The way you expect clarity and transparency from chapter, chapter also seeks the same thing from you. Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. All the chapter reports are open. However, there could be some regulatory limitations/restrictions for the same. Compared to an informal club or group activities, chapter has far more regulatory compliances. Within that, we do our best to help various events and activities.
Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community. All these activities are also done voluntarily- just like community does. If community shows trust and confidence in the chapter, it will become strong and in turn community becomes stronger.
Regards, -Sudhanwa
[snip]
On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?
I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?
This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapter.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf)
Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have no financial inrerest with either of them personally.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim nawabhakimdr@ymail.com
wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes.
this is cheating.
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I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong???
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsvyas@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?
I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?
This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapter.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf)
Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have no financial inrerest with either of them personally.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
nawabhakimdr@ymail.com> wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes.
this is cheating.
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Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong???
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsvyas@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?
I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?
This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapter.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf)
Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have no financial inrerest with either of them personally.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
nawabhakimdr@ymail.com> wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes.
this is cheating.
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I am talking about upcoming Board Meeting, Correct me if someone else is funding Travel expenses of Chapter. Its CIS right?
Point is - If expenses are well known like this, other organizations can chip in to support Chapter. And 'in-kind' donations will be helpful.
Its good to see CIS is helping Chapter, and why Chapter wants to keep it as secret? At same time there are dedicated efforts in all mails to keep everyone in dark about Travel support, is there any specific reason behind it??
Regards,
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong???
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsvyas@gmail.com
wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?
I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience,
I
know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years
ago).
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?
This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of
chapter.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf)
Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have
no
financial inrerest with either of them personally.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave
people
like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant
to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
nawabhakimdr@ymail.com> wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes.
this is cheating.
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i am not talk about 1.5 lakh. i am talk about 2. lak that noobur talk about in old mail.
________________________________ From: Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
I am talking about upcoming Board Meeting, Correct me if someone else is funding Travel expenses of Chapter. Its CIS right?
Point is - If expenses are well known like this, other organizations can chip in to support Chapter. And 'in-kind' donations will be helpful.
Its good to see CIS is helping Chapter, and why Chapter wants to keep it as secret? At same time there are dedicated efforts in all mails to keep everyone in dark about Travel support, is there any specific reason behind it??
Regards,
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in wrote:
Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary
stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong???
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsvyas@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?
I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?
This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapter.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf)
Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have no financial inrerest with either of them personally.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
nawabhakimdr@ymail.com> wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes.
this is cheating.
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I smell a troll.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim nawabhakimdr@ymail.comwrote:
i am not talk about 1.5 lakh. i am talk about 2. lak that noobur talk about in old mail.
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*Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:15 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
I am talking about upcoming Board Meeting, Correct me if someone else is funding Travel expenses of Chapter. Its CIS right?
Point is - If expenses are well known like this, other organizations can chip in to support Chapter. And 'in-kind' donations will be helpful.
Its good to see CIS is helping Chapter, and why Chapter wants to keep it as secret? At same time there are dedicated efforts in all mails to keep everyone in dark about Travel support, is there any specific reason behind it??
Regards,
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong???
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsvyas@gmail.com
wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?
I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience,
I
know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years
ago).
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?
This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of
chapter.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf)
Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have
no
financial inrerest with either of them personally.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave
people
like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant
to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
nawabhakimdr@ymail.com> wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes.
this is cheating.
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*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed expenses and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can be covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared to cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-February/009257.h...
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? *
*I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?*
*This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte* r.
*This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte*r. - I am talking about other 'fixed' expenses for possible activities which can be zeroed down. Again refer above 'in-kind' link on how to zero it down.
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on thi*s.
Your thoughts/assumption is correct, on which part you want elaboration? And its Board Meeting flight tickets expenses.
*@Srikanth : *
*Substantiate your claim that CIS
is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBER*S,
Read above replies and following link.
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, Member No: INDI-31, Wikimedia India Chapter, http://members.wikimedia.in/User:AbhiSuryawanshi
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong???
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsvyas@gmail.com
wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?
I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience,
I
know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years
ago).
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?
This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of
chapter.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf)
Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have
no
financial inrerest with either of them personally.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave
people
like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant
to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
nawabhakimdr@ymail.com> wrote:
hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes.
this is cheating.
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Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed expenses and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can be covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared to cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-February/009257.h...
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? *
*I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?*
*This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte* r.
*This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte*r.
- I am talking about other 'fixed' expenses for possible activities which
can be zeroed down. Again refer above 'in-kind' link on how to zero it down.
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on thi*s.
Your thoughts/assumption is correct, on which part you want elaboration? And its Board Meeting flight tickets expenses.
*@Srikanth : *
*Substantiate your claim that CIS
is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBER*S,
Read above replies and following link.
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, Member No: INDI-31, Wikimedia India Chapter, http://members.wikimedia.in/User:AbhiSuryawanshi
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong???
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsvyas@gmail.com
wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?
I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience,
I
know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years
ago).
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?
This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of
chapter.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf)
Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have
no
financial inrerest with either of them personally.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave
people
like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
Will spread the word on donations though.
For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant
to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
I hope this clears it out.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
nawabhakimdr@ymail.com> wrote:
> > hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh > ruppes.
this is cheating.
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Dear Srikanth,
I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
*P.S* : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are
covered
by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can
be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared
to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see :
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-February/009257.h...
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? *
*I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?*
*This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of
chapte*
r.
*This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of
chapte*r.
- I am talking about other 'fixed' expenses for possible activities which
can be zeroed down. Again refer above 'in-kind' link on how to zero it down.
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on thi*s.
Your thoughts/assumption is correct, on which part you want elaboration? And its Board Meeting flight tickets expenses.
*@Srikanth : *
*Substantiate your claim that CIS
is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBER*S,
Read above replies and following link.
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, Member No: INDI-31, Wikimedia India Chapter, http://members.wikimedia.in/User:AbhiSuryawanshi
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong???
-Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsvyas@gmail.com
wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+
Indian
Rupees?
I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience,
I
know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things
are
not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years
ago).
2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on
this.
I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide
a
figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used?
This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of
chapter.
Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf)
Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I
have
no
financial inrerest with either of them personally.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin > to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave
people
like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
> > Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
> Will spread the word on donations though. > > > For others, please donate (liberally); > http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate > > ________________________________ > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 > From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in > To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate > > > Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, > to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a
grant
to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi.
> > The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
> > I hope this clears it out. > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
nawabhakimdr@ymail.com> wrote:
>> >> hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh >> ruppes.
this is cheating.
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Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the
same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel for
Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are
covered
by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can
be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared
to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
Guys,
I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion. Please continue this conversation privately, also - wanted to check on couple of points:
(1) Do we have a policy of permitted issues to be discussed over the all India Mailing list - if not, there is a necessity to work on it. (2) Disclosures and grievance handling procedures should be shared with each member upon joining and the mechanism should be followed.
Again, pointing fingers or rephrasing the issue itself is not the solution - we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer.
- abhijith
________________________________ From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed expenses and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can be covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared to cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
*I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion.
India Community deserves to know answers. At one end Chapter is criticizing CIS continuously on other hand its accepting financial help from them and I am wondering whats wrong in acknowledging it! If someone is helping then its ethical and normal to acknowledge it?
Its might be beginning of new era - where Chapter is focusing on outreach and activities events and CIS taking care of financial needs. Its good to see its already started..
*we will have to move beyond the question to get the answe*r.
Chapter should be ready to share answers.
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Abhijith Jayanthi < abhijithsince1986@yahoo.com> wrote:
Guys,
I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion. Please continue this conversation privately, also - wanted to check on couple of points:
(1) Do we have a policy of permitted issues to be discussed over the all India Mailing list - if not, there is a necessity to work on it. (2) Disclosures and grievance handling procedures should be shared with each member upon joining and the mechanism should be followed.
Again, pointing fingers or rephrasing the issue itself is not the solution
we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer.
abhijith
*From:* Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
*To:* Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the
same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel
for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com
wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are
covered
by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to
send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered
by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which
can be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
experience,
I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared
to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it
might
need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter todayhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations
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Abhishek, the Chapter hasn't criticised CIS publicly. If you are refering to my mail addressed to Mr. Vishnu, it came from my personal email address in my capacity as a community member. Thank you for reminding me, I shall add that disclaimer to my signature from now on. Regards,
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
*I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion.
India Community deserves to know answers. At one end Chapter is criticizing CIS continuously on other hand its accepting financial help from them and I am wondering whats wrong in acknowledging it! If someone is helping then its ethical and normal to acknowledge it?
Its might be beginning of new era - where Chapter is focusing on outreach and activities events and CIS taking care of financial needs. Its good to see its already started..
*we will have to move beyond the question to get the answe*r.
Chapter should be ready to share answers.
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Abhijith Jayanthi < abhijithsince1986@yahoo.com> wrote:
Guys,
I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion. Please continue this conversation privately, also - wanted to check on couple of points:
(1) Do we have a policy of permitted issues to be discussed over the all India Mailing list - if not, there is a necessity to work on it. (2) Disclosures and grievance handling procedures should be shared with each member upon joining and the mechanism should be followed.
Again, pointing fingers or rephrasing the issue itself is not the solution
we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer.
abhijith
*From:* Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
*To:* Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the
same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel
for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com
wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are
covered
by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to
send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered
by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which
can be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
experience,
I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared
to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it
might
need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter todayhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations
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Dear Sunil,
Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel expenses?
And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support movement in India. Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support as per request.
As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so your reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities irrespective of criticism.
Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :)
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
*From:* Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
*To:* Wikimedia India Community list < wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at
the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel
for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com
wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are
covered
by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to
send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered
by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct
if
wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which
can be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+
Indian
Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
experience,
I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as
compared to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it
might
need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of
expenses
already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter todayhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations
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Abhishek,
I have been on-board several Wiki mailing lists and closed emailing groups for a few years now, but this is the first time I have been piqued to respond to such a 'discussion'. Your efforts to prove what you are trying to prove are outstanding. I won't be surprised if Doctor Hakim (I appreciate the wordplay) is a troll or a sock puppet who has planted this thread to get the discussion where it is.
Almost every community member I have interacted with or met in person over the years has gone out of pocket for volunteer activities. I have known of community members refusing grants while going out of pocket, and I respect them all the more for that. Some of us have spent astounding amounts of money this way. As I see it, the Chapter has committed to transparency and accountability; nothing is wrong with it having some money of its own. When you become a member of the Chapter again, maybe you can help bring about as much transparency as you'd like.
Regards, Rohini
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sunil,
Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel expenses?
And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support movement in India. Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support as per request.
As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so your reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities irrespective of criticism.
Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :)
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
*From:* Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
*To:* Wikimedia India Community list < wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at
the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel
for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com
wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are
covered
by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing
list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to
send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are
covered by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct
if
wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also
goes
to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which
can be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed.
So
Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+
Indian
Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
experience,
I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things
are
not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer
exact
fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as
compared to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it
might
need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of
expenses
already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter todayhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations
Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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Dear Rohini,
*I have been on-board several Wiki mailing lists and closed emailing
groups for a few years now,*
Congrats for being 'on-board' of several Wiki-mailing lists. I do appreciate kind of energy and efforts needed to to be on-board/to join Wiki Mailing List. Hats off to you for managing this brilliantly. It must be difficult job to remain silent simultaneously on several mailing lists at same time.
*but this is the first time I have been piqued to respond to such a
'discussion'. *
I have special respect for personalities like you who make special appearance on mailing lists to protect views of friends/colleagues, that too by keeping aside neutral point of view. This is rare quality, please preserve it.
Great to know apart from putting up effort for being on(-board) mailing list - you also reply back.
*As I see it, the Chapter has committed to transparency and accountability;
nothing is wrong with it having some money of its own.
More than happy to know you also agree with me. I have already encouraged in-kind donation collection.
Most importantly - Its people like you who define mailing lists by special cameo appearance's. You expertise in maintaining silence (on several mailing lists!) and speaking up when needed are commendable.
Keep up great work!
Best Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Rohini Lakshané <rohini.lakshane@gmail.com
wrote:
Abhishek,
I have been on-board several Wiki mailing lists and closed emailing groups for a few years now, but this is the first time I have been piqued to respond to such a 'discussion'. Your efforts to prove what you are trying to prove are outstanding. I won't be surprised if Doctor Hakim (I appreciate the wordplay) is a troll or a sock puppet who has planted this thread to get the discussion where it is.
Almost every community member I have interacted with or met in person over the years has gone out of pocket for volunteer activities. I have known of community members refusing grants while going out of pocket, and I respect them all the more for that. Some of us have spent astounding amounts of money this way. As I see it, the Chapter has committed to transparency and accountability; nothing is wrong with it having some money of its own. When you become a member of the Chapter again, maybe you can help bring about as much transparency as you'd like.
Regards, Rohini
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sunil,
Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel expenses?
And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support movement in India. Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support as per request.
As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so your reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities irrespective of criticism.
Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :)
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
*From:* Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
*To:* Wikimedia India Community list < wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at
the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel
for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com
wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are
covered
by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing
list,*
>
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to
send
> out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are
covered by
> CIS. > > Absolutely wrong information you have go*t. >
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please
correct if
wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money
is
> required > > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? > > Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always > open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the > upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. > > If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan > the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also
goes
> to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want > to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do
not
> hesitate to ask for suppo*rt. >
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which
can be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed.
So
Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. * > > *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+
Indian
> Rupees?* > > *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
experience,
> I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things
are
> not > so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years > ago).* >
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer
exact
fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as
compared to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it
might
need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of
expenses
already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter todayhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations
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Hi,
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Rohini,
*I have been on-board several Wiki mailing lists and closed emailing
groups for a few years now,*
Congrats for being 'on-board' of several Wiki-mailing lists. I do appreciate kind of energy and efforts needed to to be on-board/to join Wiki Mailing List. Hats off to you for managing this brilliantly. It must be difficult job to remain silent simultaneously on several mailing lists at same time.
*but this is the first time I have been piqued to respond to such a
'discussion'. *
I have special respect for personalities like you who make special appearance on mailing lists to protect views of friends/colleagues, that too by keeping aside neutral point of view. This is rare quality, please preserve it.
Great to know apart from putting up effort for being on(-board) mailing list - you also reply back.
*As I see it, the Chapter has committed to transparency and
accountability; nothing is wrong with it having some money of its own.
More than happy to know you also agree with me. I have already encouraged in-kind donation collection.
Most importantly - Its people like you who define mailing lists by special cameo appearance's. You expertise in maintaining silence (on several mailing lists!) and speaking up when needed are commendable.
Keep up great work!
If you wanted to only praise her, you could have sent her a private mail.
This list is getting annoying day by day. I rarely get to see some collaborative work/discussions happening. All people try to do is pull each others leg and fight, fight, fight! Sad indeed.
Dear Abhishek,
CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor has CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant. CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly suppor
This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us.
Dear Friends,
In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an annual consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But for this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on how we should structure this report or if you have any further questions about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask me.
Best wishes,
Sunil
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530 From: Sunil Abraham sunil@cis-india.org To: Wikimedia India EC wikimedia-in-exec@lists.wikimedia.org
Attn: Sudhanwa Jogalekar Karthik Nadar Anirudh Singh Bhati Nikita Belavate Pranav Curumsey Srikanth Ramakrishnan Viswa Prabha
Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC,
Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you.
CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd and 24th of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu Vardhan will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend one day training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you opt for either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have confirmed for the 22nd.
CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees.
This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild at the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it.
Best wishes,
Sunil
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Sunil,
Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel expenses?
And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support movement in India. Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support as per request.
As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so your reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities irrespective of criticism.
Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :)
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed expenses and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can be covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared to cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
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Dear Sunil,
My last mail was delivered after your reply, almost at same time. Sorry for connfusion.
*This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses* .........*It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates.
Interesting coincidence(?).
Regards, Niranjan Patel
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Sunil Abraham sunil@mahiti.org wrote:
Dear Abhishek,
CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor has CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant. CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly suppor
This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us.
Dear Friends,
In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an annual consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But for this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on how we should structure this report or if you have any further questions about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask me.
Best wishes,
Sunil
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530 From: Sunil Abraham sunil@cis-india.org To: Wikimedia India EC wikimedia-in-exec@lists.wikimedia.org
Attn: Sudhanwa Jogalekar Karthik Nadar Anirudh Singh Bhati Nikita Belavate Pranav Curumsey Srikanth Ramakrishnan Viswa Prabha
Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC,
Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you.
CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd and 24th of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu Vardhan will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend one day training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you opt for either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have confirmed for the 22nd.
CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees.
This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild at the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it.
Best wishes,
Sunil
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Sunil,
Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel expenses?
And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support movement in India. Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support
as
per request.
As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so
your
reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities irrespective of criticism.
Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :)
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
To: Wikimedia India Community list <
wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so.
If
the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's
word. I
have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter)
and just
two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being
proceed. I
would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC
members
(or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,* >
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send > out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You
are
putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are
covered
by > CIS. > > Absolutely wrong information you have go*t. >
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please
correct
if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money
is
> required > > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? > > Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always > open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the > upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. > > If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will
plan
> the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also > goes > to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you
want
> to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do
not
> hesitate to ask for suppo*rt. >
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed expenses and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can be covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind
of
activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. * > > *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ > Indian > Rupees?* > > *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my > experience, > I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. > electricity, > water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things > are > not > so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years > ago).* >
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared to cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today
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Dear All,
This is with reference to Sunils invitation to members of the Chapters EC to help train the A2K team in Bangalore. A few clarifications from us:
1. Our Secretary was in touch with Sunil before he sent the clarifications to the list. We felt since its a CIS invitation, its better Sunil clarifies the issue and not us.
2. Our relations with Sunil and CIS are much older than A2K and our relations are cordial. That the invitation came directly from Sunil was a very important factor in our decision making.
3. Srikanth did say we will disclose if and when we do ever receive CIS funding for anything. The training is yet to take place and hence nothing was disclosed.
4. The EC never requested or expected any payment of fees nor was it offered anything of that sort for this training (apart from reimbursement of costs).
5. We are holding our board meeting while we will be in Bangalore. The decision was taken for cost effectiveness and Sunil is aware of this.
6. EC was planning to hold a F2F meeting in the third week of February. We would like to restate that it is purely a coincidence that both the activities happened to be on the same dates and both of us mutually decided to take advantage of this fact.
On behalf of Wikimedia India Chapter, Karthik Nadar. (Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter)
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Sunil Abraham sunil@mahiti.org wrote:
Dear Abhishek,
CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor has CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant. CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly suppor
This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us.
Dear Friends,
In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an annual consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But for this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on how we should structure this report or if you have any further questions about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask me.
Best wishes,
Sunil
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530 From: Sunil Abraham sunil@cis-india.org To: Wikimedia India EC wikimedia-in-exec@lists.wikimedia.org
Attn: Sudhanwa Jogalekar Karthik Nadar Anirudh Singh Bhati Nikita Belavate Pranav Curumsey Srikanth Ramakrishnan Viswa Prabha
Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC,
Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you.
CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd and 24th of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu Vardhan will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend one day training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you opt for either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have confirmed for the 22nd.
CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees.
This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild at the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it.
Best wishes,
Sunil
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Sunil,
Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel expenses?
And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support movement in India. Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support
as
per request.
As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so
your
reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities irrespective of criticism.
Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :)
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
To: Wikimedia India Community list <
wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the "information" from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so.
If
the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's
word. I
have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter)
and just
two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being
proceed. I
would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC
members
(or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,* >
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send > out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You
are
putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are
covered
by > CIS. > > Absolutely wrong information you have go*t. >
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please
correct
if wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money
is
> required > > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? > > Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always > open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the > upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. > > If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will
plan
> the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also > goes > to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you
want
> to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do
not
> hesitate to ask for suppo*rt. >
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed expenses and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can be covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind
of
activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. * > > *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ > Indian > Rupees?* > > *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my > experience, > I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. > electricity, > water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things > are > not > so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years > ago).* >
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared to cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today
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Dear Karthik,
Thank you for this and for your regular updates on chapter activity, though I wish it had been unnecessary to issue this particular clarification - whether individual or institutional, working with the Wikimedia India chapter is not some kind of conspiracy - it's what all of us should be doing more of.
Dear Abhishek and others writing in the same vein,
The chapter consists of enthusiastic volunteers who are doing their best to make things work under strict financial laws, very little money, one part-time employee who is generous with his time and skills, and too little outside help. Please leave them be. Constant accusations of conspiracy are tiring - God knows we have enough of them here already - and it makes it very hard to engage this list seriously.
best, Achal
On Monday 18 February 2013 03:59 PM, Karthik Nadar wrote:
Dear All,
This is with reference to Sunils invitation to members of the Chapters EC to help train the A2K team in Bangalore. A few clarifications from us:
- Our Secretary was in touch with Sunil before he sent the
clarifications to the list. We felt since its a CIS invitation, its better Sunil clarifies the issue and not us.
- Our relations with Sunil and CIS are much older than A2K and our
relations are cordial. That the invitation came directly from Sunil was a very important factor in our decision making.
- Srikanth did say we will disclose if and when we do ever receive
CIS funding for anything. The training is yet to take place and hence nothing was disclosed.
- The EC never requested or expected any payment of fees nor was it
offered anything of that sort for this training (apart from reimbursement of costs).
- We are holding our board meeting while we will be in Bangalore. The
decision was taken for cost effectiveness and Sunil is aware of this.
- EC was planning to hold a F2F meeting in the third week of
February. We would like to restate that it is purely a coincidence that both the activities happened to be on the same dates and both of us mutually decided to take advantage of this fact.
On behalf of Wikimedia India Chapter, Karthik Nadar. (Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter)
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Sunil Abraham <sunil@mahiti.org mailto:sunil@mahiti.org> wrote:
Dear Abhishek, CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor has CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant. CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly suppor This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us. Dear Friends, In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an annual consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But for this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on how we should structure this report or if you have any further questions about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask me. Best wishes, Sunil -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530 From: Sunil Abraham <sunil@cis-india.org <mailto:sunil@cis-india.org>> To: Wikimedia India EC <wikimedia-in-exec@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimedia-in-exec@lists.wikimedia.org>> Attn: Sudhanwa Jogalekar Karthik Nadar Anirudh Singh Bhati Nikita Belavate Pranav Curumsey Srikanth Ramakrishnan Viswa Prabha Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC, Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you. CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd and 24th of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu Vardhan will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend one day training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you opt for either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have confirmed for the 22nd. CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees. This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild at the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it. Best wishes, Sunil On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com <mailto:i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel > expenses? > > And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support > movement in India. > Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support as > per request. > > As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so your > reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities > irrespective of criticism. > > > Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :) > > > > Regards, > > Abhishek Suryawanshi, > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune > > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.ramk@wikimedia.in <mailto:srik.ramk@wikimedia.in>> >>> >>> To: Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate >>> >>> Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt >>> processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so. >>> >>> As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the >>> "information" from. >>> The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If >>> the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. >>> >>> n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi >>> <i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com <mailto:i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Dear Srikanth, >>> > I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at >>> > the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I >>> > have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just >>> > two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I >>> > would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members >>> > (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with >>> > allegations such as a 'Cheat' :) >>> > >>> > P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel >>> > for Board meeting or not ? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > Abhishek Suryawanshi, >>> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan >>> > <srik.ramk@wikimedia.in <mailto:srik.ramk@wikimedia.in>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a >>> > Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The >>> > entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi >>> > was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did >>> > NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what >>> > kind of people it is dealing with. >>> > >>> > On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com <mailto:i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com>> >>> > wrote: >>> >> *@Karthik - * >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> *If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question * >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are >>> >> covered >>> >> by third party? >>> >> >>> >> *instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing >>> >> list,* >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then >>> >> please >>> >> state who is covering travel expenses? >>> >> >>> >> *which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to >>> >> send >>> >>> out clarifications. * >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out >>> >> clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are >>> >> putting up efforts to blur whole situation. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> *@Sudhanwa - * >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> *> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered >>> >> by >>> >>> CIS. >>> >>> >>> >>> Absolutely wrong information you have go*t. >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct >>> >> if >>> >> wrong. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> *> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is >>> >>> required >>> >>> > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? >>> >>> >>> >>> Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always >>> >>> open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the >>> >>> upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan >>> >>> the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also >>> >>> goes >>> >>> to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want >>> >>> to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not >>> >>> hesitate to ask for suppo*rt. >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed >>> >> expenses >>> >> and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which >>> >> can be >>> >> covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS. >>> >> >>> >> So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of >>> >> activities than running for money? specially when third parties are >>> >> interested in supporting financially? >>> >> >>> >> When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support >>> >> financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. >>> >> I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. >>> >> So >>> >> Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> *@Dhaval - * >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> *> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. * >>> >>> >>> >>> *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ >>> >>> Indian >>> >>> Rupees?* >>> >>> >>> >>> *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my >>> >>> experience, >>> >>> I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. >>> >>> electricity, >>> >>> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things >>> >>> are >>> >>> not >>> >>> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years >>> >>> ago).* >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer >>> >> exact >>> >> fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as >>> >> compared to >>> >> cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it >>> >> might >>> >> need extra efforts to run for money. >>> >> And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of >>> >> expenses >>> >> already! >>> >> >>> >> These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is >>> >> needed'. >>> >> >>> >> I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : >>> >> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan >>> Member of the Executive Committee >>> Wikimedia Chapter [India] >>> >>> Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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On Feb 13, 2013 12:08 AM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India
mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion.
India Community deserves to know answers. At one end Chapter is
criticizing CIS continuously on other hand its accepting financial help from them and I am wondering whats wrong in acknowledging it! If someone is helping then its ethical and normal to acknowledge it?
Even If and when CIS funds the Chapter then it does not mean that one cannot criticize the other.
Criticism is necessary in community, but baseless allegations a big NO.
When Srikanth says that all info about Chapter will be made public, we have to take word for it.
Its might be beginning of new era - where Chapter is focusing on outreach
and activities events and CIS taking care of financial needs.
I still quite don't understand what you mean. But I would like to say that outreach has been done even when chapter didn't exist, but since its formation it has been a lot easier at organisational layer to move things forward.
Its good to see its already started..
we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer.
Chapter should be ready to share answers.
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Abhijith Jayanthi <
abhijithsince1986@yahoo.com> wrote:
Guys,
I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India
mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion. Please continue this conversation privately, also - wanted to check on couple of points:
(1) Do we have a policy of permitted issues to be discussed over the all
India Mailing list - if not, there is a necessity to work on it.
(2) Disclosures and grievance handling procedures should be shared with
each member upon joining and the mechanism should be followed.
Again, pointing fingers or rephrasing the issue itself is not the
solution - we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer.
- abhijith
From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt
processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the
"information" from.
The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If
the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi <
i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at
the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel
for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com
wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are
covered
by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing
list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to
send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are
covered by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct
if
wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required
for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also
goes
to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which
can be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed.
So
Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+
Indian
Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
experience,
I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things
are
not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer
exact
fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as
compared to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it
might
need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of
expenses
already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
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Hi All,
First, I am not a chapter member. As a member of mailing list I have few suggestions to resolve issue.
1. Authorized person can publish ,"Activity list", "Expense list", "Financial supporters list" & "Maintenance expenditure list" on chapter site & share the link (Yes, specific link for report. Not just "is on site" statement) on this mail chain. (I wonder why this simple solution is not considered yet!)
2. People should stop making climes in chapter's name & stop all kind of fights till above lists are given by chapter.
3. Chapter should workout on financial transparency (I mean how public can verify it) to avoid such issue in future.
4. Keep in mind that finance is a critical issue & people may get negative message through bad fights like this.
Thanks, Tejas jain
2013/2/13 Arnav Sonara sonara.arnav@gmail.com
On Feb 13, 2013 12:08 AM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India
mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion.
India Community deserves to know answers. At one end Chapter is
criticizing CIS continuously on other hand its accepting financial help from them and I am wondering whats wrong in acknowledging it! If someone is helping then its ethical and normal to acknowledge it?
Even If and when CIS funds the Chapter then it does not mean that one cannot criticize the other.
Criticism is necessary in community, but baseless allegations a big NO.
When Srikanth says that all info about Chapter will be made public, we have to take word for it.
Its might be beginning of new era - where Chapter is focusing on
outreach and activities events and CIS taking care of financial needs.
I still quite don't understand what you mean. But I would like to say that outreach has been done even when chapter didn't exist, but since its formation it has been a lot easier at organisational layer to move things forward.
Its good to see its already started..
we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer.
Chapter should be ready to share answers.
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Abhijith Jayanthi <
abhijithsince1986@yahoo.com> wrote:
Guys,
I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India
mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion. Please continue this conversation privately, also - wanted to check on couple of points:
(1) Do we have a policy of permitted issues to be discussed over the
all India Mailing list - if not, there is a necessity to work on it.
(2) Disclosures and grievance handling procedures should be shared with
each member upon joining and the mechanism should be followed.
Again, pointing fingers or rephrasing the issue itself is not the
solution - we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer.
- abhijith
From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
To: Wikimedia India Community list <
wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt
processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the
"information" from.
The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so.
If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi <
i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at
the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel
for Board meeting or not ?
Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with.
On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com
wrote:
*@Karthik - *
*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *
Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are
covered
by third party?
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing
list,*
Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
state who is covering travel expenses?
*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to
send
out clarifications. *
Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
*@Sudhanwa - *
*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are
covered by
CIS.
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please
correct if
wrong.
*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money
is
required > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also
goes
to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do
not
hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which
can be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially?
When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed.
So
Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
*@Dhaval - *
*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+
Indian
Rupees?*
*I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
experience,
I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things
are
not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer
exact
fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as
compared to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it
might
need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of
expenses
already!
These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'.
I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
-- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India]
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I am also not a Chapter member, but for some reason, I am not particularly perturbed about reports, activities and so on. I think Tejas' suggestions are excellent, and made in the positive spirit of building a sense of community amongst Wikimedians in India, be they chapter, foundation, user, contributor, coder and who knows what other plethora of categories of Wikimedians I haven't listed.
I sensed a feeling of exclusion being expressed in the flurry of mails following the announcement of staff appointments. It seemed that, whether explicitly or not, some people find the idea of 'outsiders' being appointed for Wikimedia tasks somewhat disconcerting. As can be expected, some express their discomfort quite coherently, while others are either less explicit or more tangential.
It's really not much different from the greeting that Indians get when they immigrate into some foreign country – resentment, discomfort, etc. Our new community members have just arrived with a lot more publicity and spotlight than the average, who typically gets no more than a 'hi, newbie' greeting on making a first edit, and for all I know not even that on making a first code contribution.
To me, what this event signifies is a new phase of Wikimedia in India, when innovative and perhaps revolutionary new ideas on: how Wikipedia will look (sound, feel), how content will be added, what content will be added, how new media archives will be created, edited, updated etc etc; will all find expression as well as the wherewithal (that's a big word for 'cold cash') to happen.
As I posted the other day, it was an eye-opener to me to find I could organise a project to work with some current digital or quasi-digital archive organiser, get the content digitised, categorised and made available through Wikipedia, and have the work done through enthusiastic young volunteers who can actually use that project as a university submission as well as get some money to compensate for their ope, not to mention some hardware or whatever is dedicated to the project. I hope that I can start the ball rolling soon with some likely collaborators, then announce the project through the Web and on lists like this, tie up with volunteers, and execute this summer, under the guidance of experts who understand the details.
And I hope that in other places, more people will start acting in this direction as well.
And more than that, I hope that other people will start conceptualising other innovations, that might have remained dreams had this window not been open. I don't claim any monopoly on either ideas or of implementing them. Wikipedia is growing in new and exciting ways, and it looks to me like we all have a chance to be part of driving that change. Simply.
This does not mean that we are forced to be part of every aspect of that change, either. It is up to each of us to be what we can be. I have seen a lot of organisations, but hardly any have been smart enough to let people do what they do best. That's much more worth applauding than looking for faults in the process or in the ways that people express themselves – which also has its place, when it is meant constructively.
Dear Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer,
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer rednosedrudy@hotmail.com wrote:
Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think?
We have been publishing the monthly bulletin since the beginning of the grant period. On most months Noopur has fwded the bulletin to this mailing list. See: 1. September 2012: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2012-October/008763.ht... 2. October 2012: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2012-November/008826.h... -> We made a mistake and did not make a mention of the size of the grant in this edition. 3. November 2012: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2012-December/008977.h... 4. We seem to have missed out on distributing the December bulletin to this mailing list. 5. January 2013: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-February/009249.h...
We will continue to publish the bulletin on a monthly basis. Do tell us how we can improve the format and content of this newsletter.
Best wishes,
Sunil
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