Just to  inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a
Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The
entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi
was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did
NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what
kind of people it is dealing with.

On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:

> *@Karthik - *
>
>
> *If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *

>
>
> Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered
> by third party?
>

>  *instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*

>>
>
> Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please
> state who is covering travel expenses?
>

> *which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send
>> out clarifications.  *

>
>
> Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out
> clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are
> putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
>
>

> *@Sudhanwa - *
>
>
> *> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
>> CIS.
>>
>> Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.

>>
>
> AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if
> wrong.
>
>

> *> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is

>> required
>> > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
>>
>> Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always
>> open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the
>> upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
>>
>> If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan
>> the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes
>> to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want
>> to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not

>> hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.

>>
>
> It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed expenses
> and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can be
> covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.
>
> So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of
> activities than running for money? specially when third parties are
> interested in supporting financially?
>
> When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support
> financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?.
> I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So
> Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
>
>
>

> *@Dhaval - *
>
>
> *> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
>>
>> *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian
>> Rupees?*
>>
>> *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience,

>> I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity,
>> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are
>> not
>> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years

>> ago).*

>>
>
> That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact
> fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared to
> cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might
> need extra efforts to run for money.
> And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses
> already!
>
> These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is
> needed'.
>
> I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see :
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-February/009257.html
>
>

>> *> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
>> required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? *
>> * *
>>
>> *I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter

>> website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants
>> page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that
>> chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you
>> think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many
>> grant
>> requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be
>> requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a
>> figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount
>> is

>> used?*
>> * *
>>
>> *This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte*
>> r.
>>
>
> *This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte*r.

> - I am talking about other 'fixed' expenses for possible activities which
> can be zeroed down. Again refer above 'in-kind' link on how to zero it
> down.
>
>

> *> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by

>> CIS.
>> >
>> I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their

>> finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on thi*s.

>>
>
> Your thoughts/assumption is correct, on which part you want elaboration?
> And its Board Meeting flight tickets expenses.
>
>

> *@Srikanth : *
>
>
> *Substantiate your claim that CIS
>> is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBER*S,

>>
>
> Read above replies and following link.
>
>
>
>
> -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> Member No: INDI-31, Wikimedia India Chapter,
> http://members.wikimedia.in/User:AbhiSuryawanshi
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:
>
>> Abhishek,  where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary
>> stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS
>> is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS,
>> and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a
>> society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government
>> departments.
>>
>> On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I meant Board Meeting.  Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
>> >
>> > Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct
>> > me
>> > if I am wrong???
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
>> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsvyas@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" <
>> >> i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
>> >> >
>> >> > 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
>> >>
>> >> And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian
>> >> Rupees?
>> >>
>> >> I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
>> >> experience,
>> I
>> >> know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
>> >> electricity,
>> >> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are
>> >> not
>> >> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years
>> ago).
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered
>> >> > by
>> >> CIS.
>> >> >
>> >> I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their
>> >> finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
>> >>
>> >> > I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
>> >> required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
>> >>
>> >> I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter
>> >> website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to
>> >> Grants
>> >> page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that
>> >> chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do
>> >> you
>> >> think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many
>> >> grant
>> >> requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be
>> >> requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a
>> >> figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that
>> >> amount
>> >> is
>> >> used?
>> >>
>> >> This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of
>> chapter.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make
>> >> > sure
>> >> India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
>> >> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Dhaval
>> >> (on my own behalf)
>> >>
>> >> Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have
>> no
>> >> financial inrerest with either of them personally.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
>> >> rednosedrudy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin
>> >> >> to
>> >> come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave
>> people
>> >> like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit
>> >> deliberately
>> >> done, don't you think?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
>> >> tremendous amount to you guys.
>> >> >> Will spread the word on donations though.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For others, please donate (liberally);
>> >> >> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ________________________________
>> >> >> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530
>> >> >> From: srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
>> >> >> To: nawabhakimdr@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim,
>> >> >> to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant
>> to
>> >> the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation
>> >> working
>> >> out of Delhi.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
>> >> India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity
>> >> comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I hope this clears it out.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
>> >> nawabhakimdr@ymail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh
>> >> >>> ruppes.
>> >> this is cheating.
>> >> >>>
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>> >> >>
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>> >> >> Member of the Executive Committee
>> >> >> Wikimedia Chapter [India]
>> >> >>
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